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Yeah it's something to fight against the four sound at once. Even more when one of them can slip into your body, it's become basically 1 vs 4 then.
When the four Sound beated Sasuke the Genin Genius, they didn't even use the CS. Only at the very end, when the battle was over, to show him they are the same as him.
You skipped one part of my message, I also said that being low of chakra doesn't mean you have to be wounded. They can beat countless ninjas just before but being totally exhausted after that.
The sound four were half exhausted, just read the related chapters again, I even provided links, it begins to be annoying to repeat because one didn't care to read a few posts. :/
Genma and Raido are specialized, true, but that doesn't mean they're not efficient together.
About Black Zetsu, does anyone remember when Kisame got "rolled" by Bee and Raikage? This thing is not over for him. We haven't seen anything out of Black Zetsu and I am willing to bet that someone else will show up to take him out.
Pain attacked from 5-6 different locations. He caused confusion and none of the previous Kages would have known what the hell to do. I assume Hashirama/Tobirama/Hiruzen/Minato would take off to one of the locations but Tsunade is different. She helps by sending out Katsuya and healing when necessary which is more helpful than going out and engaging one of the Pain bodies.
IMO, none of the previous Hokages could stop Deva Path from doing what he did. Deva came, said some words, jumped up and nuked the village. If any of the first 4 Hokages engaged him when he arrived, they'd be surprised and blown back, then Deva would just jump up and nuke the city. The thing is with Tsunade she not only saved many villagers from the huge Shrina Tensei but herself included. Out of the first four Hokages, the only one who might haved survived Shrina Tensei is Minato and that's if he has the foresight to teleport his ass out of there. Shinra Tensei would even blow away Mokuton.
Even if Minato did teleport away, he wouldn't be able to teleport back to where Deva Path was (anything with a tag would most likely be blown away by Shinra Tensei) and by the time he hiked back, Nagato probably would have gathered his other bodies back and Deva Path would be up and running again. Then it's Minato (with a whole bunch of dead Leaf ninja around) vs the 6 Paths of Pain.
Yeah it's something to fight against the four sound at once.
This is were we differ, they seemed strong against Genin but against a Jonin they just don't match up. I think they are Chunin level and their stats reflect this, so I see them as basically fodder.
Even more when one of them can slip into your body, it's become basically 1 vs 4 then.
It didn't give Kimimaro too much trouble.
You skipped one part of my message, I also said that being low of chakra doesn't mean you have to be wounded.
That's not my point though, my point is that Genma and Raido obviously didn't do any damage in the battle. You don't need chakra to use Taijutsu, it doesn't really stand for the two Tokubetsu when they didn't land a hit on the Sound Four
it begins to be annoying to repeat because one didn't care to read a few posts. :/
I will reread again but I have not seen one argument that they are in anyway competent, better still I have not seen one arhument to convince me they are not fodder.
Genma and Raido are specialized, true, but that doesn't mean they're not efficient
Well they don't appear to be, if they were they may have done some damage to the Sound Four.
Last edited by shafagh; November 03, 2011 at 08:33 AM.
I think the point is pretty moot here...Sound Four had regeneration abilities, and they ganged up on 2 tired tokubetsu Jounin...anyone with a surprise, or with a nice upperhand can beat anyone...the spider guy incapacitated ANBU, they managed to lock in the great Hiruzen in a barrier he couldn't get out...etc...in the end that doesn't mean that Raidou and Genma are fodder, it just means that Sound Four were special...and we should remember that when the Genins fought with them, when Sound 4 worked as a team, they were pretty strong...
But Raidou and Genma are fodder characters, meaning they didn't have much screentime, no influence on the plot whatsoever, so they are insignificant...from this POV I agree...
But I don't think that's such a big deal...3 of them are using Hiraishin, a jutsu not like any other S/T jutsu, that's true, but nothing special either...a bit more complex Kuchiyose....so I don't find it weird that they can use it, nor I can consider it a blasphemy...Hiraishin wasn't special...Minato was special, in how he used Hiraishin
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Let's not transform this thread into Minato vs Pein, please.
Genma and Raido would've defeated the sound four if they weren't exhausted, so I don't see what's with all the fuss about them getting Hiraishin.
Was it random? Yes, but seriously, their version is nowhere as powerful as Minato's.
but nothing special either...
Why do you say this?
a bit more complex Kuchiyose....so I don't find it weird that they can use it, nor I can consider it a blasphemy...Hiraishin wasn't special...Minato was special, in how he used Hiraishin
No, I think Hirushin is special it's an S-Rank technique. Minato just happens to be a S-Rank ninja. I just find it weird that fodder characters get an excellant jutsu when their are many better characters who could use it.
The raikage arm discusion made this thread boring.
We have the 5 kages vs Madara in this chapter and you are busy debating about a ARM?
lets predict how the fight will progress.
Black Zestu dying is a sign the kages gonna lose.
Long live Madara!!
The man pulled an arm out of his ass. Quite an accomplishment. No of course there isn't a simply explanation like Tsunade attached it back on for him. That's crazy talk.
But this is a difference in opinion...I don't think Hiraishin is such an excellent technique, I think it is a far too complicated technique, when similar results can be achieved and were shown by merely using summoning, or reverse summoning, which is C-rank mind you...so yeah....the only variation of Hiraishin that really stood out was when Minato teleported Kyuubi's chakra-blast...now that was useful and cool
So yeah Hiraishin isn't special to me, just because it's S-rank...
Well I predict that the Kages will win in the end...even if Madara won't be sealed, the battle itself will result in Madara being defeated...I think Kabuto will summon him back, for whatever reason...
As for fight progression, I would rather leave that to Kishi...but I will say that I hope that it will be a nice shounen fight...long, cool scenes and lengthy dialogue