The Origins Of Naruto

[zArseniic]

So we all know that Naruto is an Uzumaki and we know that the Uzumaki clan have endoring bodies and special chakra. Also we know that Naruto gained those traits from his mother Kushina Uzumaki so ehat about the 4 Hokage Minato Namikaze? What is the Origin of Minato. Well let take a guess, what are so specific technics that Minato has that other characters do not have. ( Basically a Kekkei Genkai) I can only think of one the Flying Thunder God Jutsu. The only person other than the Fourth that can do that Jutsu is the Secound Hokage Tobirama Senju. My theory is that Minato might be related to the Senju Clan and since the Uzumaki Clan is distant relatives of the Senju would that make Naruto a pure blooded Senju!? Also he was born from a host that had the Nine tails inside her and he came out with some characteristics of the Nine tails (Wiskers) proving that him and the Nine tailes were compadable. (Also just a prediction about the upcoming battle the Nine tails was there when the 1st Hokage defeated Madara so he might tell Naruto how the 1st was able to kill him and what happend on that Day)*

[hyper_megaman]

naruto's technically a namikaze

but he has uzumaki blood in him, yes

just random trivia

[zArseniic]

I dont think Naruto is just a Namikaze nor do I believe that the 4th is either. I think that the 4th's a blood member of the Senju Clan becuase he was able to use Senjutsu and only the 1st, 2nd, Jariaya, and Naruto where able to do this so far.

[THM Nindo]

I dont think Naruto is just a Namikaze nor do I believe that the 4th is either. I think that the 4th's a blood member of the Senju Clan becuase he was able to use Senjutsu and only the 1st, 2nd, Jariaya, and Naruto where able to do this so far.

What are you talking about?

The only ones that used senjutsu are Jiraiya and Naruto.
The Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato never used it.

And it has nothing to do with being a Senju.
According to Pa Frog, you just need to have a extremely big chakra pool...

[zArseniic]

What are you talking about the flying thunder god jutsu is a Senjutsu tech. Both Minato and Tobitama can use it. Also its not clear that Hashirama wood element jutsu uses Senjutsu but we know its a hell of alot stronger when its incoperated. *NOtice the difference between Yamatos wood style and Hashirama wood stlye. Hashirama is stronger, i bet, becuase he influences Senjutsu into it. And only according to *pa Frog you need to have extreme big chakra to master this. SO are you saying the 1,2,and 4 didnt have that atribute? Also watching the series Naruto some characters can activate some degree of senjutsu without the training Pa Frog can give. For example the Falling Star Arc. a village gathered their chakra thorugh an astroid that fell onto them. they were using the same principle as Pa Frog but gathering thier chakra from a different source.

[THM Nindo]

What are you talking about the flying thunder god jutsu is a Senjutsu tech. Both Minato and Tobitama can use it. Also its not clear that Hashirama wood element jutsu uses Senjutsu but we know its a hell of alot stronger when its incoperated. *NOtice the difference between Yamatos wood style and Hashirama wood stlye. Hashirama is stronger, i bet, becuase he influences Senjutsu into it. And only according to *pa Frog you need to have extreme big chakra to master this. SO are you saying the 1,2,and 4 didnt have that atribute? Also watching the series Naruto some characters can activate some degree of senjutsu without the training Pa Frog can give. For example the Falling Star Arc. a village gathered their chakra thorugh an astroid that fell onto them. they were using the same principle as Pa Frog but gathering thier chakra from a different source.

Just for info... Senjutsu technique = Sage technique.
What was shown in the manga is that the only ones showing Sage ability are Jiraiya and Naruto.

[zArseniic]

yeah but you dont have to be in sage mode to use Senjutsu is what im saying. And the most powerful users of it are from the Senju Clan and that Naruto must be a pure blood or at least particularly gifted of Senju and Uzumaki. I think this theory is possible becuase only pure blooded Uchiha can access the Mangekyou Sharingan *the Sages eyes. So would it make since that only a pure blooded Senju would be able to access the sage body and be to compatable with the Bijju. For example Bee gained access to the 8 tails but he doesnt take on the Rikudo Sages image, but when Naruto gianed access to of the Nine tails he took on the form of the Rikudo Sage.

