Naruto 559 Discussion

[mad_s]

I just noticed something... What if Tobi is the real Madara even if it seems the real one is dead?

Lemme explain: Muu-sama used a very unique technique, splitting himself into 2. It was steated that this was not a bunshin move, it was a real partition. Maybe his soul was split into 2 pieces as well.

Also, Tobi, as Madara, somewhere lots of chapters ago stated that he just a shadow of what he was before, or something like that, like he was the real deal, Madara, but NOT the same Madara he used to be. MAYBE he used the split jutsu and the one we saw edo tensei'ed was just a part of his soul.

[Thabor]

not totally correct.

Hiragana is used for for all things Japanese
Katakana is used for all things foreign to the Japanese language, they are they same in pronunciation, just different characters.
Kanji is basically Chinese characters, there is about 3000 of them used in Japan?(correct me if I'm wrong)

Regular Japanese mostly uses Kanji in combination with Hiragana, with a bit Katakana sprinkled in. Proper names often are entirely in Kanji. Verbs are usually written with a Kanji stem followed by a hiragana conjugation.

Katakana is generally used for foreign words, unless they have been in use long enough to be considered native. Katakana have a few additional character combinations which allow for a slightly larger range of pronunciation than Hiragana, though they both have the same number of individual characters. In manga it is common to use Katakana for characters given names even when the name is completely Japanese in origin.

There are around 2000 kanji commonly used in newspapers, but there are far more than that in existence. Back when I studied Japanese we were told we would need to learn approximately 7500 to be fully literate. Kanji literally means Chinese character. Both Hiragana and Katakana were derived by taking portions of existing kanji characters and attaching a standard sound to them in an attempt to simplify writing.

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I believe we can rule out many of the more exotic theories of who Tobi is.. According to his discussion with Pein, He intended to obtain the "True Power of the Sharingan" "Uchiha Madara's power".. (He doesn't actually say "My power" in the raw) Rikudo and his two sons aren't too likely to covet powers they they already possessed or exceeded. The Jyuubi isn't likely to envy Madara's power either. Tobi is almost certainly someone who didn't arrive on the scene around Madara's own time or a bit after. I still think the most likely choice is that he was simply one of Madara's hardcore followers, like the guy standing in front of his grave in one of the flashbacks. He doesn't seem to have been as interested in bringing Madara back as in obtaining his power, in this case through manipulating Itachi and Sasuke. He has claimed to be the second Rkiudo, numbering Nagato as the third. I could be persuaded to believe he an Uzumaki gone bad sooner that I would believe he were someone like Izuna. A zetsu clone embedded with a Sharingan is also a distinct possibility..

[donyusufahmed]

Is Madara really immortal? When i mean immortal, can we can send a rasenshuriken straight for his head and he stands up like nothing happens. Am rereading the past chapter, and you be surprised how many people keep calling him immortal. But my guy just got endo tensied and he looks really young.

As for prediction; i see some major ass kicking. Who knows, Kabuto might use Madara to fight Tobi. After all "i didn't just come here without a backup plan. You can't refuse me!"

[TobiHoKage]

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I believe we can rule out many of the more exotic theories of who Tobi is.. According to his discussion with Pein, He intended to obtain the "True Power of the Sharingan" "Uchiha Madara's power".. (He doesn't actually say "My power" in the raw) Rikudo and his two sons aren't too likely to covet powers they they already possessed or exceeded. The Jyuubi isn't likely to envy Madara's power either. Tobi is almost certainly someone who didn't arrive on the scene around Madara's own time or a bit after. I still think the most likely choice is that he was simply one of Madara's hardcore followers, like the guy standing in front of his grave in one of the flashbacks. He doesn't seem to have been as interested in bringing Madara back as in obtaining his power, in this case through manipulating Itachi and Sasuke. He has claimed to be the second Rkiudo, numbering Nagato as the third. I could be persuaded to believe he an Uzumaki gone bad sooner that I would believe he were someone like Izuna. A zetsu clone embedded with a Sharingan is also a distinct possibility..

I also agree, it make no sense if he is one of the Rkiuod sons, to me he is a non-uchiha, probably from mist.
If he is an uchiha, Izuna is on the list. Either he some how survived or He was the one who took Madaras eye from first place ... and tricked everybody ( Iizuna means fox spirit if i am right, and So-called Madara was the one who controlled kyuubi and was praised by kyubbi as one with chackra sinner than him. )
Anyhow I dont think Madara had a son, at that time, nor was he enough perverted to make a senju girl out of 1st DNA, and marry her .... and make Black Zetsu / Tobi out of it.

