Hunter X Hunter Anime- Fall 2011

[MegamanX195]

One that I WANTED to see would be Emperor Time training, but I think that it wouldn't be too fitting unless it somehow was "made canon". I would feel uncomfortable knowing that that technically "didn't happen." I expect to see some Ryodan flashbacks, though. I don't really want them, but I think that, if they're made, are going to be pretty cool.

[there76]

I do hope they add the little stuff the seemed to be skipped in the manga, like gon saying goodbye to Mito. It just seemed abrupt to go from being at home to all of sudden being in Yorkshin.

[thatguy3331]

would anyone like to see how gon ad killua made the cash they made for their bet?

[there76]

would anyone like to see how gon ad killua made the cash they made for their bet?

I see them adding that in as well. :P There is a lot of place that Madhouse can add stuff without needing break canon.

[mrsticky005]

Well yes, but on the other hand...nope. I think i'll continue criticizing the series when it warrants it, thank you very much. Now scram.

In other words you want to be a troll. That's fine. You can do that. But I'm staying.



It's not just their looks; its' the way they're portrayed. Also sets the tone for the series.


You mean like how they are portrayed as 12 year old kids?
Yeah, the tone is this 12 year old kid (Gon) in an adult world.



They don't look like that in the manga AT ALL. Actually to me, quite frankly, it doesn't matter what they look like in the manga. It's about spirit, not form.

If it doesn't matter what they look like in the manga then why are you complaining?
They are 12 years old. Madhouse drew them as so. 12 years old often look young
though sometimes they look older. Kids mature at different rates.




Urging the series to take a more mature approach which, incidentally, is sort of faithful to the manga, is a valid criticism. Concluding that I've "decided to hate the series" based on just that once sentence which was in fact framed rather tamely? Doesn't take much to see what's goin' on behind dat head.

So what do you expect them to do? Suddenly draw Gon and Killua taller with more
adult like proportions out of nowhere? As I said before it's not going to change.
At least not for a long while. And the series HAS been taking a more mature approach.
If you can't tell that the series has matured quite a bit since the beginning of the
Hunter Exam then you simply have not been paying attention. Gon and Killua are
kids so shouldn't they act like kids? Ever been to middle school? They're not exactly
the most mature bunch. Though really I don't see much difference in how Gon and
Killua act in the 2011 anime and how they do in the manga. If you can actually
cite an example that would be great. And yes, I still conclude that you had
decided to hate on the series. If you were actually interested in criticizing and
not just trolling you would have written more than just one sentence that
is about as critical as someone saying "Naruto sucks because his outfit
is orange and ninjas never wear orange." That's not criticism that's just a complaint.
If you're going to criticize you should something like "Gon and Killua look too young
in the 2011 series. In the manga they look older. Here is a comparison." Or
something like that. Otherwise it's really just trolling.

It's been a recurring theme throughout the whole series. I wasn't basing my assessment on JUST THIS ONE episode. I just thought that maybe since we're on to Heaven's Arena things might change. In fact I believe the director of the anime claimed that things get rather more serious once past the Zoldyck arc. Is it realistic to expect a gradual change in character design and portray?

If it's gradual then you shouldn't notice it. And in any case Gon and Killua stayed
about the same until Greed Island and the Chimera Ant Arc then they look a bit
more muscular (obviously due to all the training). But then again there are still
times even then that they just look like kids.








I believe the manga took itself seriously, actually. It wasn't a self parody. The tone was indeed different from the 1999 series. Whichever you prefer is up to you. Don't, however, accuse the manga of something that it is not. It is not in the vein of Quentin Tarantino. It really isn't.

I wouldn't say it was a parody either. But I don't think it was nitty gritty serious all the time. I think the seriousness actually fluctuates a lot. Hunter Exam overall has a playful
attitude with a lot of dark humor. Zoldyck Mansion Arc is a little bit darker and more twisted. Heavens Arena lightens up and is easily the most shonenesque arc of the series.
The Yorknew Arc is dark with Kurapika's story but it's also very matter of fact. Gon and
Killua's search for Greed Island however keeps it from being dreary. Greed Island is a very upbeat arc despite having a very disturbing villain, Gensuru. Chimera Ant Arc is by far
the darkest and most serious arc but there is a lot of humor in it too. Ultimately it is
a tragedy though not in the one might initially expect. Election Arc is very light hearted
though it has dark undertones.

