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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
itachi said he run out of chakra but we know it's not true,when he fought sasuke he used tsukuyomi,more than an amaterasu,susanoo and other techniques.face it.
Even without the body's exhaustion Kakashi wouldn't use Kamui right away unless he has a very good reason to do so like Deidara's out of range with something of capital value in his hands => Gaara, or a threat like Madara who, for now, can't be affected by any other type of jutsu : using a Mangekyou Sharigan power would make his Sharingan closer to blindness. He is using a gun which can't be reloaded.
@mattiaildivino and bhasty : be more friendly in your discussion, thanks.
Would Kakashi have to worry about blindness? He's had his MS longer then Sasuke and have used it about as many times, yet as far as we know, he's nowhere near going blind. Then again, that issue hasn't really been brought up concerning him.
Last edited by Rikudou King; July 15, 2011 at 04:43 PM.
Both fighters r top notch but Kakashi matches up really well against Jiraiya. I don't think he would use kamui at the start but he will be very careful against Jiraiya. Who knows he may use a lightning clone to get up close against Jiraiya stun him then come out the ground ready for a kamui. Kakashi always tries to stay 2-3 steps ahead of his opponent and his performance in part 2 has been hindered bc of the plot. Naruto had to kill Kakuzo and be the first one to defeat deva pain. Sasuke was off limits and Hidan was for shikamaru. Saying all this each has advantages over the other and i don't think one will jus steamroll the other. It will be a fight down to the wire imo.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-262-9/...apter-257.html . after volume 31 he was about to use the hypnotic sharingan against kakuzu,but naruto saved them so he didn't use it. in volume 43 he activated it but didn't use it http://www.mangareader.net/93-401-12...apter-396.html . after that he used it 2 times against pain http://www.mangareader.net/93-429-17...apter-424.html and one against sasuke's susanoo.then he used it at least 5 times,but sasuke used tsukuyomi and amaterasu against bee,and the enton to manipulate amaterasu,against A,gaara and the other kages he used it and susanoo,which weaken the MS a lot.not to say how he misused it against danzo,and against kakashi.
I'm confused, I dont remember Kakashi being "Impressive" against Pain. He eliminated 1 which was simply sacrificing itself to save the more important one. Jiraiya was "Impressive" against Pain. If I'm remembering correctly Kakashi never was able to land a blow or jutsu on Deva Pain. In fact Deva kinda made Kakashi look like Iruka! (i'll probably take flak for that statement, but IMHO) Even with all the intel at his disposal Kakashi never stood a chance.
Though guys are right comparing Jiraiya vs Pain to Kakashi vs Pain is like apples to oranges, but i dont see Kakashi living long enough to aquire the intel Jiraiya gathered. Mainly because I dont see Kakashi making it past the summoning Pain.
As for Kamui being a deciding factor, yes Kakashi can warp things sort of fast, but against a moving targets he's not so impressive, he could only manage to warp Deidara's arm, a huge fireball, a nail, and a missile, he's never been able to warp an entire person, and not for lack of effort, he just flat out couldnt do it.
Itachi also said before, in the same day, that no one but an Uchiha with the same blood as him can beat him.
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He also warped a giant arrow, in the blink of a eye. Kakashi vs Pain was impressive. He figured out Deva's ability on his own and could of possibly took him out if he used Kamui when he had the advantage.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 15, 2011 at 05:34 PM.
Personally, I don't see why Kakashi would have trouble with Animal Path. If he could take on Deva and Asura Path, Animal Path along shouldn't have been any major trouble. And Kakashi doesn't have to warp an entire person. All he has to do is warp Jiraiya's head or arm, and he wins by default.
Manga showed us that Orochimaru > Jiraiya, And Itachi > Orochimaru, which means Itachi > Jiraiya. The first two is what the manga showed us, but you'll refuse to accept it. Look at the circumstances, not just the statements. Kakashi was able to take on two Pain bodies without Sage Mode, Jiraiya needed Sage MOde to take on one body, which would mean Kakashi is better than Jiraiya. Kakashi got owned by Itachi in their first battle, which means Itachi is better than kakashi. So, we can assume Itachi is better than Jiraiya. Another manga proof that Itachi can beat Jiraiya, but you'll refuse to accept it.
Though against six bodies, JIraiya would stand better chance than Kakashi.
Jiraiya was able to fight Animal Realm because it hid and summoned big animals that one of JIraiya's summons could defend while he entered Sage Mode. After that Ma sniffed out and captured the chameleon. Kakashi could sniff out the chameleon too, though he may not be able to take it out like Ma did, if the Sharingan doesn't help him detect the chameleon. Ma and Pa helped JIraiya get info, like the shared vision and helped him take out three bodies. To credit only jiraiya would be to overplay him while downplaying Ma and Pa.Quote:
Who said he couldn't? Kakashi stated he could have warped Asura but didn't have enough chakra at the time to do so.
And Kakashi would have trouble against summoning Pain because he has no summons that can counter it, if Jiraiyas frog summon got pwned what can Kakashi's dogs do. What can Kakashi do against some who can summon countless beast that are almost indestructible, I'm sure the Rinnegan dog summon that divides itself when attacked would baffle Kakashi. Not to mention if Kakashi should by some freakish reason gain the upper hand the summoning Pain can just summon the other 5 Paths.
Want facts I suggest you go back and read the manga, Kakashi never landed a punch, kick, or Jutsu on Deva Pain in my book that gettin PWNED not almost winning.
Kakashi didn't get pwned by Deva Pain. That would be like saying Jiraiya was about to kill Itachi, but Sasuke got in the way and Itachi beat Jiraiya, so Jiraiya got pwned by Itachi for never hitting him. Kakashi wasn't only fighting Pain's strongest body (Deva Pain), he fought Asura Pain too. It was team effort that stopped Deva Pain being one-shotted by Kakashi and his team. While Kakashi didn't take Deva and Asura on his own, he most definitely had an opportunity to do so here if he used this attack on Deva Pain.
Last edited by En Yang Ji; July 15, 2011 at 07:13 PM.
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