Bleach 468 Discussion

[kanamechidori]

You know what I want to see?

Tsukishima cutting Byakuya
Tsukishima turning to Ichigo and the others, asking byakuya to help him cut them down...
Then Byakuya telling him that he pledged to uphold the laws of the seireitei and would rather kill his closest friend than break his vow

You know like the same reason he was going to let rukia get executed.

[DEATHBOTT]

tsukishima's abiltiy makes no sense. with humans he just made them remember him in their past but now he can actually change the past of objects.

[Sky Render]

This "Tite Kubo is a troll" thing is getting really, really old.

This chapter was brilliant. Both in art, composition, pacing and overall tones. Much better than the two previous ones.

Haters gonna hate. This week's Jump is really great

---------- Post added at 09:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 PM ----------

tsukishima's abiltiy makes no sense. with humans he just made them remember him in their past but now he can actually change the past of objects.

Byakuya's ability makes no sense. He can order his sword to fly around and cut people.
Hitsugaya's ability makes no sense. He can control the weather.
Kyoraku's ability makes no sense. He can warp space in order to make a children's game real.
Orihime's ability makes no sense. She can fucking warp reality itself.

And so on.

Tuskishima himself already said that his ability allows him to "actually be there". We all thought he was just fucking with Ichigo and that Book of the End relies on memory loss, but it doesn't. Tsukishima can rewrite the story of any person or object he stabs with his Fullbring. That's that. He can do whatever he wants to the object he has struck, as if he had been there before.

The question is: if he stabs a person, can he "write" that he has "poisoned someone before so he is now dying", for instance? That means Tsuki wins as soon as he lands a blow. Being the prick that he is, I can picture himself making Byakuya his friend instead of just killing him like that, but given that he can alter the object's past at will (looking at what happened with Chad and Orihime), he could do it anytime.

If the scenario of "I'm killing you because you're the enemy of the law even though you are my friend" takes place (which I doubt and hope it doesn't happen since Byakuya is not supposed to be that sort of man anymore), Byakuya better kills him soon before Tsuki rewrites his past in the fashion that I mentioned before.

In short, if Byakuya gets cut by Book of The End I'll need a very good explanation about how the hell is Byakuya supposed to win.

But this chapter was good.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Wow, great art and flow of chapter.

Tsukishima is even more haxed that we thought xD

So, is Shishigawara going to die or survive?

Honestly I think that the only ones that will die are Yukio, Tsukishima and Ginjo (plus the dead guy). I believe Jackie somehow got saved by Renji. Riruka won't be dying and this chapter kinda implies that Shishigawara won't die as well...

Now, either that Byakuya is the real one and he didn't get stabbed by using Yoruichi's technique, or he somehow blocked it with Kido.

Or it isn't the real one, lets say that he somehow gained a new ability with Senbonzakura like the one Hitsugaya has in which he makes an Ice Clone, but this instead would be Senbonzakura's petals refracting light and reflecting Byakuya.

Or he was stabbed and will be an enemy and Kenpachi gets to fight him

[exacta]

tsukishima's abiltiy makes no sense. with humans he just made them remember him in their past but now he can actually change the past of objects.

Makes enough sense IMO. The whole point of Fullbring is that every object in the world has a soul too. It seems a little whacky at first, but I basically think of it as like alchemy. His powers also deal with memories/history and altering it, and it's been made clear that memories are attached to alot more than just people, such as Ichigo's badge, and now even the roof of mansion.

It's an ability thats very out there and seems pretty unique to me, but it makes enough sense for a shounen.

This chapter was amazing. The way Tsukishima toyed with Byakuya at the beginning by cutting the leaf and then touching the floor with his blade, and asking Byakuya if he thought any of the above actions had any purpose. It was as if Tsukishima was talking to the readers himself in that moment, because I had no idea what he was doing at that point(don't read spoilers anymore). It was pretty cool, gotta say I like Tsukishima's style. And Tsukishima is a damn smart guy. Clearly by himself without his ability he can't counteract Senbonzakura. But although his ability is hax, he really knows how to use it. Gotta give him points, Tsukishima is clever.

Moe, Tsukishima and Chad at the moment redeem the capabilities of a Fullbring User. They've proven that Fullbring CAN pose a threat to shinigami and probably hollow, it just depends on the human. Xcution doesn't seem to be a group like the Espada who are all generally in the same league of power. Tsukishima seems to be a real fighter, I wonder what his background his.

I wonder if Byakuya will actually lose....his track record is pretty good, and for Tsukishima, it seems like theres alot more to him in terms of plot relevancy that has yet to be revealed, so he may need to live on for awhile. Plus, Tsukishima now apparently knows Byakuya's fighting style like the back of his hand, so he probably has a big advantage right now.

