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    Re: HXH versus whatever

    You can always leave Alluka in the other field and then let anyone killing themselves. xD

    Anyway, I think comparison is not possible without filling some plot holes. I'll take in example Naruto which has a system that the author seems to break constantly for the sake of showing how strong the characters are but ending due so in fanservice and inconsistency. HxH goes by rules and that's quite clear. Nen comes with prices, pledges, stories behind it. Power from Naruto comes quite easily by just making seals since everyone has aura to begin with. One Piece in that sense has less inconsistency but lacks from a battle system since it's focused more in the adventure.

    HxH would lose against everyone, but only because it system is quite "realistic" and has consistent rules that most manga lacks. If you start to apply rules to every world, then all the mighty power they have would cost some price that they're likely unable to afford.
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    Re: HXH versus whatever

    The special powers in OP is like winning the aura ability lottery. There is literally no price to pay in OP for being powerful. At least in Naruto you can in theory run out of chakra (never seen this happen on anyone who matters, but it's a possibility), and a lot of powerful abilities carries significant side effects. That said, the most powerful characters in HXH didn't seem to pay much for their powers either. The Ants are just born that way, and Netero didn't do much beyond 'super crazy training', which is a magnitude below Naruto's "I trained for 1000 years because I got 10000 clones training a month each" in terms of total effort. Yes, of course the real effort of Naruto's training is trivial, but in theory he trained for far longer than any HXH character ever did.

    While most other series certainly pay less for their power, if you assume what counts as a 'human' is the same for OP, Naruto, or HXH, then you can assume they ought to have similar base stats. Now a fruit power in OP will easily allow you to go way beyond human limitations, but there's also a counter to that ability. HXH characters are extremely resourceful, and one huge advantage they have is that they tend to react in a way that will abuse another series's weakness. For example, Kite told Gon and Killua when fighting the Ants, make sure you cut off their head so the enemy statys dead. This will effectively counter most series that involve characters who are weak initially but miraculously return from the brink of death and get stronger. This strategy would defeat just about everyone in Saint Seiya besides Phoenix Ikki and the major Gods, and given everyone in Saint Seiya seems to have the Saiyan gene (grows stronger on the brink of death), ability to trivially recover from the brink of death, and plus all their innate ability (no attack works on a Saint the second time), they'd probably defeat most universes with ease after a few rounds of returning from the brink of death. But HXH guys will knock them out in the first round. They can't handle Phoenix Ikki but that guy is basically a living God.
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    Re: HXH versus whatever

    In my opinion, HxH can win against any universe.
    notice that is say CAN please.

    LEt's take dragonball for example.
    Crazy ass fighters, incredibly strong beyond even good taste, but totall stupid.

    Son Goku already died from a sickness in that series once, so it's not a stretch to think he could die from poison, too.
    Or get catched in a nen attack attacking the psyche.

    as someone pointed out, hxh chars attack the weakness.
    They wont go 1n1 vs someone who is that much stronger (cept netero mb^^) and they will make a plan which can take out someone very fast, and, if possible, quietly without any proofs.

    And tbh, this is nowhere near comparability.

    In most shonen mangas you survive any attack with some blood over you and some bruises, no matter what kind of attack it is, you only get ship damage.

    In HxH togashi tries to be rather realistic with wounds and attacks and so on.

    But what will that mean in a fight? Will luffy or naruto get less endurable to attacks or will gon and killua get much more durability?

    It makes no sense at all.

    What i am basically saying is, ppl in HXH have a lot of versatility and no moral boundaries like YO IMMA FIGHTING ONE ON ONE or HEY SNEAKING IN FROM BEHIDN AND KILLING WITH POISON IS UNFAIR. At least most of em dont.
    If there is any way to kill another character, and as pointed out, at least with poison there is, or if you want, with melleloron and phinx if he has gods accomplice on and enough time (let's add a fresh air tank if needed) there will be, then they will abuse any weakness.

    and since most other chars in shonen mangas are rather stupid, most of them will certainly fall for the trap

    If we ofc assume boo just blows up the earth it's over too.

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    Re: HXH versus whatever

    I think Meleoron's ability only is in effect if he's holding his breath and a separate source of oxygen wouldn't help. Knuckles says Meleoron would need a lung capacity comparable to Morel (i.e. hold your breath for possibly hours) to defeat Meryem with their combo. If it was so easy to just get an oxygen tank, he wouldn't need to stress that.

    HXH has a big advantage in that while in a series like OP it's apparently illegal to use Seastone-tipped weapon despite this substance is something so abundant that people can have random grunts equipped with it, HXH characters would have no remorse delivering a beatdown from OP characters' extreme weakness versus those weapons. You could even have a fight like Kuroro versus Goku, and Kuroro can easily take Goku out with a poisoned knife (because Goku most likely wouldn't bother dodging at all). That said with Dragonball, as long as one guy who can survive in outer space (there's a lot of them) survives they can always nuke the planet. Characters like Buu and Cell would seem to be completely imprevious to any method of attack possible in HXH. Still, being able even defeat some Dragonball characters is pretty impressive when you think about how powerful even a weak character is. HXH characters certainly have a good chance at taking out Goku, who is perhaps the de facto standard for 'most powerful character ever' since they'd definitely exploit his weakness against poison based attacks (or rather lack of immunity).

    But HXH has a huge disadvantage in the number of characters. If you look at the big 3 of Shonen Jump, most of them have roughly twice the volumes compared to HXH, which gives them at least twice the number of characters to work with. Of course, even if they're the same number of volumes, the world of Bleach/Naruto/One Piece has far more characters since those 3 series favorite massive brawls as opposed to concentrate on a few relatively elite characters. I like the odds of the world of HXH if they're fighting with an even number of characters, but given the relatively few characters in HXH, that's very unlikely.

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