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Thread: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011 - 2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Looking at the list of series from the last 18 months it is almost comical how poorly they have fared. Everything that debuted after Medaka and Before Magico is already canceled. Not one survivor. Check out this list:

    TitleFirst IssueFinal Issue
    Medaka Box#24, 2009Currently Serialized
    Akaboshi#25, 2009#49, 2009
    Anedoki#32, 2009#7, 2010
    Kagijin#33, 2009#50, 2009
    Wasshoi! Waji Mania#34, 2009#51, 2009
    Hokenshitsu no Shinigami#41, 2009#29, 2011
    Super Dog Rilienthal#42, 2009#23, 2010
    Nekowappa#50, 2009#11, 2010
    Shinseiki Idol Densetsu Kanata Seven Change#51, 2009#12, 2010
    Lock On!#12, 2010#30, 2010
    Kiben Gakuha, Yotsuya-senpai no Kaidan#13, 2010#31, 2010
    Metallica Metalluca#24, 2010#41, 2010
    Shōnen Shikku #25, 2010#40, 2010
    SWOT#31, 2010#51, 2010
    Ōmagadoki Dōbutsuen#32, 2010#19, 2011
    Enigma#41, 2010#47, 2011
    Light Wing#42, 2010#12, 2011
    Dois Sol#11, 2011#28, 2011
    Magico#13, 2011Currently Serialized
    Sengoku Armors#14, 2011#31, 2011
    Kikai Banashi Hanasaka Ikkyū#23, 2011#38, 2011


    In the two years from issue 24, 2009 to issue 23, 2011, only three series were serialized for a year or longer: Medaka Box, Hokenshitsu no Shinigami, and Enigma. Only two series are currently serialized: Magico and Medaka. Every series that began serialization between issue 25, 2009 and issue 13, 2011 have been canceled. Every series that began serialization between issue 14, 2011 and issue 23 have been canceled. There have not been cuts that effect St&rs (issue 30) or any series thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negative Syndicate View Post
    Yes, but we should see this happen when actually St&rs has ended. We never know what will happen in future poll; we might see something that we never expected.
    In four years I have not seen any series recover from such low sales and polling so low so often but it is not a foregone conclusion. Mago could switch magazines, an older series could end. That sustained Psyren for some time. But I have never seen a series that has been serialized as long as Magico recover from such a long run of low ratings.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    ^
    Wow that's just...pitiful. I know it;s been a while since there was some that managed to maintain popularity in JUMP, but it;s sad that JUMP hasn;t had a surviving series since medaka box. If this funk keeps up, we may seriously see JUMP dusting off some old manga to animate or doing more reboots like with HunterXHunter

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    They've already started dusting off the old series: remember the Level E anime?

    I personally think the poor run is part of the model. If enough successful manga begin over a short period (one or two years), it can become very hard for new series to establish themselves. This seems to be especially true of new action series, for the simple fact that votes get spread across more titles. As everyone remembers, 2008/early 2009 was a very successful year. Seven series lasted two years or more: Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Inumaru, Kuroko, and Beelzebub (Medaka came came out ten issues after Belze). And so far only Psyren has ended. About a third of the magazine came out in 2008 or the first half of 2009. Along with older series that makes it very hard for new series to establish themselves.

    Looking back, late 2009-2011 looks a lot like 2005-2007. Only four series lasted two years or more: Neuro, Mx0, ToRa, and Sket Dance.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    They've already started dusting off the old series: remember the Level E anime?

    I personally think the poor run is part of the model. If enough successful manga begin over a short period (one or two years), it can become very hard for new series to establish themselves. This seems to be especially true of new action series, for the simple fact that votes get spread across more titles. As everyone remembers, 2008/early 2009 was a very successful year. Seven series lasted two years or more: Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Inumaru, Kuroko, and Beelzebub (Medaka came came out ten issues after Belze). And so far only Psyren has ended. About a third of the magazine came out in 2008 or the first half of 2009. Along with older series that makes it very hard for new series to establish themselves.

    Looking back, late 2009-2011 looks a lot like 2005-2007. Only four series lasted two years or more: Neuro, Mx0, ToRa, and Sket Dance.
    I suppose you have a point about the system since I can certainly see it working that way. Though at the rate things are going some of the established stuff is gonna need to end for new stuff to survive. If they do have to dust off something else to hold them though, I wonder what the next one will be since we had Level E and the HxH remake. In an ideal world Psyren could possibly be dusted off, but I know that;s just my wishful thinking.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    That is exactly what happened in 2008 and early 2009. In no particular order Prince of Tennis, To Love Ru, Eyeshield, Mx0, D. Gray Man, Neuro, and Muhyo & Rosie either ended or moved to SQ. Some of the series longer lived series, such as Samurai Usagi or P2, from 2007 ending helped too. At some point something will stick, kind of like Sket Dance survived 2007 (the only 2007 series that lasted a full two years).