[hyper_megaman]

dude.

senjutsu = immortal/deity/hermit techniques
仙術

senju = thousand hands
千手

these are different words. just because they sound similar in english, it doesn't mean they're linked.

also, it's impossible for anyone to be of pure blood of either senju or uchiha ancestor.. the guy gave birth to TWO brothers. even if we condoned incest, they wouldn't be able to reproduce. they're already half blooded, right there. and their kids probably reproduced with others, not within their own clan, or we'd have hundreds of people who look just like each other.

the senju/uchiha ancestors' sons are the 2nd generation down and they're at most 1/2 original senju/uchiha ancestor blood. if we consider rikudou sennin's wife, they're just 1/8 rikudou blood.

purity is impossible. what are you even talking about.


though, i think it's rather safe to say minato knows senjutsu, but he's capable enough to fight without using it. he's gifted afterall, wouldn't make sense for jiraiya to not teach him senjutsu, he'd pick it up quickly anyway. Given the dangers of senjutsu, no one would use it unless they were sure they needed that extra chakra for a huge fight they were prepared to see to the end, like when jiraiya was cornered. jiraiya never used it until that moment, so minato never using it doesn't mean a thing. it's just that nobody abuses it like naruto who seems to abuse everything.

however, there's never been any implication that senjutsu was best used by the senju. where did this even come from? jiraiya's excellent at using it. the frogs have been around and teaching others this technique for generations. all they've pointed out was that focus was the main thing required. minato has always been a sharp/brilliant ninja, and i'd say the same of people like sasuke or kakashi. they'd probably do great with senjutsu.

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yeah but you dont have to be in sage mode to use Senjutsu is what im saying. And the most powerful users of it are from the Senju Clan and that Naruto must be a pure blood or at least particularly gifted of Senju and Uzumaki. I think this theory is possible becuase only pure blooded Uchiha can access the Mangekyou Sharingan *the Sages eyes. So would it make since that only a pure blooded Senju would be able to access the sage body and be to compatable with the Bijju. For example Bee gained access to the 8 tails but he doesnt take on the Rikudo Sages image, but when Naruto gianed access to of the Nine tails he took on the form of the Rikudo Sage.

also 'sage' is just a generic term for someone who has attained a significantly legendary level of training/achievements.

it's much like the word 'guru' or 'professor' or 'doctor'

'sage of six paths' is not necessarily related to 'frog sage techniques'...

sigh.. it's like insisting Dr. Leonard Hofstadter heals a patient just because he's a doctor. he's not a medical doctor. similarly, there's no suggestion that the frog sage is in any way linked to the six paths sage just because they share the word 'sage', beyond what chakra usage rikudou sennin founded and taught to the world.

your oversimplified view is... weird. i'm trying to find the erroneous foundations you built all these weird theories on. help me out a bit here everyone.

[Googlez_kun]

What are you talking about the flying thunder god jutsu is a Senjutsu tech. Both Minato and Tobitama can use it. Also its not clear that Hashirama wood element jutsu uses Senjutsu but we know its a hell of alot stronger when its incoperated. *NOtice the difference between Yamatos wood style and Hashirama wood stlye. Hashirama is stronger, i bet, becuase he influences Senjutsu into it. And only according to *pa Frog you need to have extreme big chakra to master this. SO are you saying the 1,2,and 4 didnt have that atribute? Also watching the series Naruto some characters can activate some degree of senjutsu without the training Pa Frog can give. For example the Falling Star Arc. a village gathered their chakra thorugh an astroid that fell onto them. they were using the same principle as Pa Frog but gathering thier chakra from a different source.

