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Thread: Naruto vs Hashirama

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    Naruto vs Hashirama



    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned


    Naruto is currently amongst the most powerful and deadly shinobi on the planet and is the current Jinchuuriki of the Nine-Tails, having fully tamed its chakra, achieving what has been called “Rikudou Mode”. He has also taken Rasengan to a level that its creator, Namikaze Minato, could only dream of by creating the monstrous Fuuton Rasenshuriken. Additionally he has mastered the ancient arts of Sage Mode and is able to greatly enhance his body and abilities with it. Naruto is known for being highly unpredictable in battle and a cunning fighter, and is a master of the Kage Bunshin technique, which is also his favorite technique in battle.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned


    Most notably known for his unique Mokuton (wood release) Kekkei Genkai ability, Senju Hashirama was not just a one trick pony. Along with being able to tame and control bijuu, he was extremely adept at using scrolls and even Genjutsu. His Bringer of darkness genjutsu would envelop his opponents in darkness and prevent them from seeing any attack.
    this keeps the others ones nicely aligned


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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    i go with naruto his speed and power should be more then enough against shodai. plus he can use the frs to destroy any wood attack

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Naruto gets this one. He's just too much of a beast. The mokuton wouldn't be useful against him when he's in RM. With he's speed, he'll blitz the Shodaime and rasengan him before he can make the seals for the mokuton. The only way, he can have an edge is through the Bringer of Darkness genjutsu, but Naruto can summon Maa and Paa to restore his chakra flow. Moreover, RM allows him to sense hostility, so he can pretty much sense Shodaime even if he's sight is impaired. He can also easily sense Shodaime's chakra in SM even through the Bringer of Darkness Genjutsu. There's no way that he won't win this. Naruto FTW!

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Naruto wins. Hashirama never fought against a jinchuuriki as far as we know, and Yamato used his power on either still Kyuubi Naruto or Naruto going into Kyuubi mode without losing it yet, which means Naruto didn't try to outspeed Yamato's Mokuton. Even if Hashirama did see Kyuubi jinchuuriki, has he ever seen a Kyuubi jinchuuriki with Kyuubi's power minus the will? He could think Rikudou Mode is like a weird cloak or armor, like Raikage's cloak; he has no info on Naruto whatsoever.

    Even if Naruto didn't use Rikudou Mode, he has base mode and Sage Mode to help him. Hashirama is probably fast, but Naruto in SM or RM is pretty fast and even stronger. If Hashirama manages to capture him in a cage or with Mokuton binding, Naruto can just use his strength to break out or enter Sage Mode to do so. The only problem here would be Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness genjutsu, though.

    Suiton and doton shouldn't really be dangerous for Naruto, but the doton part really depends on Hashirama's mastery of it.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Naruto's RS Mode influence on Mokuton would probably do more harm then good for him. Since the positive energy seems to amplify the growth of trees. He would only be strengthening Hashirama's Mokuton jutsu. Not to mention that Hashirama could possibly "suppress" the Kyuub's chakra that Naruto is using in his RS Mode. The Perfect Jinchuuriki Bee lost the argument of Hashirama not being able to somehow "control" or "influence" the Hachibi. So that very same argument only grows stronger against Naruto. Plus there still the lingering problem of Gen-jutsu for Naruto. And the fact that presumably Hashirama "won" a fight against Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o. I'm going to exclude the Kyuubi because Mito was involved with that. Regardless of what Madara's true intentions were he had to have been fairly serious in that fight. Thus as far as jutsu usage goes i have no doubt Hashirama faced the full EMS barrage. The legend of Hashirama is just too great at this point, and Naruto hasn't developed far enough to win. At least in my mind. But obviously Naruto wins. lolz

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Naruto's RS Mode influence on Mokuton would probably do more harm then good for him. Since the positive energy seems to amplify the growth of trees. He would only be strengthening Hashirama's Mokuton jutsu. Not to mention that Hashirama could possibly "suppress" the Kyuub's chakra that Naruto is using in his RS Mode. The Perfect Jinchuuriki Bee lost the argument of Hashirama not being able to somehow "control" or "influence" the Hachibi. So that very same argument only grows stronger against Naruto. Plus there still the lingering problem of Gen-jutsu for Naruto. And the fact that presumably Hashirama "won" a fight against Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o. I'm going to exclude the Kyuubi because Mito was involved with that. Regardless of what Madara's true intentions were he had to have been fairly serious in that fight. Thus as far as jutsu usage goes i have no doubt Hashirama faced the full EMS barrage. The legend of Hashirama is just too great at this point, and Naruto hasn't developed far enough to win. At least in my mind. But obviously Naruto wins. lolz
    Considering that MS eyes got diferent techs there is no indication Madara had those 3 MS techs you just listed. For all we know Madara had some techs that Hashirama had perfect counters to.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Considering that MS eyes got diferent techs there is no indication Madara had those 3 MS techs you just listed. For all we know Madara had some techs that Hashirama had perfect counters to.
    Wait what now?