Oh and Ikkaku's speech was badass. Just like Hitsugaya, Ikkaku used his battle to show how he's grown over the 17 months. The way Ikkaku respects Kenpachi and the way Moe respects Tsukishima is very similiar, but it seems Ikkaku respects Kenpachi in a different way now, whereas Moe respects Tsukishima in a manner much more close to the way Ikkaku did 17 months ago.

[Exodi]

Makes enough sense IMO. The whole point of Fullbring is that every object in the world has a soul too. It seems a little whacky at first, but I basically think of it as like alchemy. His powers also deal with memories/history and altering it, and it's been made clear that memories are attached to alot more than just people, such as Ichigo's badge, and now even the roof of mansion.

It's an ability thats very out there and seems pretty unique to me, but it makes enough sense for a shounen.

This chapter was amazing. The way Tsukishima toyed with Byakuya at the beginning by cutting the leaf and then touching the floor with his blade, and asking Byakuya if he thought any of the above actions had any purpose. It was as if Tsukishima was talking to the readers himself in that moment, because I had no idea what he was doing at that point(don't read spoilers anymore). It was pretty cool, gotta say I like Tsukishima's style. And Tsukishima is a damn smart guy. Clearly by himself without his ability he can't counteract Senbonzakura. But although his ability is hax, he really knows how to use it. Gotta give him points, Tsukishima is clever.

Moe, Tsukishima and Chad at the moment redeem the capabilities of a Fullbring User. They've proven that Fullbring CAN pose a threat to shinigami and probably hollow, it just depends on the human. Xcution doesn't seem to be a group like the Espada who are all generally in the same league of power. Tsukishima seems to be a real fighter, I wonder what his background his.

I wonder if Byakuya will actually lose....his track record is pretty good, and for Tsukishima, it seems like theres alot more to him in terms of plot relevancy that has yet to be revealed, so he may need to live on for awhile. Plus, Tsukishima now apparently knows Byakuya's fighting style like the back of his hand, so he probably has a big advantage right now.

Oh and Ikkaku's speech was badass. Just like Hitsugaya, Ikkaku used his battle to show how he's grown over the 17 months. The way Ikkaku respects Kenpachi and the way Moe respects Tsukishima is very similiar, but it seems Ikkaku respects Kenpachi in a different way now, whereas Moe respects Tsukishima in a manner much more close to the way Ikkaku did 17 months ago.

I was about to complain about Tsukishima's ability until I read that sentence. I'd completely forgotten the very basics of Fullbring.
It is an interesting ability, indeed. Still, I doubt Byakuya's been cut that easily.

What's more amazing to me is that Kubo's artwork still excites me, even after all of the time I've spent reading this manga.

[Sky Render]

What's more amazing to me is that Kubo's artwork still excites me, even after all of the time I've spent reading this manga.

Dude, Tite Kubo is not the best writer out there, not even the best artist. But he's the best comic artist I know (in the world, not only in the manga world) when it comes to panel composition. The way he uses tones and leaves empty, blank spaces just where it is needed. The combination of rough inking with soft shades. The strength, the feeling of movement, momentum and the pacing of the dialogue.

He is one hell of a graphic artist. That's the true strong point of the Trollmaster.

[cracker]

Makes enough sense IMO. The whole point of Fullbring is that every object in the world has a soul too. It seems a little whacky at first, but I basically think of it as like alchemy. His powers also deal with memories/history and altering it, and it's been made clear that memories are attached to alot more than just people, such as Ichigo's badge, and now even the roof of mansion.

It's an ability thats very out there and seems pretty unique to me, but it makes enough sense for a shounen.

This chapter was amazing. The way Tsukishima toyed with Byakuya at the beginning by cutting the leaf and then touching the floor with his blade, and asking Byakuya if he thought any of the above actions had any purpose. It was as if Tsukishima was talking to the readers himself in that moment, because I had no idea what he was doing at that point(don't read spoilers anymore). It was pretty cool, gotta say I like Tsukishima's style. And Tsukishima is a damn smart guy. Clearly by himself without his ability he can't counteract Senbonzakura. But although his ability is hax, he really knows how to use it. Gotta give him points, Tsukishima is clever.

Moe, Tsukishima and Chad at the moment redeem the capabilities of a Fullbring User. They've proven that Fullbring CAN pose a threat to shinigami and probably hollow, it just depends on the human. Xcution doesn't seem to be a group like the Espada who are all generally in the same league of power. Tsukishima seems to be a real fighter, I wonder what his background his.

I wonder if Byakuya will actually lose....his track record is pretty good, and for Tsukishima, it seems like theres alot more to him in terms of plot relevancy that has yet to be revealed, so he may need to live on for awhile. Plus, Tsukishima now apparently knows Byakuya's fighting style like the back of his hand, so he probably has a big advantage right now.

