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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Comes down to Kamui. Kakashi has gotten very very good at using it and Jiraiya would never expect it so I have to go with Kakashi. Seeing how well he used it versus Sasuke, Kakashi wins by bringing out Kamui early when he understands he can't hope to beat Jiraiya any other way. He has no reason not to go all out as Jiraiya is his only opponent and for once he doesn't have to protect his comrades.
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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Well Kamui was both his first and second jutsu that he used against Deidara. And he did use it after like 2 minutes of fighting Sasuke. And he was going to use it right off of the bat against Madara.
    Not only what zero said, but since the characters are aware of some knowledge, ie Kakashi would know Jiraiya was one of the three sannin, and how widely acknowledged that title is, he would deal with Jiraiya as quickly and efficiently as possible, I'm sure.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Well Kamui was both his first and second jutsu that he used against Deidara. And he did use it after like 2 minutes of fighting Sasuke. And he was going to use it right off of the bat against Madara.
    You mean after realising there was no other way and giving up on it?... yes, that didn't take several prior intents of Naruto. Damn! man you trying to look at the loopholes XD
    To in infer something and pose it as implied in the source is to justify something.
    The justification that an arc or a story sucks because the author is as tired as us from it can't apply since it's the author's fault it sucks to begin with.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenheadedmirror View Post
    Please, Kamui needs tons of concentration. Besides People seem to underestimate what actually happens if Kakashi overuses it... dead, you remember? Not many techniques make the copy ninja pant after one use but Kamui had a visible effect on him when he blocked Sasuke's arrow. Chances are he won't use it early on and by the time Sannin is complete Kakashi won't be able to do anything. Not a thing. Besides, let's say he realizes (which will completely be against the rules) in how much of a disadvantage he is against Jiraya and he needs to use Kamui early to defeat him. He uses it, if Kakashi fucks up, which are good chances for Jiraya's dexterity and the demand of high concentration from the technique, he'll be done for. EVEN if he takes... let's say... an arm, Jiraya single handedly (pun intended) fought against the six bodies of Pein in that same way... while Kakashi was pawned by one (two but he had reinforcements by then).
    He doesn't necessarily need tons of concentration. Notice how against Sasuke, when he used Kamui without preparation he was staggering, but against Deidara when he concentrated, he was still able to run. I think like Itachi, Kakashi concentrates in order to use exact amount of chakra so he doesn't waste chakra. If Jiraiya doesn't give him time to prepare using Kamui, then it would take a toll much quicker, but until then I doubt Kakashi will feel the effects like he did against Sasuke.

    Jiraiya fought against three, he needed to go into Sage Mode for one body. When the rest of Pain appeared, Jiraiya didn't fight them, he hid and then sneaked up close to get a closer look at the bodies. Kakashi never used Kamui against the two bodies until the end when he was trapped, and even then it took chakra exhaustion to kill him.

    In terms of elemental advantage, ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu, Kakashi is superior. In terms of stamina and strength, Jiraiya is superior. Plus, Kakashi was able to get a surprise in on Pain on his own using kage bunshin, Jiraiya needed Pa and Ma.

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Well Kamui was both his first and second jutsu that he used against Deidara. And he did use it after like 2 minutes of fighting Sasuke. And he was going to use it right off of the bat against Madara.
    He probably had no other long-range attacks and he needed to use Kamui as defense from Sasuke's arrow speedblitz. Against Tobi, Kakashi was in a good position to take him out but Tobi already knew about Kamui and could have avoided it.

    Against Hidan, Kakuzu, and Pain, he was saving Kamui for last when he needed it, especially since the intel said Hidan was immortal and Pain had six bodies who could use different powers. According to Zabuza, Kakashi goes all out when he needs to otherwise he avoids showing opponents his jutsu, but that was back in Part I.

    Plus, would JIraiya have good defense against Kakashi's genjutsu? Kakashi's pretty good with Sharingan and genjutsu, he could put Jiraiya in hypnosis. But, it's Jiraiya so he would probably know that.
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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    He probably had no other long-range attacks and he needed to use Kamui as defense from Sasuke's arrow speedblitz. Against Tobi, Kakashi was in a good position to take him out but Tobi already knew about Kamui and could have avoided it.

    Against Hidan, Kakuzu, and Pain, he was saving Kamui for last when he needed it, especially since the intel said Hidan was immortal and Pain had six bodies who could use different powers. According to Zabuza, Kakashi goes all out when he needs to otherwise he avoids showing opponents his jutsu, but that was back in Part I.