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    That is exactly what happened in 2008 and early 2009. In no particular order Prince of Tennis, To Love Ru, Eyeshield, Mx0, D. Gray Man, Neuro, and Muhyo & Rosie either ended or moved to SQ. Some of the series longer lived series, such as Samurai Usagi or P2, from 2007 ending helped too. At some point something will stick, kind of like Sket Dance survived 2007 (the only 2007 series that lasted a full two years).
    I agree something will probably stick sooner or later. With Naruto possibly ending by mid/late 2012 though, they need a new series to actually continually succeed and not just survive. I suppose they probably won;t be losing all that many readers with it ending and OP holding down the fort, but I imagine it'll still be a rough transition.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Good to see Beel back up and Kurogane as we'll figure it was going to be in for a decline but looks like it was just a one time deal for now.

    Bleach dont even what to talk about itXD

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    If we're talking about old manga getting animes I'm still pulling for a Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi anime... (Beside the OVA from the 1998 Jump super anime tour).

    Really, it's fairly rare for a new series to last a really long time in general. Sometimes there are a bunch near each other. But the other thing is when something lurks around the lower half of the TOC for a while it could last for a year or so then get canceled. Or you could say they're just ending naturally at that point, depending.

    For a new series to do really well it need to get pretty high in the TOC a good amount of the time. There are the occasional Medaka and Kuroko types that eventually get animes while generally lurking in the lower half.

    They talk about it in Bakuman a few times, that there are people who have "talent that only comes around once every 10 years" or "5 years" and such. The other thing to consider is that most highly successful authors will do a series that doesn't last too long, then their next series does really well. Like Zombie Powder and Bleach, things like that. So don't count the authors who got canceled out. Especially ones like the authors of Houkenshitsu no Shinigami, Enigma, or Oumagadoki Doubutsuen.

    Well, people seem to like Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa and Nisekoi so far, though both haven't been around for too long (and Nisekoi isn't ranked).
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    I would love to see an adaptation of Rookies and psyren.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    November 28th-December 4th Jump Comic Sales

    *2 -- *,248,429 *,248,429  BLEACH #53
    *3 -- *,130,112 *,130,112  Nurarihyon no Mago #19
    *6 -- *,*87,212 *,*87,212  Beelzebub #14
    *7 -- *,*85,396 *,*85,396  Kuroko no Basket #15
    *8 -- *,*71,684 *,*71,684  Medaka Box #13
    15 -- *,*50,300 2,783,631  ONE PIECE #64
    17 -- *,*45,600 *,*45,600  Kochikame #177
    22 -- *,*36,684 *,*36,684  Kochikame #999
    34 -- *,*23,857 *,*23,857  magico #3
    39 -- *,*20,711 *,*20,711  enigma #6
    41 -- *,*19,969 *,986,182  NARUTO #58
    ?? -- ?????????? ??????????  Kurogane #1

    The numbers above are only 3 days worth of sales, with the exception of Naruto and One Piece

    Kurogane's exact sales are unknown, however it sold less than 18,142 copies.

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    37 -- *,*21,622 *,*21,622 *1 3 magico #2

    Magico's first week volume sales have increased by 2235 from #2 too #3, which is very small. (both volumes were on the chart for 3 days)

    With the way Magico is ranking, coupled with the small volume sales and small sale increases, I think it will be cancelled with ST&RS.

    It's a shame, I found the first 13 chapters of magico very charming, but halfway through chapter 14 and onwards i just completely lost interest in the series.
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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    A Rookies adaption would be cool, the live movies have been really popular. JoJo's has never had a full anime, only OVA's if I am not mistaken. An anime for at least Stardust Crusaders would be very cool.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    @Zeromcd

    You forgot to include One Piece and Naruto.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    Psyren and Muhyo & Roji would be fun to see animated. It would also be nice to see some later arcs of certain mangas get animated (Jinchu arc of Kenshin and the rest of Neuro for instance). As for the TOC, it's good to see Harisugawa pulling itself back up in the ranking and sad to see St&rs so low. If I could choose one series to end out of all the new ones I'd pick Kurogane as I have found it rather boring. A mediocre series at best imo.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    I was not a fan of either but it was kind of a shame that Muhyo and Psyren did not get anime. Psyren lasted just long enough to get canceled right around the time a manga usually gets an anime. Mx0 too, had it lasted a little longer it might have had an anime. It still seems strange that Muhyo lasted almost four years and never got an anime.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

    I like that cover but I am not sure why...

    Must be a subliminal message or something.

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