Hunter x Hunter 311 Discussion

[Uriel]

And it's very likely that He only sacrificed some years, but not all his life. We will see after next chapters. I can't wait for Wednesday!

[kkck]

Next wednesday after this one sadly, no shonen this week :'(

Anyways, I kinda have my doubts about ogn sacrificing just some years...... He got far too much power for such a thing. If I recall, at least in terms of nen amount even netero was inferior to the royal guards (he was superior in skill though). Netero was someone who dedicated 10 years of his life solely to training and praying, absolutely nothing else and even then he did not become a match to the ants in that regard. In turn gon with his techniques actually seemed to get a greater amount of nen than the royal guard... For gon to suddenly get the height of his potential it makes sense for him to give it all up. Not only that but he wanted to get that far.... We also have to consider how long gon's hair was. human hair grows about 6 inches a year.... how many meters and meters worth of hair was there?

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Just to add to the hair bit... gon did not seem very old but in turn we have to remember nen makes you live longer. Gon gained most of his potential for a brief instant, and he his mastery of nen is that of a middle class hunter at the age 12, it would make sense for him to keep his youth for a remarkably long time. Heck, netero was 110 at least and he did not seem to be past his 70s... It would not be strange that the looks gon had when he used his technique would be what he would look like in his 40s or 50s....
has anyone ever done some artwork of what killua would look like if he used such a technique? I would love to see an adult killua lol.

[NoFreakingWay]

You know, you're adding words to make your argument plausible when it's not. I'm done discussing here, since you made up your mind so hardly that you're forcing things. So this is a no end discussion and even if I'm not mod here, I should avoid useless fights.

Have a good time, nice to debate with you.

Huh? When have I added words, then? You are the one adding words. You can't even point out where I'm adding words. All I was doing is making an educated guess or a theory based on how Jairo might be Meleoron, and give some basis on the manga why I was saying so. You however, were clearly twisting and adding words in the manga.

Don't remember how? Let me quote you again to make your folly clear.

You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?

But for me, even if that is the strongest argument that invalidates every single one of all the ones I've read, I pick the cloth as the main hint. As I said, Togashi is lazy.

Now let me bold the words you fabricated in your post to make sure you remember your folly.

You're not reading, seems.
Neo Green Life. Versus. Machines to build. Easy. More?
Jairo created Neo Green Life. Foster Parent had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Not clear enough yet?

But for me, even if that is the strongest argument that invalidates every single one of all the ones I've read, I pick the cloth as the main hint. As I said, Togashi is lazy.

Wow. See? You can search all you can in the manga but you will never see anything about a foster parent [presuambly Peggy or the old guy next door who took care of Jairo] had a NGL book when Meleoron was a kid. Because that information wasn't there in the first place. You made it up or messed up your memory thinking that information was there.

So I just think you made the right decision quitting because it's apparent you're losing the discussion. You can't even quote the manga right, or get facts straight about Togashi being lazy about dressing his villains. You couldn't even support that argument with instances in the manga where Togashi became lazy with his villains' clothing. Good move.

P.S. No one's fighting you. You're the only one here thinking you're fighting someone, or close to fighting someone. I am only posting lengthy posts that bother to quote the manga and give out reasons why I think Jairo is Meleoron.

Next wednesday after this one sadly, no shonen this week :'(

Anyways, I kinda have my doubts about ogn sacrificing just some years...... He got far too much power for such a thing. If I recall, at least in terms of nen amount even netero was inferior to the royal guards (he was superior in skill though). Netero was someone who dedicated 10 years of his life solely to training and praying, absolutely nothing else and even then he did not become a match to the ants in that regard. In turn gon with his techniques actually seemed to get a greater amount of nen than the royal guard... For gon to suddenly get the height of his potential it makes sense for him to give it all up. Not only that but he wanted to get that far.... We also have to consider how long gon's hair was. human hair grows about 6 inches a year.... how many meters and meters worth of hair was there?

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Just to add to the hair bit... gon did not seem very old but in turn we have to remember nen makes you live longer. Gon gained most of his potential for a brief instant, and he his mastery of nen is that of a middle class hunter at the age 12, it would make sense for him to keep his youth for a remarkably long time. Heck, netero was 110 at least and he did not seem to be past his 70s... It would not be strange that the looks gon had when he used his technique would be what he would look like in his 40s or 50s....
has anyone ever done some artwork of what killua would look like if he used such a technique? I would love to see an adult killua lol.

