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Last edited by benelori; July 17, 2011 at 04:48 AM.
i thought i was all but spelled out in the manga that the sharingan enhances you physically to adapt to the aforementioned abilities it grants.
sasuke's body adjusted accordingly with the sharingan's evolution and he described it the same way the curse mark works and we know it boost your physical capabilities when activated
Last edited by DarkPrinceRevan; July 17, 2011 at 01:42 AM.
I don't recall anyone saying that. I anyway was saying or trying to say that Kakashi faced Deva by himself and Asura and Deva mostly by himself. Backups joined later while Asura was getting shocked by the lightning bunshin.
Last edited by benelori; July 17, 2011 at 04:48 AM.
Kakashi and sage naruto has the same trouble when fighting deva.? how come.? Sage naruto was fighting not only deva pain but the six paths of pain. And in the end, naruto killed/defeated deva pain. Whereas kakashi never hit deva pain with his attack. Not even once. So kakashi never match the skills of sage/naruto at all.
Normal naruto was even more powerful than kakashi. Base mode naruto withstand deva pain's power, the ST..
Kakashi never killed/hit robot pain the way as naruto did.
Kakashi never hit/killed deva pain the way as naruto did.
kakashi never killed/hit the 3 paths the way as jiraiya did.
Overall, kakashi will definitely has a big problem when facing jiraiya. Because jiraiya is a beast and a powerful ninja.
Nagato did give Jiraiya the ultimate compliment, no matter how we look at it it says a lot.
Kakashi, by talking about Jiraiya and how he stood up against Pain was himself pretty much admitting inferiority to him.
When it comes to fighting Pain, Jiraiya deserves to be declared the winner.
Although i'll say this much, while Jiraiya was facing 6 paths in the end, God realm wasnt involved like he has been with Kakashi.
God realm is without a doubt the strongest path, and Kishi kept his powers hidden for plot purpose and thats alright, but Kakashi deserves to be given credit for what he's done.
It's fair to say that had god realm been involved since the start, Jiraiya would have had a lot more trouble deeling with Pain.
Jiraiya has more chance against Pain than Kakashi does, i'm sure of it, but when it comes to bashing either side, we need to realise that the circumstances werent exactly the same and not because of the difference in the arsenal of Kakashi and Jiraiya, but the way Pain fought both Jiraiya and Kakashi, without taking into account the ultimate praise that Nagato gave his former sensei, i must say the Jiraiya vs Pain clearly seemed ''kept at bay'' for the sake of not reveilling everything to keep the entity of Pain a mystery for as long as possible. Kishi didnt allow Nagato to go balls to the walls with God realm against Jiraiya like he did with Kakashi, and because of this, i'd say Kakashi deserves a lot more credit than people give him.
After all, we saw how Naruto and co. vs the Six paths went until God realm was restored.
Naruto smashed one after an other 5 realms, and when God realm was restored, the 3 boss frogs, Ma, Pa, Naruto and Hinata were taken down by him, it shows the extent of his power and how tricky it is to deal with it, and while it was only for a short time, Kakashi was dealing with the same path who single handly took down Naruto and co. and held his own against both God realm and Asura path.
Last edited by insid3rkill3r; July 17, 2011 at 01:58 AM.
Pain may not have known what led Naruto to do so well against him. He may have not known Naruto was given information by Katsuya, whether on Hungry Ghost's power or Deva's power.
Of course we'd know better. We see things from different point of view while Nagato only sees it from his point of view. If you don't understand this, it's okay. Either way, despite how well or bad Kakashi and Jiraiya did against Pain, it doesn't mean one would curbstomp the other. Jiraiya's pretty smart (despite what someone said) and a great shinobi, as is Kakashi.
Kakashi has advantages over Jiraiya and Jiraiya has advantages over Kakashi. Whoever wins, it's deserved. Anyway, I'm guessing Jiraiya has the most votes.
Oh, and as if the Rinnegan - the kekkai genkai of the godly Sage of the Six Paths isn't enough of an advantage for Nagato?
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Last edited by DementedKirby; July 17, 2011 at 03:04 AM.
Man, it's all because a choice is been asked to be made.Do you like kakashi or Jiraiya more?Where
folks should be looking at WHO IS THE ACKNOWLEDGED BETTER SHINOBI...and that's not hype.
Hype is used or brought into the discussion when it looks like your favorite charactor is going to get
the mother of all ''curbstomps'' pmsl.
Jiraiya even by kakashi own standing is immense..legendary!Yes he was getting on,still.Itachi even
though been a double agent suggested that he and kisame would get a draw at best and total
anihalation at worst(i'm teasing).Kakashi achievement against god realm pales into insignificance
compared to jiraiya.And that's a FACT.No matter how one tries to ''spin it''.
Without jiraiya SELFLESS sacrifice.Kakashi would of been dead in an instance!same goes for naruto too
if you like.That's how the story goes.Accept it.Kakashi style of entering combat is pretty standard.It's
a jonin method.Use clones to gain info on your opponet and then engage the best possible fighting tactic's.Jiraiya also can employ this method.He just did not when fighting the 6 paths of pain.All this running and hiding crap is ..just that crap pmsl.This is not a sport event where you have a referee lol.
Jiraiya vastly superior chakra reserves.Enable him to have a much greater advantage over kakashi,
regardless of his smarts,Jiraiya smart too.If and it's a massive big IF.If kakashi was to start off with
''kamui'' then the after effects will hinder him for the remainer of the match.He would not of scouted
out jiraiya moves.He has no info on him.So how can he effectively fight to his TRUE LEVEL?he can't
can he,because there no basis for him to do so.This ain't ninja storm,lmao.
Like i said earlier,i like kakashi but he's overmatched.He would not be considered the strongest in the village imo if Jiraiya was alive and the title for kage was up for grabs.And jiraiya wanted to go for it.
Naruto would be the only logical rival to jiraiya...even though there had been a debate about it.
Within the manga.Kakashi has grown but his ability is been vastly overplayed here.Imo.He's good but
not that good.
Last edited by kakashidad; July 17, 2011 at 04:02 AM.
A good example is Shi stating crep.
JMan would have died vs Pein fast and simple if not for the plot shield... He can have all the info on Pein ... If Pein starts with all bodies JMan is dead in seconds and he does not even have time to enter sage mode... I will never understand why Animal Realm never just summoned them all of the bad and destroy JMan in seconds before he could enter sage mode.... Well aside from plot shield. Think about it, JMan had problem entering SM when all he was fighting was a summon lol.
if i'm correct kakashi couldn't perform Raikiri perfect until he got his left eye(sharingan) from obito and the sharingan helped kakashi to used Raikiri. kakashi got blessed with one of the best two eyes(sharingan,rinnegan)
Last edited by EMS; July 17, 2011 at 08:31 AM.
Last edited by xXan; July 17, 2011 at 08:58 AM.