The Breaker : New Waves 47 Discussion / 48 Predictions

[NAM61]

so sera did tell shiwoon i thought she would hide it from him. hope he gets to the battle next chapter and the pills she gave him are like the one the Doc gave him. time to see how much he has improved with his mind training.

[bighawke5]

u guys aren't mentioning the important thing, like the chapter is so much longer this time!

Still pissed/confused that Ji-gun would call for Shioon as back up to help Jinie(when he knows shioon can't fight that bitch. WHY not ask Sera for help?)
anyhow i wont disscuss till i get somekind of translation.

[kidopitz27]

are those pills the enhance version of the Dan the doctor gave to shioon?

if yes then all S.U.C will just attack Shioon more why?
because they really thought that his Ki center is damage and cannot be repaired and

they will think that he already fixed his Ki center and because like Sera said to Shioon they want Shioon dead because he is the one and only disciple that GMR trained by himself

and also Kang-sung already acknowledge Shioon as a Dragon(though they Kang sung said it when he fight shioon) and even the old lady said how powerful Shioon is

and more likely in the next chapter Shioon will beat the Bitch Goth girl in one swoop like Shioon mentioned to Sera when he is in meditation he tried to use some skills he didn't use when his ki center is not broken i hope to see

1. Soul Crushing Strike (more powerful version)
2. Thunder Smashing Strike
3. Double Dragon Chain Dance (Yi Gyu-Bum use it to attack Shioon on part 1) you will never know Shioon can learn Techs after Seeing it or Experiencing what it feels like to be hit so you will never know
4.Thousand Flower Strike again you will never know or we will be surprised if he use this one
5. and also the skill the one with shades use to knock out using Acu-point

and also in chapter 39 shioon said that he can't resist when he see something wrong/weird (maybe he will soon discover what sera is hiding from him)

[shakes12]

http://www.filesonic.co.nz/file/2562...Chapter_47.zip

[NoSalvation]

are those pills the enhance version of the Dan the doctor gave to shioon?

if yes then all S.U.C will just attack Shioon more why?
because they really thought that his Ki center is damage and cannot be repaired and

they will think that he already fixed his Ki center and because like Sera said to Shioon they want Shioon dead because he is the one and only disciple that GMR trained by himself

and also Kang-sung already acknowledge Shioon as a Dragon(though they Kang sung said it when he fight shioon) and even the old lady said how powerful Shioon is

and more likely in the next chapter Shioon will beat the Bitch Goth girl in one swoop like Shioon mentioned to Sera when he is in meditation he tried to use some skills he didn't use when his ki center is not broken i hope to see

1. Soul Crushing Strike (more powerful version)
2. Thunder Smashing Strike
3. Double Dragon Chain Dance (Yi Gyu-Bum use it to attack Shioon on part 1) you will never know Shioon can learn Techs after Seeing it or Experiencing what it feels like to be hit so you will never know
4.Thousand Flower Strike again you will never know or we will be surprised if he use this one
5. and also the skill the one with shades use to knock out using Acu-point

and also in chapter 39 shioon said that he can't resist when he see something wrong/weird (maybe he will soon discover what sera is hiding from him)

Lets not forget he also has the black heaven and earth technique that was left on his phone for him as well. Which Im curious about since it doesn't use ki techniques. You would just need to have a ki center to get it started then it would run on its own until you ran out of ki at least thats how Ive interpreted it. So it could possibly go beyond the limitations of the medicine. Of course the downside is your'e basically bat**** crazy the whole time but it would be awesome to see how that would work.

[svyatoslav]

God I really hate Sera, why is Shioon letting her manipulate him like this, he is usually smarter than that. I hope he knocks some common sense into that calculating b**** when he finds out about his mom. /rant

Anyway, looks like a showdown between the 5 leaders and a coalition of anti-SUC forces is coming. So far it is Smiling Blade, Shioon, Jini. That's only 3 so some others will probably join. Ha-Ill is probably the one that Sera will contact when SUC big guns come out. Perhaps somebody from the Martial Alliance will come as well and perhaps the fox guy (Southern Red Star).