[shareme]

@thatguy3331

May I use one of your images as a sig? I like the n00b one

Of course! Mots are for all to use afterall![/QUOTE]

Thanks! I've put it up but I don't see it at the moment... <---- newb at putting on forum sigs

Anyone with a working eye and a working brain can discern a big difference in the portrayal of the characters. From the character design (disproportionate eyes, fat baby cheeks, head to body ratio) to the damn way Gon makes strange "MMMM!!" sounds in response to Killua's lead; from the soundtrack accompanying Gon's special moments... oh why do I bother.

I never said anything about the '99 series. You must be feeling defensive.


I'm being defensive for some other guy when there is absolutely - absolutely - nothing in his post to suggest he is a hater/fanboy? Open your eyes and moreover, look in the mirror.

I didn't know body proportion of an anime character is an integral way of portraying a character... I must be feeling defensive.

It's also quite a shock to know that manga do have the capacity to emit sounds like "MMMM" and soundtracks to boot! I must have lost this piece of marvelous technology somewhere.

You're logic is outstanding, sensei. Will you take me as your pupil?

[TheAmericandream]

We should drop this proportions debate soon. Both adaptations are accurate to the manga only to a certain point, in the very manga its inconsistent. Its gotten kind of silly.

Moving on, did anyone point out Gon's steaming head during the first Nen convo in episode 27? It made me think of this from the Greed Island arc in the manga: http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378...299e2712f5.jpg
This is an iconic part of Gon to me, not being able to really handle too much info dump at once. It's Togashi sort of acknowledging that he's doing a large info dump.

[Netero]

We should drop this proportions debate soon. Both adaptations are accurate to the manga only to a certain point, in the very manga its inconsistent. Its gotten kind of silly.

Moving on, did anyone point out Gon's steaming head during the first Nen convo in episode 27? It made me think of this from the Greed Island arc in the manga: http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16378...299e2712f5.jpg
This is an iconic part of Gon to me, not being able to really handle too much info dump at once. It's Togashi sort of acknowledging that he's doing a large info dump.

I just finished rewatching the episode and the part with the steam rising from Gon's head was pretty funny.

[TheAmericandream]

The new ending song truly is great. Though I feel like a lot of its just my enjoyment of fanservice. I wonder what I'd think of it if all this was brand new to me?

[Beans]

Have you noticed the chains in the background of this scene.

[mrsticky005]

Have you noticed the chains in the background of this scene.

Yes and the fact that the spider has 13 eyes.

[SHINOBI-03]

You know, the criticism of the new HxH series reminded me of Rurouni Kenshin. Who have seen the OVA and have not read the manga?

I bought the manga first, and watched the anime later. As for the OVAs, I tried to watch them, but I couldn't bare them. Why, because they were so gloomy and too serious compared to the original manga atmosphere.

Now, if a remake of RK was done that covered the same materials as the OVA but made it more faithful to the manga, would the OVA fans bash this remake because it showed comedic scenes like these?

[TheAmericandream]

SHINOBI-03
You should stick comparisons to another thread probably (technically its another topic), but I think I'm an exception (when it comes to manga vs anime debates).

I saw both HxH and Kenshin as anime first (own them both) but also like the manga adaptations. The key difference is Kenshin (trust and betrayl) is just a flashback story not the whole series but its worse since its so gloomy and doesn't represent the manga's tone at all! It has its own unique fanbase separate from the rest of the franchise. I think that's sort of interesting anyway, and I'd probably be less then interested in seeing a remake UNLESS they animated the rest of the Enishi arc to go along with it (only then would I care to see that animated, I already own the manga version) (Though I go on the record to say the filler OVA is garbage (where kenshin dies)

Back to Hunter X Hunter: Hunterpedia omake at the end of the episodes are really cute! But the first one seemed a bit redundant, its alright so far but my hope for it is to actually goes over series tidbits the anime normally can't cover. Like maybe going over Nen details, or other things like how in Yorknew arc you get pages like this:

(Manga spoiler)

New episode is only two days away XD getting hype for Hisoka and seeing more Nen.

[chei]

You know, the criticism of the new HxH series reminded me of Rurouni Kenshin. Who have seen the OVA and have not read the manga?

