Nagato vs Minato

[Rikudou Sennin]

Dang, explosions are made out of paper, of course nagato can move away, yet, he was burned and crippeled but a common jutsu, and explosive which even genin used.

Why are you soo hell bent on arguing ST is enough to stop minato? Minato just trows a kunai, then shinra tensei, then he throws again and nagato dodges it. Minato figured the tec out. Throws another buch on kunais....shinra tensei from nagato, shushin from minato --->Nagato dead.

And Minato has Hiraishin level two which basically is the ability to travel to a place were the kunai just went by. Why?...The common hiraishin is teleporting to a seal, while level two is travelling to a area the kunai went by or is about to went by, just look at the pictures and tobis battle and what minato said and you see it.

Minato can also put up a barrier even a Kage cant come through, basically meaning he can look Nagato inside it. He can also use the space time barrier on Nagatos jutsus.

You can go on as long as you want. Minato will wins this, and the reason is that Minato is way superior to him.

[En Yang Ji]

Even Juugo and Suigetsu can react to Raikage. Juugo was fast enough to put his hand up and block. If Nagato uses Shinra Tensei to block, he can than use Bansho Tenin to throw Minato around.

[Rikudou Sennin]

Haha, how funny. No comment on Minatos ability. Nagato is god , you're right, I forgot, silly of me. If Nagato wants to throw people around, he does.

Nagato is a friggin powerhouse but no real god. He can't use bansho tenin because Minato is way to fast and he has hiraishin level two which basically gives him victory over Nagato.

This palm thing discussion is useless, because Kishi made a mistake. In one panle, chapter 423, he doesnt need his hands, then...same chapter, he needs his hand (chain scene with Akemishis and Kakashi) which is weird.

[xXan]

Haha, how funny. No comment on Minatos ability. Nagato is god , you're right, I forgot, silly of me. If Nagato wants to throw people around, he does.

Nagato is a friggin powerhouse but no real god. He can't use bansho tenin because Minato is way to fast and he has hiraishin level two which basically gives him victory over Nagato.

This palm thing discussion is useless, because Kishi made a mistake. In one panle, chapter 423, he doesnt need his hands, then...same chapter, he needs his hand (chain scene with Akemishis and Kakashi) which is weird.

That is not the only instance where he used ST with no hands so its not a mistake.

[En Yang Ji]

Haha, how funny. No comment on Minatos ability. Nagato is god , you're right, I forgot, silly of me. If Nagato wants to throw people around, he does.

Nagato is a friggin powerhouse but no real god. He can't use bansho tenin because Minato is way to fast and he has hiraishin level two which basically gives him victory over Nagato.

This palm thing discussion is useless, because Kishi made a mistake. In one panle, chapter 423, he doesnt need his hands, then...same chapter, he needs his hand (chain scene with Akemishis and Kakashi) which is weird.

Raikage and Minato are of comparable speed.

[Naruffy]

Raikage and Minato are of comparable speed.

Minato's faster than Raikage, teleportation is faster than regular movement.

[xXan]

Minato's faster than Raikage, teleportation is faster than regular movement.

He said they are of comparable speed and they are.

[Murdock]

Well, technically Minato's home was destroyed when he transported Kyuubi

No, he can't use any kunais other than the ones he spreads out himself after the battle has started. Just pretend they do not exist.

Ok for sake of argument minato jsut throws Kunais away acting as a failsafe - it's great defense and way better then triple rashomon IMO

He would see the chakra in the Kunai and ST all of them away.

Also, Naruto defeated deva Pain who didn't have access to summons: Nagato does.

Minato is indeed damn fast, but I simply can't see how he would close the gap between him and Nagato without Hirashin with the summons Nagato has at his disposal and ST.

IMO this is how the fight would turn out:

Minato throws the Kunai in every direction and Nagato answers by using ST, blasting all the kunai to a respectable distance (say more or less the one he used against Kakashi) and Minato is blasted to the ground.

Minato gets up and throws another Kunai at Nagato, only for it to be shinra tenseid again.

Nagato summons the dog and it charges at minato.

Minato Hiraishins away and tries to rasengan Nagato from behind, and Nagato uses shinra tensei, only for Minato to dodge it using Hiraishin.

Nagato, realizing Minato's speed, summons the bird and flies away from Minato, which has to content with the dog.

Minato summons bunta to deal with the dog, but he is onwed by ST.

Nagato is out of range from Minato and he still has to deal with the dog.

kinda forgot about 5 second interval

also imagine this Minato throws Kunai at Nagato it gets ST (which he can throw near him so Nagato wouldn't use it at all but ok) say Nagato uses ST Kunai is hovering in the air - Minato s/t to it and immediately throws one at him from that distance and since nagato can't use ST for another 5 second Minato gets to Nagato

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He said they are of comparable speed and they are.

except that Minato owned him in speed department and also A said he was faster

[hakuthehedgehog]

Dang, explosions are made out of paper, of course nagato can move away, yet, he was burned and crippeled but a common jutsu, and explosive which even genin used.

Why are you soo hell bent on arguing ST is enough to stop minato? Minato just trows a kunai, then shinra tensei, then he throws again and nagato dodges it. Minato figured the tec out. Throws another buch on kunais....shinra tensei from nagato, shushin from minato --->Nagato dead.