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    We know who is going to win.

    However it may not be as easy... if Naruto gets in Kyuubi mode may be his 'empowering the nature effect' may take a toll on him, Hashirama will summon a tree and before everybody knows the thing will be so enormous he'll just command it to fall on Naruto and win the fight. Even if Naruto manages to hit through it (avoiding it will be ridiculous) chances are the tree will only grow more OR around him, until eventually he's either squashed from the pressure or sealed... (this is a joke)

    Naruto will win. 0 chances on Hashirama. May be my dream to see a 100% will happen in here... you know, Naruto is just adequately strong for anybody to know he'll undoubtedly pawn Hashirama but, at the same time, Hashirama is powerful enough to assume there are other heavy mass of votes going for him. So pity votes have the risk of Naruto losing.... it'll never happen, right?.
    Last edited by Sevenheadedmirror; July 12, 2011 at 03:01 PM.
    To in infer something and pose it as implied in the source is to justify something.
    The justification that an arc or a story sucks because the author is as tired as us from it can't apply since it's the author's fault it sucks to begin with.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Wait what now?
    That was not clear enough? Itachi and Sasuke got Amaterasu and tsukiyomi as MS techs and Kakashi has Kamui. Diferent people got diferent techs. Itachi and Sasuke are brothers so they have the same techs. We have no idea what MS techs Madara had back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    That was not clear enough? Itachi and Sasuke got Amaterasu and tsukiyomi as MS techs and Kakashi has Kamui. Diferent people got diferent techs. Itachi and Sasuke are brothers so they have the same techs. We have no idea what MS techs Madara had back then.
    Now you are just making stuff up. No where in the manga was it ever stated or implied that MS users all posses different techniques. Kakashi is obviously a special case from how he got his MS to its ability. But none of that applies to any other MS user that we know of. Double Mangekyou = Susano'o. And the Double Mangekyou is comprised of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Like i already said, stop making stuff up. Hashirama faced off against those jutsu.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Hashirama wins by suppressing the Kyuubi's chakra and pwning Naruto with Genjutsu and Mokuton. Sage Mode is nice and all, but I can't see him lasting long enough while within Hashirama's genjutsu to actually win.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    IMO Naruto wins this: Mokuton should be able to catch even RS mode Naruto and overpower his Kyuubi chakra like he did against Madara when he wrestled control over him.

    However, sage mode, is more than enough to defeat Hashirama: the strength of the rasengan, Ma and Pa's fuuton jutsu and the sensing ability that counters the darkness genjutsu should be enough to give Naruto an advantage and the win.

    If it comes to that, Ma and Pa use the frog song for the winl.
    Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; July 12, 2011 at 03:54 PM.
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    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
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    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Now you are just making stuff up. No where in the manga was it ever stated or implied that MS users all posses different techniques. Kakashi is obviously a special case from how he got his MS to its ability. But none of that applies to any other MS user that we know of. Double Mangekyou = Susano'o. And the Double Mangekyou is comprised of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Like i already said, stop making stuff up. Hashirama faced off against those jutsu.
    Kakashi is not a special case lol. Also the fact that Susano can be acquired when you have 2 eyes also means nothing. You can have any 2 diferent techs and Susano as ultimate.
    Sasuke makes it clear here that its not something special but a ability from MS:
    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/484/7
    How exacly are you going to prove Kakashi is a special case? Kakashi is the only other Uchiha with MS(that we got to see in action) aside from the brothers.
    Manga defenetly points diferently then what you state.
    Last edited by xXan; July 12, 2011 at 04:11 PM.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Now you are just making stuff up. No where in the manga was it ever stated or implied that MS users all posses different techniques. Kakashi is obviously a special case from how he got his MS to its ability. But none of that applies to any other MS user that we know of. Double Mangekyou = Susano'o. And the Double Mangekyou is comprised of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Like i already said, stop making stuff up. Hashirama faced off against those jutsu.
    Danzo said, "Amaterasu, it's been a while seen I've seen that. You are indeed Itachi's brother." That indicates that not everyone gets the same abilities, and Sasuke having the same abilities just means he is similar to Itachi seeing as they are brothers.

    Kamui and whatever ability Madara has are more different abilities. But like you said Susano'o might be common among all the MS users.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    According to the databook, Susano'o is only obtainable when you can do both Tsukuyumi and Amaterasu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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