I bought the manga first, and watched the anime later. As for the OVAs, I tried to watch them, but I couldn't bare them. Why, because they were so gloomy and too serious compared to the original manga atmosphere.

Now, if a remake of RK was done that covered the same materials as the OVA but made it more faithful to the manga, would the OVA fans bash this remake because it showed comedic scenes like these?

Exactly. And you know why? Because the director who directed those Kenshin OVA was the same guy who directed HxH 1999 series- Kazuhiro furuhashi. (btw Kenshin's author expressed that he didn't like those OVA.) Kazuhiro took what's essentially an shounen series and imposed his gloomy seinen take on it. I appreciate his bold and unconventional effort and many people liked them. But he basically hijacked someone else's work and overwroted it with his own darker and more melodramatic vision, which in the process sacrificed the original author's voice, the flow of the overarching series's storytelling, distorting the characterization and ultimately changing the core focus of the story.

Kazuhiro almost went even further to try to create his own resolution for the Yorkshin arc - he had it written where both Kurapika and Kuroro died at the end. There's a storyboard and screenplay floating around on the internet where you can see how the writings/frames goes (very melodramatic). HxH's author Togashi of course rejected it. But that shows you how much he's attached to Kurapika's story and pretended that HxH is over after that arc, as he obviously didn't care much for other characters, nor care for the fact that HxH is actually a shounen series where the leading focus should have been on Gon and Killua.

What's annoying for fans of the manga is that, all these people who were introduced to HxH thru the anime insist Kazuhiro's version is the canon, or that it's 'better'. When the new anime series first started, you keep hearing people complain how come the colors are so bright, how come it's not serious, not dark, no tension...etc. But if you come to the series from the manga, you won't feel there's much difference between the new anime and the manga. If you were to compare the general tone, the body/eyes proportion of Gon and Killua to the later where Togashi's drawings are more settled, they're basically the same! In manga, Gon and Killua are portrayed as cute, cheerful and pudgy, and would only appear badass where it needs to be. HxH has always been humorous and fun (with a dark streak and Togashi's odd flavors of course), even at the Chimera arc. Not to mention how cartoony the 12 zodiacs looks.

So this false impression of HxH being 'dark', "serious', etc. came largely from the 1999 series. As a manga fan, I'm glad that we get another adaptation that's more shounen, which is what HxH is.

[thatguy3331]

a real breif offtopic note:

I've started to get into ruroni kenshin, but I want to be as clost to the acctual plot as possible, so should I just go try to find the manga or should I watch certian parts of th anime and certian parts of the manga? to avoid more offtopic posts, just PM me

on topic:

wait both dying? WTH?

as for the york new arc, I always percived it as darker in tone when it was kurapika's scenes, any time gon and killua weren't with the spiders before meeting with killua it was lighter to me, which is a good thing considering I don't like stories that are TOOO depressing without a humor outlet. I can't speak for the anime version, but from clips and pictures I could see that there was a sense of evangelion creepiness to it (particularly the scene where kurapika woke up in a pool of blood, For craps sake I saw FMA brotherhood, but that just disturbed me on the first frame!) If anyone can correct me on anything or enlighten me go ahead.

I'm not really sure what to expect this version of the arc to be to be honst, All I know is that there will be TONS of debating. everytime I hear someone say HxH is the best shonen sereis ever, they always relapse to this arc. I like this arc don't get me wrong, but I honestly think the best arc here was the chimera ant arc, because there was a little bit of everything that made HxH, for me, enjoyable: fights, tidbits of odd/messed up humor, bloody scenes, diffrent approach to handling shonen tropes and habits and etc. plus it was focused on Gon and Killua and their character development (I was worried when they said killua was getting too Ho yay in this arc, but I honestly didn't percive it this way, now that DAMN BUTTERFLY DOUCHE... is another ran- story) I know the art stunk, but I managed to weave through it and look forward to when I can get thison my shelf, wether it be in manga or anime format.

also one last note to that whole "kurapika and kuroro both die at the end and thats it" ordeal, I don't know if its real or not, but that would suck, because I always thought there could be a better version of what york new was doing, giving off a proper end to kurapika's conflict. I dunno if it would be death or not, but having them be dead now would be shame and waste in my opinon.