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Last edited by mattiaildivino; July 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM.
Now Itachi is an Edo now so perhaps his eyes are better now for some reason. Normaly he should be like he was just before he died. But b4 he died his eyes where white and what not. We probably need to w8 to see the fight and get more info. I could only trow asumtions on this.
Itachi didn't try to punch him, he feinted a punch to grab his head. Anyway, the thing your forgetting is that Itachi has been shown as a range fighter in the fights we have seen. So Itachi would readily maintain a distance between him and Madara. Even in the situation of only using a clone to counter, that still would prevent him from being warp, as he can simply create a clone as it happens to save himself. If Itachi can notice and strike two clones coming at him from behind without turning around, he should be able to notice Madara, especially when we have seen it's not all that hard to notice him coming from behind. Itachi would then be able to create some distance between them. Madara may have a tactical mind, but so does Itachi and his tactics are accompany by his genius intellect.
Madara was able to locate Kinkaku and the Amber Pot even though Zetsu couldn't have planted any spores on it. So there could be more then that to it.
Oh. But Tobi'd have to activate Izanagi, which he may not be able to when in Tsukuyomi. I doubt he'd do it beforehand either since that'd waste an eye after the time limit is up, especially when he knows it's a bitch to kill him. If seals are required, then Itachi could see that and stop Tobi from doing it somehow.Quote:
Though if we're doing this with no knowledge, then yeah, Itachi would need to use it beforehand, which I doubt he'd do after seeing Tobi being able to go intangible. But, Tobi can also save that for when he needs it, dodging Itachi's attacks. As long as all Itachi are in his sight, he could dodge all of Itachi's attacks.
I think he was more shocked at Itachi's Mangekyo on Sasuke since when Amaterasu formed on him, he stumbled back and got rid of it. Although Tobi's only dangerous technique is being able to warp, he can also do genjutsu, some taijutsu, and evasion that could tire out Itachi.Quote:
As long as he knows where each enemy is, he can warp to them and take their head off, so it wouldn't matter which Itachi was real.Quote:
Does Itachi have such attack though? I think he'd have to create a lot of exploding bunshin or tons of exploding paper attached to kunai.Quote:
This is ridiculous. Obviously, Madara wins in this fight. When I vote Madara, I am assuming that we are taking Madara in his prime vs. Itachi in his prime. We have no confirmation that the present Madara (Tobi) is actually the true Madara so we have to take Madara with EMS (the one who fought 1st Hokage) vs Itachi with MS. Guess what? Madara will win every time. We don't even know the last ability of the EMS. We don't even know that Itachi is truly aware of what that last ability is. Madara has the surprise, speed, and strength advantage. I would take Sasuke over Madara, but I got to pick Madara on this one. They draw in Genjutsu and Intelligence.
That being said, Itachi has the skills needed to deal with Madara outside of his MS techniques. Even though Madara is a proficient user of Genjutsu, Itachi just needs to time his correctly. Itachi can easily use clones as diversions and just needs one critical hit. We've seen Madara get maimed in every fight. There is not reason why Itachi can't do it too. Itachi's feats, along side Madara's reluctance to even challenge him, make me lean towards Itachi as the victor.
Madara must activate Izanagi prior to a fatal wound, that won't happen in this fight. Madara would be defeated while on the offensive, not the defensive.
Well once Itachi comes to the conclusion about Madara having to go solid to physically attack, he's most likely depend on his fastest attack to ensure being able to hit Madara before Madara could escape. Apart from the natural immunity his intangibility grants him, I would think Madara would have a hard time dodging Itachi's techniques, even if he can keep an eye on him. If fellow Sharingan users Kakashi and Sasuke had trouble following his attacks, I don't think Madara would do much better.
I still don't see how Itachi would escape Madara's teleport+suckering combo. I think it was made obvious that you need an S/T jutsu of your own (Minato) and ultra fast reflexes (Minato),or gathered detailed knowledge about the jutsu and a specific set of powers (Konan) to escape it. Well guess what, Itachi has none at his disposal, while Madara knows pretty much everything about Itachi.
Last edited by IChallengeYou!; July 22, 2011 at 03:47 AM.
That would be diferent. He would be warping more then 1 thing at once. He had to chose from warping the explosion itself or warp Konan and get himself killed. If Madara is in Izanagi then he will just go in close in grab him then Itachi can shot all the techs he wants. Madara can come from below the ground to get in close. Madara is defenetly not going to fight a long ranged war as he can't do that. Itachi would have no idea about the warping so its a good chanse he is going to replicate what he has done vs Kakashi and try to block a attack coming from undergrond.Quote:
Nop. He showed that he blocks vs Kakashi, showed that he uses jutsus but again keeps close vs Kurenai and then vs kakashi in the lake battle. Up to the moment he is going to find out Madara warps he will fight close to his target.Quote:
Yes he has but as a distraction. Point is he was in close combat and direct contact with Kakashi. If that was Madara it would be GG.Quote:
Err no.. Its the exact opposite. Well aside from Sasuke when that fight was diferent and Sasuke himself was keeping a distance and showering the battlefield with long ranged attacks.Quote:
Nobody is saying Itachi could not do it. All i am saying Itachi ending up in warping distance before he finds out about it are greater then not. Both of the fighters are geniuses here in all respects for sure.Quote:
That never looked like 5 mins to me. But i am not going to argue over it as it would be irrelevant. If he realy holds it up for 5 mins for no good reason (like the one i quoted) he will just exhaust himself.Quote:
Err it was instense Pein and Sasuke was able to go trough that.Quote:
Of course it is lol. He had 3 days of torture and he was still able to comprehends stuff. Madara with some mins is not going to mean much. Itachi will just keep stabing Madara(like vs Kakashi).
The chanses Madara has are good enough for me to asume he will do it. In all this fights we only got chanses of X,Y,Z to happen but we go with what has the better % of happening.Quote:
Danzou was also a very smart man himself. What do you mean even Danzou? He had years and years and Oro of experimentation to get there.
Of course Itachi has better MS genjutsu then Madara as Madara never showed he has any better them him. The point was that he once had MS genjutsu himself. I am also not dismissing Itachi's great accomplishments. I am just tring to find who has a better % of doing something.
I can understand why you made this mistake as my discusion with that guy whent over multiple posts. We where asuming Izanagi was already active when he get's hit with Tsukuyomi.Quote:
Last edited by xXan; July 22, 2011 at 04:39 AM.
- If losing a eye is that bad than losing both eyes instantly would be 2x worse...but Itachi can do much worse. Bee who's a top tier fighter screamed instantly as soon as he was hit by Amaterasu.
- Kakashi has a super genius's thinking capacity. He rivals Shikamaru who can of 200 different scenarios in the span of a couple minutes. Even if was reduced, his ability to think should still be high.
- Madara likely won't get a chance to see through Itachi's normal genjutsu, considering how long it took Sasuke.
- If Madara tries to warp Itachi, Itachi just creates a bunshin behind Madara instantly to take his head off.
-It does not matter what level of genius you are when you are tortured for 3 days.
-In there last fight Sasuke was able to see trough Itachi's gejutsu over and over. It was a battle of genjutsu that ultimatly Sasuke won after the use of MS genjutsu.
-If Madara get's to the warp Itachi can't do any clones. Minato was only able to escape because he can instantly teleport. KB needs handseals.