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Thread: Naruto vs Hashirama

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    According to the databook, Susano'o is only obtainable when you can do both Tsukuyumi and Amaterasu.
    Then perhaps he was refering to those born with Ama and Tsuk. Perhaps there are more variations of MS some with Ama and MS and some with ST tecks and some with other unknown.
    The only thing we know for sure is that we have a MS user with a diferent tech then those 2.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Deepak5191 View Post
    Danzo said, "Amaterasu, it's been a while seen I've seen that. You are indeed Itachi's brother." That indicates that not everyone gets the same abilities, and Sasuke having the same abilities just means he is similar to Itachi seeing as they are brothers.

    Kamui and whatever ability Madara has are more different abilities. But like you said Susano'o might be common among all the MS users.
    And from what other place would Danzo have seen Amaterasu from? Only five people have ever possess the MS, four of them had the double MS and were full blooded Uchiha. Madara and Izuna were around before Danzo's time. Which only leaves Itachi. I can't believe that people are actually entertaining the idea the Madara didn't possess Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. lol.....

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Truth to be told, the bringer of darkness genjutsu instantly destroys Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, leaving Susano'o as a respectable defense.
    Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; July 12, 2011 at 04:27 PM.
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    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
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    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    Truth to be told, the bringer of darkness genjutsu instantly destroys Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, leaving Susano'o as a respectable defense.
    Umm how would a genjutsu destroy Amatersu and Tsukuyomi? With the Sharigan any MS user would just see through them lol.

    Anyway, BoD Genjutsu won't affect Naruto in Sage Mode too much because it only affects eyesight if I'm not mistaken. Given that it doesn't distort reality and his other senses like some of Itachi or Sasuke's genjutsu, nor does it paralyse I'd think Naruto's ability to sense things in Sage Mode would allow him to counter it somewhat.
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Lets keep one thing in mind: Hashirama has beaten Killer Bee and killed Orochimaru simply by using Mokuton... I have no clue how he did it but damn... he must be realy good!
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    And from what other place would Danzo have seen Amaterasu from? Only five people have ever possess the MS, four of them had the double MS and were full blooded Uchiha. Madara and Izuna were around before Danzo's time. Which only leaves Itachi. I can't believe that people are actually entertaining the idea the Madara didn't possess Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. lol.....
    Then explain Kamui and the fact that Kakashi does not have any of the other 2 Ama or Tsuk and don't give me that "he is special excuse..."

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    And from what other place would Danzo have seen Amaterasu from? Only five people have ever possess the MS, four of them had the double MS and were full blooded Uchiha. Madara and Izuna were around before Danzo's time. Which only leaves Itachi. I can't believe that people are actually entertaining the idea the Madara didn't possess Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. lol.....
    Actually MS isn't that unique. Itachi said that many Uchiha killed their friends for the MS. It's only the EMS thats exceedingly rare. Danzo was obsessed with the Uchiha clan, he could have had a lot of them under surveillance. It's not surprising that he knows a lot about the MS techniques.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Umm how would a genjutsu destroy Amatersu and Tsukuyomi? With the Sharigan any MS user would just see through them lol.

    Anyway, BoD Genjutsu won't affect Naruto in Sage Mode too much because it only affects eyesight if I'm not mistaken. Given that it doesn't distort reality and his other senses like some of Itachi or Sasuke's genjutsu, nor does it paralyse I'd think Naruto's ability to sense things in Sage Mode would allow him to counter it somewhat.
    If the BoD blocks eyesight it probably blocks chakra vision as well (IMO)

    Anyways it's irrelevent against Naruto, thanks to Sage Mode chakra sensing.
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    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
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    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Umm how would a genjutsu destroy Amatersu and Tsukuyomi? With the Sharigan any MS user would just see through them lol.

    Anyway, BoD Genjutsu won't affect Naruto in Sage Mode too much because it only affects eyesight if I'm not mistaken. Given that it doesn't distort reality and his other senses like some of Itachi or Sasuke's genjutsu, nor does it paralyse I'd think Naruto's ability to sense things in Sage Mode would allow him to counter it somewhat.
    The Sharingan isn't a free pass against genjutsu. If it was Itachi and Sasuke wouldn't have wasted the first 2 chapters of their fight in a genjutsu. Itachi reversing Kurenai's genjutsu isn't a normal sharingan ability, its his own skill. An Uchiha might be able to tell that they themselves are in a genjutsu by looking at their own chakra but they without enough skill, there is nothing they can do against high end genjutsu's like BoD.

    Not being able to see means not being able to use Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. Susano'o might save your life against the following attack but it is expensive and wont last forever. I'm sure someone with Itachi's calibre in Genjutsu might be able to do something about it but not every Uchiha can.