Well Gon sacrificed his talent and probably some years. What's more important there is his talent, which is said to come up in only what? 1 in 100,000,000 people or something? Even if you practiced a lot, it won't necessarily get you as far as other people, like Gon, because he is that talented and rare. So let's say our old friend Zoochi trained nonstop and used Netero's training mindset. Since he's a semi-rare talent, he might get to Netero's, Zeno's or Kuroro's level if he keeps it up all his life. But he'll never get to Gon's peak. He's simply not that kind of talent.

About Killua, he'll probably have hair that looks like Raizen's (Yu Yu Hakusho), but he's probably going to become as muscular as his father, or more.

[Jack Van Burace]

Imo, I don't think he really did waste his youth or talent. Gon was older when he fought Pitou, but he was back to his childish form when he was being carried by Killua (otherwise he was going to be dragged around, not carried).

My opinion is that Gon's feat is still gonna be explained throughfully, and might not be what we think it is. He's intensification type nen user, so perhaps he figured a way to intensify his own body and age momentaneously, and walk and talk like an adult for a brief moment. A grown up body would use his Nen much better than his child body, and we could see something similar to SSJ4 Goku in DBGT, that grew up when using his full powers but remained a child on a daily basis.

The bad part is that Gon wouldn't need this power when he grows up, so it's sort of a null development. As time goes by, this power will become more useless, up to the point where he abandons it to use his Nen into some other skill. Imho, that's what Gon did, not some definitive stuff that would have dire consequences as definitive as losing your talent. Killua might have misinterpreted it.

[kkck]

It wasn't just killua that that thought gon gave up everything, it was also pitou. Pitou was actually glad that gon used that technique against him and not the king since using the technique should already require gon to give up on his future hence gon should not be able to use it against the king. Nen does not work for free, it works under strict rules and for the most part, the condition and pledge thing only gets you as far as the severity of the condition and pledge. Just consider kurapika for instance, he used his special nen to fight evenly with someone who should by all intents and purposes be a extremely high level nen user but in turn he got extremely sick at the very least for several days. Gon didn't just reach the nen level of a strong human, he got nen powerful enough to match a royal guard, someone who more than easily has more than several times the nen of extremely high level human nen users. IMO based on what was said in the manga and what we have seen before, it would not be strange at all if gon's body ended up looking like freaking gollum and completely lost his capacity to use nen. Seriously, how many times stronger did his nen get from the transformation? Gon's nen was at 21500 according to knuckly meaning that if pitou's nen was as strong as yupi's his nen grew at least 30 times its original level... More than that, gon easily trashed the dead terpsycora, and we all know certain conditions can actually make nen stronger after death....

[Franckie]

I was surprised with how decent the artwork was considering Togashi's usual tendencies. I was also wondering if the bomb blast would have lingering repercussions on the King and it seems that'll be the case. Considering Mereum's potential, his death ensures that he doesn't overshadow the remainder of the cast for the rest of the series.

[NoFreakingWay]

Imo, I don't think he really did waste his youth or talent. Gon was older when he fought Pitou, but he was back to his childish form when he was being carried by Killua (otherwise he was going to be dragged around, not carried).

My opinion is that Gon's feat is still gonna be explained throughfully, and might not be what we think it is. He's intensification type nen user, so perhaps he figured a way to intensify his own body and age momentaneously, and walk and talk like an adult for a brief moment. A grown up body would use his Nen much better than his child body, and we could see something similar to SSJ4 Goku in DBGT, that grew up when using his full powers but remained a child on a daily basis.

The bad part is that Gon wouldn't need this power when he grows up, so it's sort of a null development. As time goes by, this power will become more useless, up to the point where he abandons it to use his Nen into some other skill. Imho, that's what Gon did, not some definitive stuff that would have dire consequences as definitive as losing your talent. Killua might have misinterpreted it.