The heck are you talking about?Let's make this clear: Senju and Senjutsu are not related and you can't just go saying every Senju knows Senjutsu.
What makes you think that the flying thunder god jutsu is a senjutsu technique?Tobi,Itachi and Kakashi use some form of space-time jutsu as well,yet they are neither senju nor do they use senjutsu(or are a sage).Also,it was only mentioned that Tobirama used some kind of space-time technique,but never was it said that it was the flying thunder god jutsu.
Last but not least,please refrain from taking filler episodes as examples in a proper manga discussion.

[Monsterguy]

Well, I was just reading a post from somebody and looked at a page in manga that picked my interest. Than I reread that chapter and it suddenly struck me, so far Lady Tsunade must be Naruto's only reall distant relative that is so far "known" still alive, right?

Look: LINK

Here it say's: Shinobi of Leaf's Senju clan and Eddy's Uzumaki clan were distant blood relatives.

With this we know that Senju clan and Uzumaki clan were distant blood relatives, so:

Senju clan --> Lady Tsunade's grandfather (main representative from Senju clan) also known as first Hokage

Uzumaki clan --> Naruto's mother also known as Kushina (main representative from Uzumaki clan)

With this, we can conclude Lady Tsunade is Naruto's reall blood "distant relative" !!!

So here is proof that Naruto has also Senju's blood running through his veins...

[Suzaku]

More importantly, Minato's three guard squad members (Genma, Raido, and another guy) also know the Flying Thunder God Technique, which they use to send the Mizukage to the battlefield in one of the recent chapters, however it takes all three of them to use it. It's not so different from a summoning or reverse summoning technique.

"Sen-Jutsu" means "Sage Techniques", while "Senju" means "thousand fists".


So far, the only living Senju heirs we know of are Tsunade and Naruto, however there may be several others, as it's known that the Senju clan became dispersed through several different bloodlines via marriage (unlike the Uchiha and Hyuuga clans which preserved their bloodlines).

There's absolutely nothing known about the Namikaze family line, and it's likely that the clan no longer exists, so Minato was probably the last surviving member. Naruto was probably given the Uzumaki surname to cover up his connection to Minato. They may well have been an offshoot line of the Senju clan.


Edit: Here's something I made a while back. It's a chart of known descendants of the Sage of the Six Paths, assuming that the Hyuuga clan is an offshoot (based on theories that the Sharingan evolved from the Byakugan).

[badluckartist]

or we'd have hundreds of people who look just like each other.

Uchiha: Mastering the art of incest since ancient times.

[xXan]

I would actualy like if Minato was somehow a senju. Naruto defenetly has senju blood in him because if Kushina but still. Also aparently Tobi compared him in a way with Tobirama and the senju:
http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html

Also i still can't belive Tobi is not Madara. HE HAS to be Madara even if he is some type of robot that has Madara's memories. It is just in the way he speaks about those events.

[Sakura Hime]

LOL I think zArseniic is already crying in a closet somewhere...

People should seriously read the manga instead of just watching anime, which is full of sh*t.

[zArseniic]

I read & watch both because they have to stick to the story line, plus you uncover information about the supporting characters. Naruto is the reincarnation of the 60PS thanks to 572 meaning he had some origins to the Senju clan. And if you recall Hiroshima Senju was recognized as a person to be immortal/senjutsu and have various jutsu/Senju the words are completely different in English but guess what Hiroshima possess both attributes. * also Tobi is an Uzumaki how else would he have known Pain/Nagato was an Uzumaki by blood, and be able to maintain both Sharringan and Rinningan plus tailed beast.

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And about the flying thunder god being a Senjutsu tech. it still stands. Senjutsu allows you to enhance your chakra 100x the fact that it took # people to do it means that they needed to combine enough chakra to do it. And according to Pa Frog only people with enormous amount of chakra can perform Senjutsu. The Kekkie Genkia that the Uzumaki and Senju Possess is their longevity, seals, and chakra