Oh and Ikkaku's speech was badass. Just like Hitsugaya, Ikkaku used his battle to show how he's grown over the 17 months. The way Ikkaku respects Kenpachi and the way Moe respects Tsukishima is very similiar, but it seems Ikkaku respects Kenpachi in a different way now, whereas Moe respects Tsukishima in a manner much more close to the way Ikkaku did 17 months ago.

I'll give you the bold part. The thing is inserting one's presence in a person's past is one thing, but the way it translated with the trap he set is where I'm kinda lost with logic.

I guess I could come up with a way how it works, kinda. He placed his presence in the ground's past and manipulated the soul, which resulted in the trap. What I find strange is that he accomplished the task seemingly without physically being there. Then how could he set a trap with altering the object's past without some physical manipulation?

[raderack]

One thing just pop in my mind..
What is exactly Byakuya zanpaktou power? create fast energy clones of itself that moves at ultra speed,that appears like flowers?
Just that? Really?
He is the most powerfull head of one of noble families ever...for me..we will see the full extend power of his zanpaktou,and his own power soon..
Just a quick remember,he was trained by Yoruichi Shihōin..(part of it)..so in speed..reflex..a human with powers surpass he(whitout a explanation....i doubt).
Even if he now known his tecniques..he will be able to dodge millions of zanpaktous coming from all directions? A human?(so he will be move faster than Yoruichi? really?)

[The Newbie.]

I don't really understand how 99.999% of the readers think that Byakuya should win only because he is a captain, so he is faster and stronger than Tsukishima. OF COURSE HE IS STRONGER AND FASTER THAN TSUKISHIMA, you just want to turn this clash of "Serious, responsible noble that follows tropes by the book" and "Unbelievably trollish, genre-sawy satirical bastard" into a dick-waving powerlevel contest of strength. It is not supposed to be like that, Giriko already died like Tesla because everybody wanted action. Let Tsukishima win because he has already replaced Aizen as the biggest troll of history forever and he is so damn overpowered in a special way, not Byakuya because everybody knows him.

[cracker]

I mostly wanted Byakuya to win because I like the character (most people here do) and he's pretty strong. I figure more than likely Tsukishima could hold his own, I'm glad he's putting up resistance. Hopefully he doesn't get troll next chapter

LOL I can imagine all the fanboys and girls ripping their hair out. Depending how the next chapter goes I'm making some match-ups in the fight section lol

[Sky Render]

It would be cool if he actually managed to get Byakuya on his side. I mean, looks like Hitsugaya is gonna get the multi-dimension problem solved, so maybe they'lll be up for some infighting...

Nah, Byakuya's gonna win and everyone should be prepared for it. He's a fan favorite and Kubo is not in the mood to risk anything else in the rankings, I'm afraid.

[Exodi]

Dude, Tite Kubo is not the best writer out there, not even the best artist. But he's the best comic artist I know (in the world, not only in the manga world) when it comes to panel composition. The way he uses tones and leaves empty, blank spaces just where it is needed. The combination of rough inking with soft shades. The strength, the feeling of movement, momentum and the pacing of the dialogue.

He is one hell of a graphic artist. That's the true strong point of the Trollmaster.

I.....couldn't have said it better myself. I wish I wrote all that, because that's pretty much everything I meant.

[cracker]

It would be cool if he actually managed to get Byakuya on his side. I mean, looks like Hitsugaya is gonna get the multi-dimension problem solved, so maybe they'lll be up for some infighting...

Nah, Byakuya's gonna win and everyone should be prepared for it. He's a fan favorite and Kubo is not in the mood to risk anything else in the rankings, I'm afraid.

I'm prepared for this. But I'm hoping the norm doesn't happen and he surprises us lol

[Exodi]

One thing just pop in my mind..
What is exactly Byakuya zanpaktou power? create fast energy clones of itself that moves at ultra speed,that appears like flowers?
Just that? Really?
He is the most powerfull head of one of noble families ever...for me..we will see the full extend power of his zanpaktou,and his own power soon..
Just a quick remember,he was trained by Yoruichi Shihōin..(part of it)..so in speed..reflex..a human with powers surpass he(whitout a explanation....i doubt).
Even if he now known his tecniques..he will be able to dodge millions of zanpaktous coming from all directions? A human?(so he will be move faster than Yoruichi? really?)

Byakuya's Senbonzakura seperates the single blade of his katana into 1,000 smaller blades that resemble sakura petals because of the way they reflect light. His Bankai is essentially that, but......a lot more little blades. So, really, Byakuya is controlling a bunch of little blades.