The powerup and the form is just that hard to obtain. You have to be a person of such tremendous potential to even be able to get a powerup like that. PLUS, the powerup runs on a very short time limit. AND, if Killua's and Pitou's hunches are correct, Gon won't be able to use nen again! It's that strict. For me, it's already been explained well. You do not get that powerup just like that. It won't happen to just anybody. It won't happen to Tompa, it won't happen to Nicolas (?) that fat kid who was the first to have failed the Gon-era Hunter Exam. Even if they both have the same intensity of determination. They just don't have the precious talent to be exchanged for the powerup. It's like a certain Taiwanese drama I watched (read about it here, http://wiki.d-addicts.com/The_Pawnshop_No._8). The higher the gain the more precious the requirement. What Gon has is probably enough to warrant him that powerup and not a lot of people can do that.

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@Franckie

In most places IMO the art was still sketchy, and it's still below the level of the things we saw in Chapter 291 (you guys remember that very special chapter?), but definitely way better than the ending chapter of the GI arc. Maybe Togashi saves his strength for the action packed scenes. But I think the art really brought out the atmosphere, especially when he showed like a montage of evils of man and differences between the rich and poor. They're something Niizuma Eiji would kill for to have in his dream manga. I actually think HxH is Eiji's dream manga lol. As for the King survival, well he does overshadow almost everyone in power and intelligence, but I think characters like Knuckle, Morau, and Netero are more interesting than him. Besides IMO its kinda boring to see a character in godmode.

[elitefox]

Now... how will gon get his powers back... that maybe the next arc

since the king will prolly die in a few hours...

[HXH4EVER]

About the poison, I was thinking that perhaps the hunters are already immune to it. If they were planning on using a poweful poison against mereum, perhaps it makes sense to have given the assigned hunters the antidote before hand. It would be troublesome if the hunters sent there were to spread the poison by accident so they were vaccinated beforehand to prevent their death and that of others. Of course this would mean the king kinda has access to the vaccine by ingesting one of the hunters though. Every remaining ant and human there would have a horrible death awaiting them though... They did think the least number of people who would die one way or the other was the 500000 there so its not like things would have gone against their calculations though.

Firstly, it is only logical that the bomb has a range ..and the two royal guards ..and the king were surely exposed to it because they were close ...knowing that the distance between the castle and the explosion site is beyond far ..i suppose that no one besides these 3 wre exposed to the poison ...secondly, why would they make a vaccine to a poison in one of the most deadly and "beloved" bombs ...a poison that works on particul level ... the chairman "netro" has chosen that place not only for his safety (multiple attacks ) ..but for the safety of others ..and for cautiousness ..since he does not really trust the abilities of the team to the fullest ..yet he is not the king to kill his own allies for the sake of getting the slightest chance to kill the king ...therefor ... no one who has not been exposed to the explosion or its aftermath (meaning the shower of deadly gaz and air and smoke) will die .. the only ones to pledge are the king his two servents .... hoping i made my point clear

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A new arc would be welcome ...i suppose that the author will speed up things a bit ..we don't want a look for my powers like bleach ..it would be frustrating ..and long ..we want new adventures ..there are still lot of plotes and misterys ..in HXH for instance the brother of the king/ the quest of kurapika and the ryodan/leorio?/ and the main quest looking for the father ....there is also this jairo thing ..and i can assure cameleon is not jairo but jeiro ...(problem with the translation) (jailro?) ...and there is still lot to be done ..i suppose they will return to greed island to cure gon (get his hand back) ... the author will most likely not repeat the same error of yu yu hakusho ..where the end has become the most claimed one for demotivation and frustration . hope he goes for another 3 or 4 arcs at least

[pirateninjahunter]

Doesn't Gon still have some of the power up left?
Don't you guys think that Gon is the one that will fight the King before the King dies?
I believe that with his power up he is on par with the king. Right?

[NoFreakingWay]

Doesn't Gon still have some of the power up left?
Don't you guys think that Gon is the one that will fight the King before the King dies?
I believe that with his power up he is on par with the king. Right?

Most likely Gon doesn't have the power up anymore. If he still did have the powerup Killua wouldn't have had to carry him on his back.
I don't think the remaining struggles between Hunters and Ants will be composed of nen-based actual fighting. I'm looking forward to much stalling and negotiation for the irradiation to completely kill the King. The King must already have noticed some internal changes and pain, and that will facilitate the discussions.
If Jairo is Meleoron I'm expecting him to immediately conduct some talking to the King when he wakes up. 1 brilliant King versus the brains behind NGL in some talk would be an interesting read for me.
Sure, Uber Gon has a chance against Meryem 2, but the thing is that the fight might not happen at all.