Lets see the confirmed spoilers when they are out .... and then we discuss more .

[M3J]

I do think Madara aged quite a bit. Look at when he attacked Senju - Madara looked quite young. To me, ET Madara looks different, older and more seasoned. It looks like the years did pass before Madara died after his fight with Hashirama at Valley of the End.

If you see Tobi's eyes clearly, you can see the bags under his right eye. Edo Tensei Madara, last known image of living Madara, and young Madara all have bags under their eyes. Izuna however, didn't. It likely can't be Izuna, although it wouldn't be impossible for him to get bags under his eyes as the decades progressed.

[IChallengeYou!]

Where have you been the past 10 chapters or so?
Previous kages proved to be a 'real deal' to fight with <Sandaime Raikage & Nidaime Mizukage that is - I'm not counting Yondaime Kazekage>, Muu is not out yet so he can still do some serious shit. Between all of that Nagato has shown great performance, as well as Itachi <who isn't out yet>. Frankly speaking the past 10 chapters or so were great with ET zombies living to their 'hype'.

Edo-Tensei has _NOT_ proved to be the "real deal" to fight against; every single one of them failed miserably, with Gaara's dad just sitting on the "Biggest Loser" throne like a boss.

Muu being still "alive" doesn't mean that he's going to do anything bigger than he has done previously. He's now being used to summon the big guy, the boss, the Holy Grail...of utter disappointment and incompetence. That's his job now. Everything else he has done before didn't exactly accomplish anything as well.

Nagato is probably the biggest exception to this yet, but he has also failed without accomplishing anything.

Itachi hasn't done much, but he will too share the same, unfortunate fate of all ET's...that they suck.

The past 10 chapters didn't really differ from the 10 chapters before them, too. As someone said on this forum before, "this story is cardboard thin".

Aside from that: if I compare ET zombie Hashirama back then to ET Madara nowadays, I don't see much happening aside from seeing maybe baby some EMS usage and killing some fodders..

Well gee, thanks for agreeing with me.

[mattiaildivino]

Maybe Naruto could sense his bad intentions.

No,naruto couldn't sense Muu when he splitted because ha has got no presence http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/525 . without chakra,sensor ninjas can't sense him,and without presence,not even naruto,the one who senses bad feelings,can sense him.i HOPE you understand

[apainlessend]

I have another Theory.....
Madara could have just as well used SHARINGAN to copy ZETSU'S SPLIT JUTSU.
Which would explain how they could be two in the same

[mattiaildivino]

nope,zetsu was created by tobi using hashirama's cells. and since in chapter 560 it was said that madara knew tobi,they can't be the same person. now,it's obvious that tobi is someone else.

[Omnion_1990]

No,naruto couldn't sense Muu when he splitted because ha has got no presence http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/525 . without chakra,sensor ninjas can't sense him,and without presence,not even naruto,the one who senses bad feelings,can sense him.i HOPE you understand

no the reason naruto couldnt sense muu in his kyuubi mode is simply because Muu wasnt THINKING evil thought, or has an evil aura. he is a puppet being used, and still has his consciousness, he didnt choose to fight them.

naruto mode can only detect the "evil thought" within the enemy. whereas his sage mode has a HUGE RANGE (hes literally connected to the natural world in senin mode almost how zetsu senses) and can sense chakra. now because muu has no chakra (dont see how that works) or has a technique to permanently hide his chakra his sennin mode wouldnt have sensed it.

[mattiaildivino]

no the reason naruto couldnt sense muu in his kyuubi mode is simply because Muu wasnt THINKING evil thought, or has an evil aura. he is a puppet being used, and still has his consciousness, he didnt choose to fight them.

naruto mode can only detect the "evil thought" within the enemy. whereas his sage mode has a HUGE RANGE (hes literally connected to the natural world in senin mode almost how zetsu senses) and can sense chakra. now because muu has no chakra (dont see how that works) or has a technique to permanently hide his chakra his sennin mode wouldnt have sensed it.

I disagree,Kabuto said muu hadn't got no presence and no chakra.then not even mito uzumaki or RM naruto can sense him. perhaps you are right,but unless kishi explains how it works,I believe muu wasn't sensed by naruto because of his no-presence. actually,it's just your hypothesi that muu wasn't thinking.