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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
A little while ago, I read a thread here "somewhere" discussing which of Allens powers came first, the Innocence or the Noah.
Wether the powers picked him for beeing who he is, or if they picked him becaue one of the powers had.
I was sitting and re-reading d.gray-man this early morning, when I came across a small frame that peaked my interest.
You see Allen's Innocence beeing licked by the dog? He had it before Mana died, he also just meet Mana, and thus before the 14'th left Mana's body.
So that explains that he had his innocence first, and therefore the 14'th might have picked Allen for exactly this reason, which the Earl him self also suspected here,
So, Allen was likely picked as a Noah host, becuase of his Innocence, that seems very likely.
But why Allen, of all Innocence users?
Was it because,
- he was the first and the best around?
- he's unique personallity allowing both powers to reach 100% potentially?
- he's Innocence is unique? Destroyer of time? perhaps even the heart?
- 4'th option?
It dosn't seem like we know why he picked Allen yet, but i doubt it's because he was the first and best around, theres just something special and suspecious about Allen's ability to balance both powers.
Road seems to suggest "maybe the Innocence went after Allen knowing who he is"......... wait? what? thats off... SHe may not know in which order the powers picked Allen, but am i understanding what she's saying here right...
Is she really suggesting, that Allen is unique without any powers? Knowing that he had the Innocence before the 14'ths powers, how can she say this, if the first powers Allen had was the innocence.
So whats up with Allen? whats special about him?
On a parallel matter, the heart. The Noah here appear to suggest that the one having the heart, is aware of it, since he says, it most be hard for the user to be hiding among her/his allies.
The Earl also says, if you go a page back, that he knows the heart has awaken.
Combining these two, assuming both is correct, the heart won't be neither Linali or Allen, but someone else.
What is the heart? What can the heart do? How does it work? Does it sync with God's will?
I would personally find it rather lame and stupid, if the heart only was a Innocence with some sort of "drive" to keep the others going, there has to be more to it then that...
Which leads me to another thought,
The Earl says here;
If the Heart user finds out the secret behind the evolution of the Akuma's, then all the Noah's plans will be for naught? Seriously? Just having the knowledge of the true plan will make the Heart win the war, without force, just the knowlede?
Somethings really really really fishy here.
Allen is suposely the destroyer of time, but does the heart even need Allen if it only needs this knowledge to win? It dosn't make Allen seem so important for a main charecter.
As earlier pointed out, it seems unlikely that Allen has to heart, so, whats going on?
Something dosn't add up here, theres a major detail we don't know yet.
How are the destroyer of time linked to the heart and the akuma's evolution?
and seriously, that's alooooot of information on just 1-2 pages.... O.O
Last edited by Quantized; July 05, 2011 at 03:23 AM.
Allen had really grown into a beautiful exorcist... If that's really the case, then there would be a reason why it had to be that particular innocence and why it had to be Allen.
The Apocryphos also said that Allen must possess an amazing spiritual power, and that there was no other exorcist who was as deeply connected to his/her innocence as Allen was. This might be the reason why Allen was chosen as the host for the 14th... Or maybe, the Noah genes in Allen were just stronger?
So we go back to the point about whether the 14th picked Allen for his innocence. My question is, did the previous 14th (Mana's brother) implant the Noah memories into Allen, or was it just the genes?
Allen's innocence was once shattered by Tyki, but it didn't disappear, and hung around him as a protective mist. In that case, it wasn't actually "destroyed". In fact, it seems to be quite resistant to Tyki's attempt to destroy it.
Like what was mentioned (somewhere), perhaps the Heart gets stronger as more and more of the innocence fragments are joined together. I wonder if the Heart would be capable of reviving the fragments which were shattered by the Noahs? Otherwise, the Heart would be significantly weaker than when the innocence fought against the Earl 7000 years ago.
Hmm... This makes me wonder if Allen is the descendant of the person who fought against the Earl? It would make sense for both the innocence and the Noah genes to pick him...
protect the 14th from the Heart with all their lives. And thus, we know that the 14th would definitely seek out the Heart once he is awakened. (Okay, I suddenly lost my train of thought here, so I'll have to end this post here without continuing with my previous sentence...)
Looks like I made my post much longer than it should have been with all those quotes. Oops. ><
and Mana taught Allen the music notes, I don't think he did that without the 14'th..
Also it was suggested by Cross somewhere, that the Noah's need to pick a host quickly (by the way to spoak, it sounded like that) or it would have consequences...
I wonder if it damages the memory if they don't switch quickly? Like have to awaken from scratch again..
Need to run out of da house, so can't reply more right now, but you basically disagree with the whole thing lol but that's the good part about discussions <3
But anyway, I wonder if the 14th awakened in Allen due to the Noah genes in him or that the 14th had implanted his own memories into Allen? It will make a huge difference if the method is different. Oh wait, we know that the 14th had died some 30 years before Cross found Allen, who was probably around 10 years old at the time? If the memories were implanted, then I suppose Mana might have gotten the memories first before passing it to Allen. But if the memories were inherited by the genes, perhaps Allen was drawn to Mana after they'd first met at the circus and just stayed together after that...
If Mana taught Allen the music notes, he would have also taught Allen how to play the piano. The "14th's song" belongs to Allen. Even though Mana had a messed up mind, he still remembered very tiny pieces of his time with Nea. I'm pretty sure it would be Nea, who taught Mana the song as it's a magic spell (if Nea was that open towards his brother)l. If that truly happened, Mana and Allen would be using their memories to "make up" the song in the snow. In other words, Mana was unconsciously relying on his old memories to fill in the song lyrics. It could be the same for Allen since, technically, Nea's memories are his own as well.Quote:
addenza answered this nicely so I probably don't have to add much to this. Nea damaged eveyone's memories, although, Road and Wisely are an exception. Unlike the other Noahs, Nea really took his time to come back but not inside the body of a teenager or an adult. Perhaps, a consequence for reincarnating so late is to reincarnate through natural birth? The memories would then be easier to unlock like Allen's attachment to Mana and the 14th's song. And as Allen grew older, the memories would become stronger. But the question of the Innocence still remains. We're initially believed that he was born with it but that would be interesting if the Apo guy placed the Innocence into Allen's hand.Quote:
Last edited by tgirl; July 06, 2011 at 12:54 AM.