Bleach 468 Discussion

[Codejunky]

+This is basically the same thing as when Byakuya fought that one espada. Tsukishima hit one petal? There's no way he'll be able to control 1 million, let alone 1000.

Even if he can't use his sword he'll just use kido and if he gets stabbed it'll just be a shunpo clone.

[fairiehearts]

Finally a FB with some real power! Tsukishima's ability is really messed up I had thought it just messed up memories, but it actually physically puts him in the past?

I wished Ikkaku would've killed the annoying pest. I really didn't want (think) any of the FB to survive, except riruka. And prob ginjo as the lackey of the next (&final?) big villain of bleach.

[Toby_Temple]

Looks like my prediction is going to happen next chapter. Crap! Byakuya is going to attack his comrades soon!

[DarkBankai]

Ok guys,

My work computer sucks so I waited to make this post from home.

my thoughts on this chapter?!@ WTF!@#@

~why~

Because Tsukishima ability is even more hax than I realized. AND also, I was wrong in calling that byakuya wouldnt get touched. Thus the haxness of the ability.

So If I read the chapter correctly, and I sort of hope I didnt, But Tsukishima went to the mansion at some point prior to this battle, and used his ability to cut the surface of the roof. and stored some bullshit memories inside or whatever, so that whomever is unfortunate enough to step on that tile, its like they got cut with his sword? OK this does not make full sense, because there was no cut involved. BYAKUYA HAS SHOES ON!???

Also If you have the abliity to booby trap inanimate objects, then why not stab a crap load of b.b. pellets, and just have a full auto memory mind F@#$ spray gun?!

This additional haxness....has hopefully only one purpose, to show that byakuya will kill anyone from his memory if it is in SS interest. so while he might get effected by the ability, I bet he is also willing to sacrifice anyones memory that tsuki tries to overwrite in his mind.


as for the rest of the chapter, I feel ripped off, the Tsuki byakuya fight was so brief and with such a cliffhanger, I am bummed I have to wait a whole week to read the next bit.

~~on the bright side, The Anime is now caught up with the beginning of this arc, and I am looking forward to seeing these chapters animated. !!!! ^_^

[exacta]

Ok guys,

My work computer sucks so I waited to make this post from home.

my thoughts on this chapter?!@ WTF!@#@

~why~

Because Tsukishima ability is even more hax than I realized. AND also, I was wrong in calling that byakuya wouldnt get touched. Thus the haxness of the ability.

So If I read the chapter correctly, and I sort of hope I didnt, But Tsukishima went to the mansion at some point prior to this battle, and used his ability to cut the surface of the roof. and stored some bullshit memories inside or whatever, so that whomever is unfortunate enough to step on that tile, its like they got cut with his sword? OK this does not make full sense, because there was no cut involved. BYAKUYA HAS SHOES ON!???

Also If you have the abliity to booby trap inanimate objects, then why not stab a crap load of b.b. pellets, and just have a full auto memory mind F@#$ spray gun?!

This additional haxness....has hopefully only one purpose, to show that byakuya will kill anyone from his memory if it is in SS interest. so while he might get effected by the ability, I bet he is also willing to sacrifice anyones memory that tsuki tries to overwrite in his mind.


as for the rest of the chapter, I feel ripped off, the Tsuki byakuya fight was so brief and with such a cliffhanger, I am bummed I have to wait a whole week to read the next bit.

~~on the bright side, The Anime is now caught up with the beginning of this arc, and I am looking forward to seeing these chapters animated. !!!! ^_^

It's not that Tsukishima set that trap up a long time ago before this battle. At the beginning of the chapter. Tsukishima cut a leaf, and asked if it there was any point to that to Byakuya. Then he dragged his sword across the ground, and asked Byakuya the same question.

When Tsukishima touched the ground with his sword, he inserted his presence into the memory of the roof, and rewrote it so that a long time ago he set up a trap there, so when Byakuya stepped on it, it would activate. It's not that Tsukishima actually did this years ago, it's that Book of the End can change physical objects if it's ability is used on them by rewriting its history.

And by slashing one of Byakuya's petals, he learned all of Byakuya's techniques, so now he can counter his attacks. As for the leaf, I don't know why he did that, I think he was just trolling.

[union98]

And by slashing one of Byakuya's petals, he learned all of Byakuya's techniques, so now he can counter his attacks. As for the leaf, I don't know why he did that, I think he was just trolling.

You have to appreciate the sheer haxness of it all though...And as much as I hate to bring up Aizen, at least Aizen's abilities were consistent with the rules and laws of the manga. I think where some people have issue is that there seems to be no limit to what he can do. People bring up Orihime, but really, what has Orihime done that's been absurdly haxed? And how often has she been overpowered...Tsuki on the other hand...I'll give him being able to insert his influence on people's minds by stabbing them...ok, I can accept that. What I'm having difficulty with is this:

1. So he can stab an inanimate object and rewrite the history of that object as if he's been there without actually being there? That makes no sense. So he's essentially going back in time to physically manipulate something so that today it takes effect. What if someone else had stepped on that very spot the day before and triggered the trap already. Would it still work?

2. So not only can he insert his influence on objects, but he also gains knowledge about the things he stabs? So if he slices a person, does he get all of there memories and abilities etc.? So by slicing senbonzakura, he automatically has all of Byakuya's 100 plus years of fighting ability memorized? There's gotta be some kind of limit. I mean, at least we learned that touching Aizen's sword before releasing it canceled out the ability.

So I wonder if he knows Yoruichi's trick of wrapping a cloth around the sword before Byakuya releases it to stop zenbonsakura?

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On a side note...it'd be cool if Byakuya could master the ability to control one petal...that way he could distract someone with the other 999,999 petals and sneak the one petal down someone's throat and attack them from the inside...it'd be a different and creative use of his ability.

