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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Syndicate View Post
    We're not sure about this part, yet. He might serialize one shot in different magazine.
    It was just some wishful thinking. It would also make since for Murata to capitalize on this opportunity when there are currently no real successful new series in Jump and many of the older ones ending.

    I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.


    Quote Originally Posted by SSJWill4 View Post
    Psyren ended at the end of 2010 which made its run exactly 3 years. No small feat by jump standards.
    Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    I would also presume he is very dissapointed with himself about how the final chapters of Eyeshield 21 ranked, after being in the top of the magazine for almost all of its run and suddenly dropping to like bottom 5 for the last 20 chapters, he probably wants to show he can do even better.
    He may be disappointed on final arc's ranking, but I don't think he'll be disappointed with himself becasue he is in charge of illustration, not story.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post

    Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.
    True, but your original post did not specify that you were referring to series that received a 'natural' ending. I just assumed you were talking about established series. Shaman King was canceled yet still lasted 6 years.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Googlez_kun View Post
    Looking at it the lists I just remembered that Naruto's not getting any CPs anymore.Wonder why.

    And lol at Togashi.

    I hope that was a joke...
    It was....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    Even though Psyren did make 3 years, it was cancelled and did not naturally end like Jaguar did, therefore not naturally ending.
    I thought Psyren's ending was more like Enigma's. The author set up the final arc to either end the series or continue it. If it gets axed, he already had a natural ending in mind. If it gets more support and can continue, he already has several plot threads he's been wanting to resolve.

    The 7 Dragons Of Fiore

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    There are a maximum of four volumes a year and 48 chapters for a weekly manga. While mangaka can earn more for a tankobon it is less reliable money. It is based on a percentage, income is dependent on sales, and sales decline over time no matter how popular a manga. Chapters are steady, weekly work and a reliable weekly pay check. If it were me and I had an opportunity to supplement my income while getting featured in the front or center of the magazine, I would not be one to turn it down. Not only is the money better, color pages increase prestige and exposure.
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    Source for the Manuscript numbers is Bakuman chapter 35

    They get 22800 yen for a 19 page Manuscript and 600 yen more per color page. Let’s take the 100yen is 1dollar rate of exchange because it is easier to count. That makes 228 dollar for a finished manuscript and only 6 bugs more per color page. A rooky Mangaka gets around 912 dollar per month while rooky ASSISTANTS get 1600 dollar for a month with only 4 days of work per week while a Mangaka gets less for much more work.

    The first print run for a typical WSJ Manga is 20000 copies. The Mangaka gets 42 yen per printed Copy (not sold but printed). That makes a total of 840 000 yen. Let’s say there are 10 chapters in the Volume. The Mangaka gets than 2280 dollar for the Manuscripts and 8400 for the Volumes. That is already around 4 times as much. A WSJ Mangaka has to sell/print much more Volumes soon to not get cancelled fast.

    I will say it again. The 6 bugs more they get for a CP stands in NO equation to the amount of more work for a CP in an already very tight Manga schedule. I’m fairly certain that no mangaka in WSJ wants a CP because of the extra money but I’m sure they do want the CP for the extra attention -> more readers-> better polls and higher Volume sales -> more printed Volumes -> more money.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Yeah. Generally a CP will get more attention and more interest in a manga from people who don't normally read it. It's a form of promotion. Color pages are also usually given for some sorta reason like an anniversary or a big announcement, a way of saying "Hey. look at this!".
    It pays more because it takes more time and effort to do.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Syndicate View Post
    It is confirmed that Murata going to work with a story writer for his upcoming new work (didn't say who is it).
    Will it run in Weekly Shonen Jump?

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages
    PHP Code:
    1.One Piece 1.3
    2.Naruto 
    2.2
    3.Toriko 
    3.4
    4.Bakuman 
    5.7
    5.Gintama 
    5.7
    6.Sket Dance 
    7.2
    7.Kurogane 
    8.3
    8.Bleach 
    8.6
    9.Beelzebub 
    9.2
    10.Kagami no Kuni 
    9.8
    11.Hitman Reborn
    ! - 10.2
    12.Medaka Box 
    12.3
    13.Inumaru Dashi 
    12.3
    14.Magico 
    12.4
    15.Kuroko no Basket 
    13.0
    16.Kochikame 
    13.0
    17.Hunter x Hunter 
    13.9
    18.ST
    &RS 14.1
    19.Nurarihyon no Mago 
    14.6 
    &

