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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Chapter 7 was hilarious!! This page in particular had me laughing out loud. The three panels in the middle where she is trying to hand him the cake is the greatest


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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Most enjoyable chapter so far.I think Komi finally managed to settle a good slice-of-lifish atmosphere.
    The comedy was great and the fantastic art underlined it well.
    Starting to look forward to the new chapters.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    But still no plot movement.....

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    What kinda plot development did you expect?This is a slice-of-lifish romcom in Shonen Jump,which is supposed to last as long as possible,so I don't mind the lack of plot-development.At least as long as it's entertaining.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Quote Originally Posted by Googlez_kun View Post
    What kinda plot development did you expect?This is a slice-of-lifish romcom in Shonen Jump,which is supposed to last as long as possible,so I don't mind the lack of plot-development.At least as long as it's entertaining.
    I don't really think Nisekoi is a slice-of-lifish romcom; it is just romcom.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Quote Originally Posted by Newkerzy View Post
    But still no plot movement.....
    I'm not sure what you expect from a manga after 7 chapters but if it hasn't met your expectations why bother reading? Why bother posting, for that matter. I'm not sure what you expected after less than a volume but I doubt it will suddenly morph into a fast paced manga, so please spare the rest of us.

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    I don't really think Nisekoi is a slice-of-lifish romcom; it is just romcom.
    These are not scientific terms They are not even publisher terms or technical jargon. Slice of life is an informal fan term used for manga that take place in a realistic, modern day setting. The story itself does not have to be realistic but the setting does. Like all genre designations it is purely informal and often used interchangeably with a handful of other genre designations. Romantic comedies, comedy, drama are all generally considered slice of life, a broad inclusive term. So yes: one can equally call nisekoi a slice of life manga, slice of life romcon, slice of life romantic comedy, slice of life romance with a comedic twist, a school life romantic slice of life comedy, or whatever the hell else they want. Thanks for posting though. Hopefully next time I check new posts it will be actual manga discussion rather than bitching about the pace, nitpicking over genre tags, or condemnations of a Jump manga's originality or lack there of

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    I really love this series. The art is great and really cute, the character designs are good and I'm enjoying the pacing of the series. If I had to nitpick, I had a bit of a problem in chapter 1 with the amount Raku kept on shouting, but I quickly got over it.

    My definite favourite new Jump series of 2011 and looking foward to purchasing the Tankobon.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Agreed. I care enough about the characters that I actually care how the romance develops. Having to nitpick, the yakuza/gangster elements seems gimmicky. It's a good set up but only has limited long term potential. I am happy that it has been of little importance to the last few chapters. It reminds me of Riku switching back and forth between his night and day form at the beginning of Mago. A nice idea in a one shot but the series was better for downplaying it's importance and switching the focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drmke View Post
    Chapter 7 was hilarious!! This page in particular had me laughing out loud. The three panels in the middle where she is trying to hand him the cake is the greatest
    This was my favorite part: http://www.mangareader.net/nisekoi/7/21

    It was fun getting to know a little more about Onodera. While not much, I thought her being a horrific cook was funny, especially when she was scolded by her mother! While not much, it is a nice way to start making her more than the to cute girl next door.
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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    I'm not sure what you expect from a manga after 7 chapters but if it hasn't met your expectations why bother reading? Why bother posting, for that matter. I'm not sure what you expected after less than a volume but I doubt it will suddenly morph into a fast paced manga, so please spare the rest of us.
    I bother posting because I'm a fan of Naoshi too. I really don't get what Naoshi wants with this story. Does he want a slice-of-life or a romcom?? I just wish he'd make it clear here. If he doesn't show us what he wants out of this story, he's gonna get axed for sure.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    While I appreciate you are a fan of Naoshi, this thread is for fans of Nisekoi. Constructive criticism is always appreciated and your disapproval for the pacing of the story has been noted. But now it is time for the discussion to move on, continuously posting the same criticism is becoming a disruption and adding nothing to the conversation. Now please let those of us who actually want to discuss the manga, the new chapters, the characters and the plot do so in peace.

    I assume my earlier post was not clear so I will slow it down a bit. Slice of life is an informal description of setting that many manga fans use to describe titles centered around home, work, and school. A slice of everyday life, if you will. It is a setting, not a genre. Romantic comedy is a genre, describing a title where romance is central to the plot and the story is delivered in a humorous manner. As slice of life is a setting, not a genre, it is impossible for an author to be conflicted over making a manga slice of life or romantic comedy. Happily, a manga needs both a plot and a setting, so Niseokoi is a slice of life romantic comedy. Or romantic comedy for short. I hope your ability to enjoy Nisekoi has improved now that it is clear that the plot and setting are not in conflict and that the mangaka is not being indecisive about which of the two to choose. And hopefully the rest of us can get back to actually discussing the manga we enjoy. I am certain there will never, ever be any discussion about the finer points of what makes a manga slice of life and what makes one a romantic comedy

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    Setting and plot are such fundamental aspects of storytelling that Mangahelpers is not the appropriate place to address confusion between the two. As the difference is generally a remedial topic irregardless of language, please refer to primary school reading and writing lessons to better understand the difference. Discussion regarding the difference between slice of life and romantic comedy will be deleted as off topic, as will any confusion about the order in which setting and plot are established. The order in which the two are established in Nisekoi should be immediately obvious simply by reading a few panels of chapter 1. The order in which the author "put forth" setting, why he chose to do so in the order he did, and why this was not a writing mistake should also be obvious after reading the first few panels of chapter 1. This topic does not need any further discussion and any further posts about the subject will be met with swift, immediate moderator action.

