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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    Isn't that something that's well known by now, and something that Jiraya would be aware off?
    Even if he's aware of, if he doesn't know it's influencing him it can still work.

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    If Kakashi had the ability to use that genjutsu in a battle situation, he would've used immediatly against ET Zabuzza.
    That genjutsu was cheap shot against unaware fodder root members..
    He may not have been as skillful with the sharingan as he is now.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    He may not have been as skillful with the sharingan as he is now.
    I was comparing him against Edo tensei Zabuzza, after he was shown that he can put those fodder Root to sleep.

    If he could do that in a combat situation, he would've immobilized him right there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Jiraiya fought against three, he needed to go into Sage Mode for one body. When the rest of Pain appeared, Jiraiya didn't fight them, he hid and then sneaked up close to get a closer look at the bodies. Kakashi never used Kamui against the two bodies until the end when he was trapped, and even then it took chakra exhaustion to kill him.....
    He went into sage mode with one body not because he needed to but because he knew about the threats of the Rin'negan... he was right. Kakashi not using the attack early on the battle proves my point on it being risky and also on being deadly for he had visibly taken a toll when he used it against Sasuke. Furthermore how is sneaking up NOT the main technique of the copy ninja?... vs Itachi (when he had the upper hand) sneaked. vs Pain sneaked (thrice!). vs First AND second fight with Zabuza sneaked. If sneaking is somehow diminishing Jiraya it leaves Kakashi without nothing. Plus the sannin had one arm when fighting th six bodies, it is somehow justified.
    Last edited by Sevenheadedmirror; July 12, 2011 at 04:21 PM.
    To in infer something and pose it as implied in the source is to justify something.
    The justification that an arc or a story sucks because the author is as tired as us from it can't apply since it's the author's fault it sucks to begin with.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    I was comparing him against Edo tensei Zabuzza, after he was shown that he can put those fodder Root to sleep.

    If he could do that in a combat situation, he would've immobilized him right there.
    Than could be because of the mist or PIS he didn't use it. There's no reason to assume Jiraiya would be outright immune to the genjutsu considering Kakashi wasn't immune to Kabuto's low level genjutsu.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Than could be because of the mist or PIS he didn't use it. There's no reason to assume Jiraiya would be outright immune to the genjutsu considering Kakashi wasn't immune to Kabuto's low level genjutsu.
    When was Kakashi affected by Kabuto's genjutsu?

    The only Genjutu Kabuto used was an A-rank genjutsu that Kakashi blocked without an effort, lol.

    The sharingan abilities are well-known in this tournament, and Jiraya can actually counter them summoning a giant frog, keeping himself outside the eye range of the genjutsu, or making a KB and hiding in it's shadow.

    IMO Kakashi could perhaps hit Jiraya with a genjutsu, but I doubt he would be a OHKO like it was against unaware fodder ninjas.
    Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; July 12, 2011 at 04:53 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    If Kakashi would've had the Kamui he used against Deidara, then he would lose...but we saw that his current Kamui is nearly instantaneous, and Jiraiya can't counter it...how can he counter something that he doesn't know about and doesn't have to speed?

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by benelori View Post
    If Kakashi would've had the Kamui he used against Deidara, then he would lose...but we saw that his current Kamui is nearly instantaneous, and Jiraiya can't counter it...how can he counter something that he doesn't know about and doesn't have to speed?
    Kamui was that fast because it hit the target when it was extremely close to him: it took him much more time to warp the rocket that Asura path launched.

    If Jiraya is on top of a toad, I doubt Kakashi would be able to hit Jiraya with it, plus when was the last time he used Kamui right off the bat?
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog View Post
    When was Kakashi affected by Kabuto's genjutsu?

    The only Genjutu Kabuto used was an A-rank genjutsu that Kakashi blocked without an effort, lol.

    The sharingan abilities are well-known in this tournament, and Jiraya can actually counter them summoning a giant frog, keeping himself outside the eye range of the genjutsu, or making a KB and hiding in it's shadow.

    IMO Kakashi could perhaps hit Jiraya with a genjutsu, but I doubt he would be a OHKO like it was against unaware fodder ninjas.
    Kakashi can use Hypnotic genjutsu to influence what jutsu Jiraiya does than counter.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Kakashi can use Hypnotic genjutsu to influence what jutsu Jiraiya does than counter.
    Just summoning a frog would make him very hard to be affected by a visual genjutsu.

    Even if Jiraya can't counter the genjutsu, he can take steps to prevent it.
    Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; July 12, 2011 at 05:06 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Kakashi can likely make sure Jiraiya doesn't summon with his genjutsu.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Jiraiya is immune to genjutsu, people; he knows how to break genjutsu, so he can't be caught in genjutsu by Itachi or Sasuke, not to mention Kakashi.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Kakashi can likely make sure Jiraiya doesn't summon with his genjutsu.
    Kakashi's genjutsu isn't mind-control, it's very subtle manipulation: if he could do that he would've convinced Deidara that he should get down and try to stick an explosive near Naruto.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Kakashi can manipulate the situation. He can put Jiraiya in a genjutsu, run towards him and convince it's a good idea to use a katon jutsu. In the situation it really would be a good idea to use a wide range katon like endan to attack Kakashi (as far as Jiraiya knows) so all Kakashi would have to do is nudge Jiraiya with his genjutsu.

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    Quote Originally Posted by ki0 View Post
    Kakashi can manipulate the situation. He can put Jiraiya in a genjutsu, run towards him and convince it's a good idea to use a katon jutsu. In the situation it really would be a good idea to use a wide range katon like endan to attack Kakashi (as far as Jiraiya knows) so all Kakashi would have to do is nudge Jiraiya with his genjutsu.
    That's not how it works: first you have to create confusion on the opponent by copying his movements and jutsu, then anticipating his response and finally use hypnotic suggestion.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/026/15

    If Jiraya uses a jutsu that Kakashi can't use, then that strategy goes to hell.
    Last edited by hakuthehedgehog; July 12, 2011 at 05:39 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    On that topic, anyone else think Naruto's the type of guy who would cry after sex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I fount it interesting that had Kushina not gotten knocked up, None of them would be in the current situation. She's more responsible for the Uchiha massacre then Danzo and co. Crap, Now Sasuke has a valid reason to use his hatred against Naruto.
    LMFAO

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    Re: Kakashi vs Jiraiya

    guys jiraiya takes this for sure!. He has also a deadly genjutso and he can summon frogs like gamabunta and Gamaken. And don't underestimate the power og sage mode !

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