[Hiro Hayase]

God I really hate Sera, why is Shioon letting her manipulate him like this, he is usually smarter than that. I hope he knocks some common sense into that calculating b**** when he finds out about his mom. /rant

Anyway, looks like a showdown between the 5 leaders and a coalition of anti-SUC forces is coming. So far it is Smiling Blade, Shioon, Jini. That's only 3 so some others will probably join. Ha-Ill is probably the one that Sera will contact when SUC big guns come out. Perhaps somebody from the Martial Alliance will come as well and perhaps the fox guy (Southern Red Star).

I highly doubt that Sera will back-stab (if that's what your trying to say) Shioon since her master has acknowledged him and she has decided to gamble her "murim chip" on him. Sera's like an adviser/manager to Shioon now, so I fail to see how Sera is still manipulating Shioon. Care to elaborate some more?

The main reason why Sera didn't tell Shioon about his mother in critical condition was because she didn't want to distract him from training. Not many people people have the ability to stay calm when they learn that their mother is in critical condition. Can you guarantee that Shioon , raised by a single mother all his life, will not be disturbed by the sudden news? Also what can Shioon do if he finds out, his situation would have become much worse? Best to leave Shioon's mother to Sera for the moment, since she owns the hospital.

Plus, Sera is not heartless since she was the one who brought Shioon's mother to her own hospital, which implies that this patient's health will be prioritized under Sera's watch. Sera just couldn't find an opportune moment to break the news to Shioon yet since he has far too much on his plate right now. That example shows how Sera is tactful.




P.S. Shioon is learning murim common sense from Sera, the teacher. There is concrete evidence that shows Sera is on Shioon's side, and is not using him. Well you could easily say Shioon is using Sera, while Sera is using Shioon. Sera's not using Shioon as a puppet like the Sunwoo clan elders, but more like a equal. A mutual relationship that benefits both of them.

[svyatoslav]

While I'm sure she won't back-stab Shioon in the full sense of the word, she is still using him for her own ends (she even admitted to it, why he didn't press her for more answers at that time is something I would consider a plot-hole). In addition, her real objective in "helping" Shioon is obviously not as simple as she lets on. Everything she is doing for him, she is doing purely out of her own selfish reasons and she never once really considered what's best for "him" or "his" feelings.

Sera prioritizes her objective above everything else. For example, the thing with his mom, obviously telling him as soon as possible would be the best course of action for "Shioon" because to him family and friends are more important than anything else including training and politics, however, for Sera not telling him means faster completion of her short term objective and she doesn't care that it will hurt him more in the long run. Basically her logic is similar to the logic of those elders, not the head who had a personal vendetta, but the others who only cared about the stability of the murim world, to them one ruined life meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sera is similar, but perhaps not quite as cynical yet. She thinks that Shioon will "understand" later and if he thought like a murim he might've, but "we" know he is doesn't and "we" know that it will backfire on her eventually.

However, this latest chapter opened a possibility to a route where Sera is unable to go through with her cold-hearted purely logical plans because of her growing feelings for him. Whether it will be too late or not, we'll see.

PS. In terms of personality among the murim, the one I like most is Smiling Blade because he balances murim reality with personal emotions almost perfectly. Just like Sera he also has a concrete objective that he wants to complete pretty badly and like Sera he is pretty smart and plans well, but unlike her he considers other people's feelings and won't step over them in order to reach his goal.


Just to make it clear, I don't really have a problem with Sera as a character. I don't like her very much but she is a good character. My main problem is with the plot hole the author created when Shioon just went along with whatever she told him even though that's out of character for him and the fact that in one conversation he asserted that she is using him and she pretty much admitted it (for some reason he didn't press her farther for answers: plot hole).