And Minato has Hiraishin level two which basically is the ability to travel to a place were the kunai just went by. Why?...The common hiraishin is teleporting to a seal, while level two is travelling to a area the kunai went by or is about to went by, just look at the pictures and tobis battle and what minato said and you see it.

Minato can also put up a barrier even a Kage cant come through, basically meaning he can look Nagato inside it. He can also use the space time barrier on Nagatos jutsus.

You can go on as long as you want. Minato will wins this, and the reason is that Minato is way superior to him.

Nagato was only injured on his legs, meaning the dodged all those others tags that were around, which shows incredible speed.

Your strategic example doesn't work because when Minato throws the Kunai, he would be blown by ST as well, and when he would throw another Kunai it would have already passed 5 seconds.

Minato only shushin speed feat was saving Naruto from Madara, which, while showing incredible speed, isn't enough to blitz Nagato: he would just summon a bull against Minato (he blocked Jiraya's fastest attack with a summon) , or a dog buying him time to use ST again.

He could also fly onto a bird to avoid physcial confrontation with Minato, hide in the chameleon while analyzes Minato's tech by seeing through the summon's eyes.

The barrier ninjutsu, which we have no ideia how long it takes to do, could be dealt with by summoning an animal and having him burrow a tunnel underground, or by summoning Gedo Mazo and extend the head in every direction until Minato has to run away from the battlefield.

The space time barrier could work against ST, but Minato would have to stand still, which would lead him nowhere since he has to move to tag Nagato.

Minato is indeed faster than A thanks to Hiraishin, but since Nagato can clear the field of any tags with ST, Minato is left with shunshin, which, while fast, shouldn't be enough to blitz Nagato due to ST and summons.

[Lexotan]

I think Minato could probably take down a full young rested Nagato, since Hanzou himself was able to cripple Nagato.

However, I'm not so sure if he would be able to take down Pain.

[M3J]

If you could see the chakra in the seals then Madara would have saw them with his Sharigan, yet he didn't. The Rinnegan's chakra seeing abilities are inferior to the Sharigan's thus far in the manga, so there is no reason Nagato would see them.

Rin'negan did manage to see the barrier that Konoha had put up to know when there were intruders. Maybe Rin'negan can detect certain kind of chakra or something? Dunno. :x

Summons are pointless in this fight as they would never touch Minato, so let's put that to bed. Not to mention the toads are the most powerful summons in the game. I see no reason why Minato can' t summon Pa and Ma who in turn someone a toad army.

Summons aren't necessarily pointless, they don't need to hit Minato but give him extra pressure. not only would Minato have to be wary of Nagato attacking, but he'd have to make sure the summons don't attack him either. The Cerberus, bird, chameleon, rhino, and who knows what else can be enough to keep Minato distracted long enough for Nagato to get the drop in on him.

The thing is, even if Minato detects the chameleon, what can he do? He wouldn't know where to hit and even if he did, he needs to touch the ground to sense, in which during that time the chameleon could move. Even inside the chameleon Nagato can still summon animals. Minato doesn't have Sage Mode (wahwah, prove he does) so he can't really stop the bird with his strength or throw the rhino.

Plus, summoning Ma and Pa could leave him open, and we don't know if he can do it, at least not the way Jiraiya did. Regular means, I think he can summon either of 'em.

[hakuthehedgehog]

I think Minato could probably take down a full young rested Nagato, since Hanzou himself was able to cripple Nagato.

However, I'm not so sure if he would be able to take down Pain.

But Hanzo had a trap set up for Nagato, and an army of ninjas as backup, and Minato has neither.

Also, I don't think Nagato has the super ST, otherwise he would've used it against all those guys, killing them all.

[Lexotan]

But Hanzo had a trap set up for Nagato, and an army of ninjas as backup, and Minato has neither.

That is true, but Minato can always use the famous "instantaneous back stack no jutsu". And without Pain's shared vision, I'm not sure if Nagato would be able to do much against this.

[hakuthehedgehog]

That is true, but Minato can always use the famous "instantaneous back stack no jutsu". And without Pain's shared vision, I'm not sure if Nagato would be able to do much against this.

That would work if Minato manages to tag Nagato, but how would he do that if every Kunai is far away from Nagato and he can summon a buttload of creatures, including those that can make him either out of range from Minato or invisible?

Considering the tactic Nagato used against Jiraya, after the first ST, he would summon the chameleon and the rhino while Minato is down, and hide while he observes his techniques and summoning more creatures.

When he realizes what Hiraishin his (which frankly isn't that hard), Nagato would realize that the only thing he can do to win is either a massive ST or a CT that absorbs all the tags, thus winning the match.

[Lexotan]

That would work if Minato manages to tag Nagato, but how would he do that if every Kunai is far away from Nagato and he can summon a buttload of creatures, including those that can make him either out of range from Minato or invisible?

Well, he could send Kunais around and use that to teletransport behind Nagato, and he could use his own summons to buy some time against Nagato's summons.

Not saying he would win, but he would definitively have a chance against Nagato.