    Plus, would JIraiya have good defense against Kakashi's genjutsu? Kakashi's pretty good with Sharingan and genjutsu, he could put Jiraiya in hypnosis. But, it's Jiraiya so he would probably know that.
    The guy has copied over 1k jutsu. I'm fairly certain that a few of those were long range. Also unlike the manga this tournament isn't restricted by the plot. Meaning that Kakashi isn't a set up man or finisher for anyone else, he isn't taking a back seat to the plot in the tournament. Kakashi using Kamui right off of the bat against Hidan, Kakuzu, and Deva would have ruined the plot since all three of those guys were development plot tools for other characters. Yet we have clearly seen instances of him starting or wanting to start off fights with Kamui. So thats not really a viable argument against him.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    This is a very tough fight that will be challenging for both fighters. Jiraya strenghth, and stamina will be a bitch for Kakashi but Kakashi’s arsenal of jutsu,intelligence, and speed can force Jiraiya into a corner. Also Kakashi’s elements of suiton,ration, and doton trump Jiraiya’s katon, and doton. Kakashi can read Jiraiyas seal in a instant thanks to his sharingan and Kakashi’s seal speed is up in the top tier of ninja. The main problem for Kakashi will be the summons but if he can dodge them easily or he can engage Jiraiya in close range combat so the summons have to be weary of hitting Jiraiya. Sage mode would also be a problem but Kakashi has always been able to keep up with his opponents and in this fight he doesn’t have to protect anyone. People forget in the fight against Kakuzo his chakra capacity showed huge improvements from where it was in part 1. He used 5 raikiris, a suiton, tanked decent level jutsu, and still had enough juice to pull of a kamui.

    In the end I believe Kakashi would win this fight 6/10 so I have to give it to him. Kakashi won’t lose a fight without atleast getting Kamui off which will be deadly for Jiraiya even in sage mode . His accuracy with the jutsu is very impressive at this point in the manga. This is truly a high level fight though that will push both ninja to their limits.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Jiraya summons one of the frogs and begins to write another Icha Icha volume.

    IMO, Kamui, while an extremely deadly jutsu, has only be shown to be extremely fast to bring up at very close ranges: at medium range, Jiraya should be more than able to dodge the jutsu by becoming ultrathin.
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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Jiraiya beat Sasuke, with the defense being that he could defend against/overcome Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo. I can't see how he loses to Kakashi, even with Kamui, especially considering that against Pain (who we all know is stronger than Deidara, and that Kakashi should've also known, seeing as how he killed Jiraiya), he didn't use Kamui until he absolutely had to.

    Jiraiya wins even without Sage Mode, since it's really hard for Kakashi to handle any of the frogs, really, and remember that because Jiraiya knows how to break out of genjutsu, Kakashi can't catch him genjutsu, lol

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Kakashi can catch Jiraiya in a genjutsu. He has one that instantly puts Jiraiya to sleep. What counter does Jiraiya have for that?

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaHunter
    Jiraiya wins even without Sage Mode, since it's really hard for Kakashi to handle any of the frogs, really, and remember that because Jiraiya knows how to break out of genjutsu, Kakashi can't catch him genjutsu, lol

    Kakashi has a Sharingan aswell. He can deal with Jiraiya's summons the same way Sasuke and Itachi would have: through Genjutsu. Before stating he's never shown Genjutsu, he hypnotized Zabuza into performing jutsu he wanted him to perform, so that's mind manipulation right there. Also, the ability to "swim" through the earth with his hidden mole technique, since it's a doton just like Yomi Numa, should allow him to swim right through the muck and stab Jiraiya in the back if he wants.

    But loathe as I am (LOATHE) to admit it, I feel like I have to vote for Jiraiya for having greater stamina. Kakashi can't use Genjutsu to control all of his toads over and over, and if he wastes a Kamui to block oncoming jutsu then his sure kill is wasted.

    EDIT: That said, I'm voting for no one. Since Jiraiya got one victory he didn't deserve, I think Kakashi's due one. But I can't make myself vote for him and certainly can't bring myself to vote against Kakashi.
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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by UchihaHunter View Post
    Jiraiya beat Sasuke, with the defense being that he could defend against/overcome Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo. I can't see how he loses to Kakashi, even with Kamui, especially considering that against Pain (who we all know is stronger than Deidara, and that Kakashi should've also known, seeing as how he killed Jiraiya), he didn't use Kamui until he absolutely had to.

    Jiraiya wins even without Sage Mode, since it's really hard for Kakashi to handle any of the frogs, really, and remember that because Jiraiya knows how to break out of genjutsu, Kakashi can't catch him genjutsu, lol
    Even Sakura knows that... Its irrelevant. Its 1 thing to know how and another thing to be able to.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Kakashi can catch Jiraiya in a genjutsu. He has one that instantly puts Jiraiya and hisfrog to sleep. What counter does Jiraiya have for that?
    If Kakashi had the ability to use that genjutsu in a battle situation, he would've used immediatly against ET Zabuzza.
    That genjutsu was cheap shot against unaware fodder root members..
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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Kakashi can win, but he has to go on the offensive. Hypnotic genjutsu IMO would be a potent weapon against Jiraiya.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Kakashi can win, but he has to go on the offensive. Hypnotic genjutsu IMO would be a potent weapon against Jiraiya.

    Isn't that something that's well known by now, and something that Jiraya would be aware off?
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    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    But Jiraiya can break genjutsu, he knows how to do so...so he can counter every genjutsu in the manga. No genjutsu can hold Jiraiya, he knows how to break them. In addition, Jiraiya and Kakashi have comparable speed, while Jiraiya's strength and chakra are far greater...

    Oh, and Kakashi can't escape Yomi Numa; nothing can escape it.

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