    Furthermore we have established that some readers do not care for the pace of Nisekoi. While understandable the subject has been discussed on numerous enough occasions that it is now merely interrupting discussion. Continued discussion may be deleted at moderator discretion. As will useless comparisons to Kagami. I am well aware that certain parties began voicing displeasure in the Jump TOC thread regarding Nisekoi's genre before serialization even began. While legitimate and understandable it has now been two months since the series began, it is time to move on and allow members who wish to discuss new chapters free reign to do so. Failure to be courteous and allow other members this right will be treated as a rules violation and breach of forum etiquette, offending posts will be deleted at moderator discretion. Further disciplinary action may be taken by the global moderator or administrative level if deemed appropriate.
    Last edited by Kaiten; December 19, 2011 at 03:47 PM.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    What the!!?? Here I am, giving out valid criticisms of Nisekoi and now you intend to shove away my criticisms just because you don't like it?? very mature.

    Look, I don't mind being proven wrong, but you don't have to act all so high and mighty about it. If you want to prove me wrong, then show me where I was wrong about.

    Where's the slice-of-life?? where's the rom-com?? and back to my question (that you deleted), why didn't he put the slice-of-life forward before the rom-com?? and if I'm wrong about that, then please show and explain it to me. That's all I'm asking for instead of just deleting my post like that.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    What the hell do you actually think slice of life is? Your question doesn't make any goddamn sense bro

    Seriously, slice of life is just the setting. The location Nisekoi takes place in is someone's home, school, and home town. Romantic Comedy is a genre, a vague categorization for titles with similar framing stories. Let us be very clear neither is the plot: the plot is a specific description of events in the story. Therefore "slice of life being put before romantic comedy" is a completely invalid statement, as genre can not be "put forward before" the setting. Each are unrelated aspects of the story, established independently of one another. To summarize: slice of life is a description of setting, the location a story takes place in. It does not describe the plot or the genre in any way. Romantic Comedy is a genre, a loose categorization for titles with similar framing story. Genre is not a description of setting, nor does it describe plot specifics. One can not be "put forward before" the other as they are put forward independent of each other. I hope that helped

    Do we have your permission to resume discussion of chapter 7 or do we have to hear about Kagami, the pace, or putting the setting before the genre again? Seriously dude, nobody cares and we don't want to hear anymore useless, repetitive complaints. It's been old, give it a rest. You've been complaining about the manga since chapter one.
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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    Quote Originally Posted by Newkerzy View Post
    What the!!?? Here I am, giving out valid criticisms of Nisekoi and now you intend to shove away my criticisms just because you don't like it?? very mature.
    Look I'm not such a fan of Nisekoi but it should at least be noted in any criticisms that this manga is still quite young, i.e. 7 chapters in. So thing is its still very difficult to give any statements or criticisms that may be conclusive or better yet too critical due to how young this manga is. I'd just like to request that criticisms on this manga be put on hold till say 20 chapters in since its really far too young - nor is this a cerebral manga like Shingeki that would easily generate such discussions. Reason I am giving out this request is that perhaps discussions have been a bit too harsh with regard to Nisekoi in being too hasty asking for this and that to happen when its only been 7 chapters in, I think part of the reason here is that I notice the ones who have been more critical (which include me) are IMO fans of Kagami. So that as with earlier discussions there was too much comparison between the two now that it was asked to tone that down we have other things to talk about but I think root is just how this and Kagami will differentiate themselves from one another as rom coms. Thanks

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and complaints about the pace, or complaints that another manga is better. Those are personal opinions that can not be discussed in a constructive manner or debated rationally. They are subjective opinions that differ from person to person. Everyone is welcome to express their opinion but repeating the same, personal complaints over and over is now doing nothing more than interrupting more constructive discussion. This is not acceptable nor is it fair to those who actually want to discuss the manga. I do not expect the problem to continue.

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    Re: [NEW] Nisekoi by KOMI Naoshi

    It looks like there are arguments about what is "slice of life."

    So, I think you guys should read this one before making an argument:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=uY87...page&q&f=false (Understanding Manga and Anime by Robin E. Brenner, read from page 112)

    Moderator message by: Hamy
    This will be the last post regarding this topic matter I'll allow in this thread both sides have had their say. Any other discussions such as this please continue through PM just remember to keep your courtesy with one another. Besides in the end its up to what the author in conjunction with SJ decides to label the series rather than the fans. When the first volume comes out and whatever tags its marketed as will be the genre it'll 'officially' follow as a classification.
    Last edited by Hamy; December 20, 2011 at 02:44 AM.

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