[cracker]

It's not that Tsukishima set that trap up a long time ago before this battle. At the beginning of the chapter. Tsukishima cut a leaf, and asked if it there was any point to that to Byakuya. Then he dragged his sword across the ground, and asked Byakuya the same question.

When Tsukishima touched the ground with his sword, he inserted his presence into the memory of the roof, and rewrote it so that a long time ago he set up a trap there, so when Byakuya stepped on it, it would activate. It's not that Tsukishima actually did this years ago, it's that Book of the End can change physical objects if it's ability is used on them by rewriting its history.

And by slashing one of Byakuya's petals, he learned all of Byakuya's techniques, so now he can counter his attacks. As for the leaf, I don't know why he did that, I think he was just trolling.

I still find it weird that his presence can go back and set traps.

@union 98

Orihime has brought back characters from death (non existence). Thats pretty high up on hax scale. And technically all she needs is the willpower to kill and Tsubaki becomes no laughing matter.

[union98]

The only way Byakuya is going to win is either if someone like Kenpachi shows up to help or for him to do something completely new and think outside the box which for him doesn't seem to be easy...I also don't understand how knowing all of someone's ability means you automatically win. I mean, I don't think it matters all that much if the person you're fighting is a lot stronger than you. Someone could know all of Genryusai's abilities and fighting tactics, but he's absurdly strong and you don't necessarily know when he's going to use which ability or tactic. But I'm probably thinking about this too logically...this is Kubo after all so anything's possible...

I obviously had MH withdrawl today...glad the site is back up...

[The Newbie.]

The only way Byakuya is going to win is either if someone like Kenpachi shows up to help or for him to do something completely new and think outside the box which for him doesn't seem to be easy...I also don't understand how knowing all of someone's ability means you automatically win. I mean, I don't think it matters all that much if the person you're fighting is a lot stronger than you. Someone could know all of Genryusai's abilities and fighting tactics, but he's absurdly strong and you don't necessarily know when he's going to use which ability or tactic. But I'm probably thinking about this too logically...this is Kubo after all so anything's possible...

I obviously had MH withdrawl today...glad the site is back up...

Byakuya's Zenbonsakura can be stopped by either holding the blade in place or stopping the arm grabbing the hilt from moving, and that is exactly what Tsukishima did. I think there are 3 examples in the manga, let me see if I can find them.

This is Ukitake saving Ganjou just by holding Byakuya's arm:
http://www.mangareader.net/94-570-39...apter-116.html
This is Yoruichi stopping Byakuya's shikai just by keeping the blade in place.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-571-19...apter-117.html
Renji stops the sword too just by touching it. Pretty much an offensive version of Kyoka Suigetsu: Touch it and it won't work anymore.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-594-18...apter-140.html

[abyozuu]

can tsukishima transfer his book of the end powers to the petals of senbon zakura? if yes that would exponentially amplify his abilities. even being sliced by a mere petal will leave opponent to tsukishima's mercy and tsukishima can control people as much as the number of petals.

[Blood Moon]

@ The Newbie.

Nice theory. But Tsukishima grabbed Byakuya's left arm, not the right arm that was holding the blade.

Also, on http://www.mangareader.net/94-595-12...apter-141.html Renji's bankai was holding Byakuya's sword in place yet he still performed his shikai.

[wooticus]

we're in an really interesting situation right now i guess. it's still unclear whether tsukishimas abilities are reverted when he gets killed - so it wasn't totally clear that byakuya would own him. On the other side i could imagine byakuya winning by kido or just.. inventing a new technique he never used right out of nowhere.

As for tsukishimas ability.. well inserting him into the past of something non-living feels odd to me. So it's more like returning into the past. So he can control everything of everything he touches with his sword? Book of the end.. it just feels like his FB ability turns the history of something it touches into a book - and then tsuki writes himself into it.

If byakuya really will be turned over to FB side this will be the greatest fanservice ever because we might see kenpachi battling him.. but that won't happen.. they can't get out of this pocket dimension without killing each other (byakuya and tsuki) and we know that byakuya won't get killed..

[jaymizzo]

we're in an really interesting situation right now i guess. it's still unclear whether tsukishimas abilities are reverted when he gets killed - so it wasn't totally clear that byakuya would own him. On the other side i could imagine byakuya winning by kido or just.. inventing a new technique he never used right out of nowhere.

As for tsukishimas ability.. well inserting him into the past of something non-living feels odd to me. So it's more like returning into the past. So he can control everything of everything he touches with his sword? Book of the end.. it just feels like his FB ability turns the history of something it touches into a book - and then tsuki writes himself into it.

If byakuya really will be turned over to FB side this will be the greatest fanservice ever because we might see kenpachi battling him.. but that won't happen.. they can't get out of this pocket dimension without killing each other (byakuya and tsuki) and we know that byakuya won't get killed..

Even if Tsukishima somehow subdues or injures byakuya, he still has Urahara and Isshin to deal with lol

[carcina]

I wonder, when Tsukishima hits zankpatou, does he learn tehniques that even the user doesnt know about, or just the ones the user already used, if he learns all, imagine him hitting Kenpachis sword, and say HOLLY SHIT i better pack my shit up and get out og here haha, I wonder will Byakuya think he is Tsukishimas friend for a long time, and still not give ahit and continue to fight him since he insulted his pride, and we all know about Byakuya pride from his speech to Ichigo when they fought on Sokyoku hill.

[union98]

Why didn't Tsukishima just stab Ichigo's sword when they fought? http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/457/9 It doesn't seem like it just has to be a zanpakto. Maybe because Ichigo was in fullbring and hadn't really used the ability, it had no history therefore there was no place for Tsuki to insert himself...I don't know. Just a guess.