[kidopitz27]

Lets not forget he also has the black heaven and earth technique that was left on his phone for him as well. Which Im curious about since it doesn't use ki techniques. You would just need to have a ki center to get it started then it would run on its own until you ran out of ki at least thats how Ive interpreted it. So it could possibly go beyond the limitations of the medicine. Of course the downside is your'e basically bat**** crazy the whole time but it would be awesome to see how that would work.

i think he will use it to save those 2 or maybe a part of BHT and those Commanders will just say that's the legendary BHT (Were screwed for real)

but for me he will not use it or maybe those commanders will be surprised that their techs are copied by just a blink of an eye by shioon and make a powerful version of it

[Bludvein]

As long as Sera offers him aid, and doesn't interfere or make him do anything he wouldn't already, then her "using" of him is really of no consequence. Shi-woon didn't press her on her reasons because he had already determined that she is basically a nice person, and her reasons don't really matter.

Besides, normally speaking, people don't do things for free. He is getting what he wants, and Sera is getting whatever it is that she wants. That's the way the world works.

[svyatoslav]

As long as Sera offers him aid, and doesn't interfere or make him do anything he wouldn't already, then her "using" of him is really of no consequence. Shi-woon didn't press her on her reasons because he had already determined that she is basically a nice person, and her reasons don't really matter.

Besides, normally speaking, people don't do things for free. He is getting what he wants, and Sera is getting whatever it is that she wants. That's the way the world works.

It is not an equal partnership however...

[Hiro Hayase]

While I'm sure she won't back-stab Shioon in the full sense of the word, she is still using him for her own ends (she even admitted to it, why he didn't press her for more answers at that time is something I would consider a plot-hole). In addition, her real objective in "helping" Shioon is obviously not as simple as she lets on. Everything she is doing for him, she is doing purely out of her own selfish reasons and she never once really considered what's best for "him" or "his" feelings.

Sera prioritizes her objective above everything else. For example, the thing with his mom, obviously telling him as soon as possible would be the best course of action for "Shioon" because to him family and friends are more important than anything else including training and politics, however, for Sera not telling him means faster completion of her short term objective and she doesn't care that it will hurt him more in the long run. Basically her logic is similar to the logic of those elders, not the head who had a personal vendetta, but the others who only cared about the stability of the murim world, to them one ruined life meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Sera is similar, but perhaps not quite as cynical yet. She thinks that Shioon will "understand" later and if he thought like a murim he might've, but "we" know he is doesn't and "we" know that it will backfire on her eventually.

However, this latest chapter opened a possibility to a route where Sera is unable to go through with her cold-hearted purely logical plans because of her growing feelings for him. Whether it will be too late or not, we'll see.

PS. In terms of personality among the murim, the one I like most is Smiling Blade because he balances murim reality with personal emotions almost perfectly. Just like Sera he also has a concrete objective that he wants to complete pretty badly and like Sera he is pretty smart and plans well, but unlike her he considers other people's feelings and won't step over them in order to reach his goal.


Just to make it clear, I don't really have a problem with Sera as a character. I don't like her very much but she is a good character. My main problem is with the plot hole the author created when Shioon just went along with whatever she told him even though that's out of character for him and the fact that in one conversation he asserted that she is using him and she pretty much admitted it (for some reason he didn't press her farther for answers: plot hole).

Okay, I have a much clearer picture of where your position comes from now. But I respectfully disagree that Shioon is "going along" with whatever Sera says as a plot hole because Shioon is not as innocent as you think he is. Shioon saw through Sera's intention when she demanded that he bring 9AD. Her subordinates demanded that Shioon be killed for her to be acknowledged as their leader, but she bluntly refused that murim behavior.

I also will have to disagree about telling Shioon right away about his mom's condition as the "best course of action." I'm guessing that Sera did want to tell Shioon as soon as possible, but she faltered and withheld as soon as Shioon started reminiscing about his mom with a happy/innocent face. Would you have the heart to break the tragic news of his mother's critical condition to a person this happy? It's like telling an individual in their happiest moment that their mother just died. That ruins the whole mood and may possibly bring the said person to depression or self-pity. There's a time and place for everything, Sera just couldn't find an opportune moment to break it to Shioon yet.