    Weekly Shounen Jump 2010 Series' Averages

    PHP Code:
    1.One Piece 1.4
    2.Naruto 
    1.5
    3.Bleach 
    4.3
    4.Toriko 
    6.0
    5.Hitman Reborn
    ! - 6.9
    6.Bakuman 
    7.3
    7.Nurarihyon no Mago 
    7.9
    8.Beelzebub 
    8.1
    9.Gintama 
    9.6
    10.Kuroko no Basket 10.1
    11.Sket Dance 
    10.2
    12.Kochikame 
    10.9
    13.Inumaru Dashi 
    11.6
    14.Medaka Box 
    13.4
    15.Hunter x Hunter 
    14.6 
    Does not include Lead CP's or Oneshots in these rankings.
    Does include Center Colours in these rankings.

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    Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.
    Last edited by Zeromcd; November 24, 2011 at 08:11 AM.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    Weekly Shounen Jump 2011 Series' Averages
    If you have the Jump Series Averages from 2010 could you please post them as well. This would help to compare which Series did better and which worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    Damn that took over 2hours, time get back to Macross Frontier Sayonara no Tsubasa.
    Sorry and thank you for your hard work

    This list is quite interesting
    One Piece did a tiny little bit better while Naruto did a little worse. I thought it would be the other way around.
    Toriko, Bakuman, Gintama and Sket Dance did all much better.
    Reborn and Bleach did much worse than 2010.
    Beelzebub did only a little bit worse even though I thought it would do much worse because it was quite the long time in the bottom 5 this year.
    Medaka Box did only a little bit better while I thought it would do a lot better.
    The most interesting is Mago. It did catastrophically. I’m wondering how long Jump will let it be in spite of the sales. I’m sure we are somewhere near a “natural” end.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    It's also interesting to remove the color page factor to see the series which are pump by Jump

    2010 average without color page
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    1.One Piece - 2,40
    2.Naruto - 2,88
    3.Toriko - 6,09
    4.Bleach - 7,34
    5.Bakuman - 7,94
    6.Gintama - 8,22
    7.Beelzebub - 9,73
    8.Reborn! - 9,83
    9.Sket Dance - 10,16
    10.Nurarihyon no Mago - 12,81
    11.Inumaru Dashi - 13,04
    12.Kuroko no Basket - 13,24
    13.Kochikame - 13,57
    14.Medaka Box - 14,78
    15.HUNTER×HUNTER - 16,50
    2010 average with lead and color page
    Code:
    1.One Piece - 2,15
    2.Naruto - 2,40
    3.Bleach - 4,62
    4.Toriko - 6,87
    5.Bakuman - 7,83
    6.Reborn! - 7,88
    7.Beelzebub - 8,85
    8.Nurarihyon no Mago - 8,90
    9.Gintama - 9,15
    10.Sket Dance - 11,08
    11.Kuroko no Basket - 11,23
    12.Kochikame - 12,19
    13.Inumaru Dashi - 13,02
    14.Medaka Box - 14,96
    15.HUNTER×HUNTER- 15,95
    My average is calculated a bit differently than Zeromcd since I keep the rank for lead CP so the rank are ~increased by 1.
    In the average without CP, the series keep their rank as in the initial TOC except for the series with CP which have a weight of 0.

    One can see that Bleach and Mago really benefit from it :-)

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    @Zeromcd

    How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?
    Last edited by Negative Syndicate; November 24, 2011 at 01:32 PM.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Syndicate View Post
    @Zeromcd

    How many weeks did you average for the 2010 and 2011?
    I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    I averaged the weeks at 47 for 2011 and 48 for 2010, but when a series a Lead CP or a Break I took away one, thus each series had a different average for weeks.
    That means you averaged from all of issues?

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Syndicate View Post
    That means you averaged from all of issues?
    Yes, I averaged from every Issue

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    Series from the main magazine that will be appearing in Jump Next!

    - Medaka Box (Good Loser Kumagawa)
    - Sket Dance
    - Nurarihyon no Mago
    - Enigma (Final Chapter)
    - PSI Kusou Saiki
    - Magico
    - ST&RS
    - Kurogane
    - Nisekoi
    - Packy

    The source does not say what kind of chapters they will be, but they will most likely just be Bangaihens.

    I wonder if Kusou Saiki can actually be considered a series now? Kind of like Hetappi.
    Last edited by Zeromcd; November 24, 2011 at 07:17 PM.

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