    Either way it's irrelevant since RM Naruto doesn't need eyes anymore.
    Last edited by Deepak5191; July 12, 2011 at 04:50 PM.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    I can understand that people think or may not think that kakashi's MS is different due to him not being an uchiha. But if you re-read most of the stuff that's come across about his eye, it seems pretty normal. I mean why would his eye change being in a different body. Danzo's eye retained it's original chakra, and techniques, meaning it was still the same as when shisui had it. so why would kakashi's eye change...

    From the beginning his eye has been developing normally. Being able to see chakra flow, track fast movement, copy, predict movements and even cast genjutsu. All standard and pretty normal and standard sharingan stuff right? and suddenly when he gains MS, his eye is different...? That's sound to weird for me. I'm confident when i say that i believe that obito would have had the same jutsu as what kakashi has now.

    I would seem that uchiha just get different techniques, and that sasuke and itachi are the special case in terms of having the same MS jutsu. Perhaps them being brothers, or the fact that itachi's jutsu were passed on after that tap to the forehead, are the reason that they have the same technique.
    Going with that, madara might have/had different MS techniques.

    Anywho, naruto takes this.
    There is the slight chance that shodai could make quick work out of naruti's rikodu mode. But I assume he'd have to catch naruto first with it. Seeing the speed monster that he is, I find that highly unlikely. Also naruto can defend himself from all sides in this mode using his multiple rasengans. He has a mini rasenshuuriken as well now, so a jutsu that small might catch shodai of guard. Also, naruto has his bijuu bomb.

    Without rikodu mode, naruto still has his sage mode, which still makes him a speed monster, and a lot faster than shodai, sporting the frog summons the crush a possible forest. And ofcourse he can bust out his huge rasengans and ma and pa. Bod jutsu will never affect naruto seeing his sensing abillities. Not to mention ma and pa can bust him out in the worst case scenario.
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    If the BoD blocks eyesight it probably blocks chakra vision as well (IMO)

    Anyways it's irrelevent against Naruto, thanks to Sage Mode chakra sensing.
    Rikudou Mode would also help him as well. Because of its good sensing ability, Naruto would know where the killing intent is coming from and dodge it.

    Plus, BoD isn't a free pass to victory. Sandaime Hokage was able to defend against Shodaime and Niidaime Hokage and even capture them when blind. Naruto can just sense where Shodaime Hokage is and defend his blows.


    Plus, how can Shodaime mess with Kyuubi's chakra when he wouldn't know Naruto is a jinchuuriki? Yamato probably restricted Naruto's Kyuubi chakra because of Kyuubi's will, but there's no Kyuubi will, it wouldn't be as apparent. Shodaime wouldn't also know that Naruto's a jinchuuriki as Shodaime died eons before Naruto was born.
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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    WTH! Why is Hashirama still in this tournament. He should have been got out.

    Naruto takes this without a doubt. I will be so sad if Hashirama ends up beating Naruto too

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Rikudou Mode would also help him as well. Because of its good sensing ability, Naruto would know where the killing intent is coming from and dodge it.

    Plus, BoD isn't a free pass to victory. Sandaime Hokage was able to defend against Shodaime and Niidaime Hokage and even capture them when blind. Naruto can just sense where Shodaime Hokage is and defend his blows.


    Plus, how can Shodaime mess with Kyuubi's chakra when he wouldn't know Naruto is a jinchuuriki? Yamato probably restricted Naruto's Kyuubi chakra because of Kyuubi's will, but there's no Kyuubi will, it wouldn't be as apparent. Shodaime wouldn't also know that Naruto's a jinchuuriki as Shodaime died eons before Naruto was born.
    Could be that when or if shodai's wood reacts to naruto's chakra like yamato's has, he'll get a clue. If the bijuu bomb comes into play, it should become clear for him. But you are right, naruto should've have already finished this before shodai even gets a clue what the rikodu cloak is all about.

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    Naruto wins this with Sage mode. The Kyuubi wouldnt work against the 1st. But I think Naruto could finish him off with an FRS in Sage mode. Also of course he'll use kage bunshin as distractions/decoys

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    Re: Naruto vs Hashirama

    I have a question I need someone to answer before I make my choice.

    Naruto is an imperfect jinchuuriki, having control over his tailed beasts chakra, but not the tailed beast itself. Since this is the case can the First Hokage control the bijuu in Naruto and maybe Naruto himself (only to some extent not fully of course), at the very least being able to dissipate the kyuubi chakra like Yamato would do when Naruto lost control and transformed?

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