Frankly, I consider Sera a reliable ally for Shioon. As revealed in these latest chapters, there are more sides to Sera than I thought. Sera did not step over Shioon's feelings, she does consider them at least. She does save Shioon when Gang-ill came to find the whereabouts of Jinie's location from him and clears the misunderstanding. She also stopped Shioon from looking for Jinie because it would be dangerous for him, since Elder Kwon or other hostile parties might try to assassinate Shioon again without proper preparation. It's logical to be cautious when you were nearly assassinated.

The thing is Sera hasn't known Shioon that long, so it's a bit unfair to bash her character for not noticing his feelings. As shown in earlier chapters of New Waves, Sera is quite different from ordinary Murim's who are quick to resort to violence. Sera hasn't resorted to violence once, except for self-defense when Jinie attacked her.

She also revealed that Jinie tried kill him earlier and mentioned that Shioon has made his first ally in Ha-Ill Gang from the Sunwu clan. She also revealed that the Sunwu elder's were planning on using Shioon as a pawn. She is teaching Shioon about murim history and even brought her teacher to teach him some skills. Plus, she's hiding Shioon from the Sunwu and tracking the genius Doctor. Sera has done a lot for Shioon already, so its hard to see her as an enemy.

The reason why Shioon trusts her now is probably due to the fact that everytime that Shioon gets hurt (after Jinie's disappearance), she bandages him up afterwards. Plus, Sera's very blunt when she admitted that Shioon's right about her using him, but its in a good way. Once again, She's not using him as a puppet to manipulate but rather as a person with equal standing as her. It's debatable whether she prioritizes her objectives over everything, but we don't know exactly what her objectives are. Is it to restore the murim order or create a new order? Destroy the S.U.C. or find 9AD? We don't know yet, but I can assure you that she does not have a sinister objective. (I'm basing this from what we have seen so far).

Instead of believing in the possibilities that she has a cold-hearted "master plan", why couldn't she have a change of heart like Sunwu Elder Jang-Il Jeong. Remember, Sera and Ji-gun attacked Shioon because they thought he was associated with the S.U.C. If you can forgive Ji-gun for attacking powerless Shioon, then why not Sera who's done so much for Shioon than Ji-gun ever did?

If you still think the partnership is not mutual, then define what Shioon and Sera's relationship is with examples this time please?





P.S. I strongly advise re-reading The Breaker: New Waves from chapter 1, I recommend A-team's chapters since they are concise. You have clearly missed some minor details and underlying meanings overall.

P.S.S. I can provide references if needed.

P.S.S.S. I can't believe that I took the time to write all this.

[Ninja_Pirate]

I dont think there is any plot hole if shioon just relied on sera without asking much questions... to start with she is the only one who has actually started telling him about murim (however he wasnt interested in knowing that initially) .. Also when the first met sera did explain herself and why she is doing that... and for shioon's character he has been shown like that only from the start... he always trust people on intution purpose and anyways everything falls in place for him... he is emotionally driven and not much of a mind player.///

One of the reason he attracts people is his determination and selflessness when it comes to helping people or doing the right thing.... and one who follows/support him on that always turn out to be a good person.... as the same goes for sera. he has done the same when it came to shiho in the first part... he ate that pill trusting her and gained this power...

[Jammin]

God, could Sera be any more adorable?!

I can't get enough of these Sera scenes because there is nothing I love more than a character out of their element. With Sera, her natural element is one where everyone is trying to manipulate everyone else. That's where she's comfortable and that's where she excels. Shioon is the opposite of that.

Her time with Shioon keeps drudging up the person underneath the icy facade. And it turns out, underneath it all the calculating, she is 1 part innocent 3 parts weird.

[nanoclarkology]

I rally enjoyed this chapter. Mainly because it sets up the next chapter where Shioon comes in and fights for Jini. I am excited for that purpose.