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So no you can't tell their power becuz of their shibukai status.
And not to mention how Crocodile got defeated by Luffy before haki or even gears.
That's one, now Luffy and Jimbei ... Even in water Luffy was so superior than Hody I know he was helped by shirahochi and the prince but still, in a fight in Which Luffy can fight on Land and Jimbei in water (Remember Luffy vs Arlong) Luffy would have a chance, and nothing like a guaranteed Jimbei's victory.
Sorry mods, I know this isn't the right place to discuss this issue.
Last edited by Black Lagoon; November 29, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason: I forgot a word
I really like him, but seeing as his story hasn't been delved into & how he's been fodderized like the rest, I think Hyouzou is gonna be used as the model for what the drugs do to a body.
He's older than the other NFP commanders and was the only one, besides Hodi, who took enough to get the super-powered effect. I think Choppers gonna notice him aching more than usual, attend to him & comment about the damage.
Btw pg 6 bottom left corner there's a fishman who jacked Trafalgar Laws hat
Sorry, but until Zoro actually shows that he can hit a Logia user I don't buy that he can fight against them. Also, how come Zoro can defend from a wall of fire? The only thing we know for sure is that Zoro was trained to make his swordsmanship better. We don't know if he has Haki. Also even if Zoro or Sanji know about Haki it doesn't make them Haki users.
Of course Hodi was way weaker than Luffy. His only benefit was pills that granted him that toughness, but still he had that insane toughness and I'm 100 percent sure that neither Zoro, nor Sanji will survive Luffy's Red Hawk, while Hodi actually managed to get to the fight again, take new pills and if not for Luffy's insane Elephant Gun we might have seen some more minutes of a fight.
Also, I really don't think that Jimbei being in water will lose to Luffy as he is now in the land. Jimbei is the strongest fishman karate user and he can throw plenty of see water at Luffy and we know that sea water is DF's weakness, also remember that move when fishman karate user uses water in human's body to attack. you just can't dodge this attack, because it affects water in your body.
Leaving the "who's stronger" stuff aside... sorry, if I'm interrupting something.
You know what bugs me about this chapter? Zoro, Usopp, and Nami looking sorrowfully (sort of) up into the sky ... I know they are his oldest nakama but it still feels a bit weird that Oda focussed on them as he showed them in the group and then again as closeups.
BTW, next "Deck of the Worlds" should be (W|V)iper and the Shandian warriors?
I didn't really want to read this entire thread to check, so forgive me if people already mentioned this, but aren't the sea kings in this chapter the same as the ones they encountered in the calm belt?
Exactly the same as the ones in this chapter.
Last edited by OdaForPresident; November 29, 2011 at 12:50 PM.
It doesn't matter how, but he can defend from fire and at the same time can hit normal human and Logia user or any DF user, so how come he isn't better in that department than Zoro or Sanji? So no. Zoro and Sanji won't be stronger than him until it will be proven otherwise. I would even doubt that Luffy is stronger than Jimbei. I actually believe that he is stronger, but not that much. And in water Jimbei can make at least a tie with Luffy.
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Sorry Uriel, but here's my contribution to this mess :
1- What's the point of knowing about Haki, and not learning it ? Can somehow explain this ? Luffy wasn't aware of it, Rayleigh told him and teached, if Zoro and Sanji knows about it, there's a huge chance that they may use it.
2- Ace pretty equal to Teach ? Sorry, Ace didn't show ANYTHING that could make BB lose the edge, that clash between the two was utterly dominated by BB, the first attack Ace launched, BB was explaining his power, and didn't do much to him, the second attack BB didn't see it coming, and yet it really didn't do anything to him. While a punch from BB nearly broke Ace's neck.
3- Jimbei having a draw is for two reasons : He can touch Ace, but can't nullify his powers. So in others words Jimbei was able to hit Ace, but not nullify his powers totally like BB did.
4- Crocodile vs Mihawk : Crocodile attacked Mihawk after he pwned Mr.1, and then change of panels, did we even saw them fight seriously ? No. So do we now if Mihawk used Haki against him ? No, but someone of Mihawk's caliber can use it (if Sentoumaro, and the chicks from Amazon Island can, why not Mihawk who is the best swordsman in the world)
5- If Luffy learned the basics of Haki in 2 years, why not Zoro and Sanji ? On the contrary, Oda has implied that Zoro and Sanji have a good chance to use Haki.
Hey guys, I hope you don't hate me for this, but I just started using this forum on the regular and I wanted to share my thoughts on the rest of this arc. If some of it has been said already, my fault - I have a lot of catch-up reading to do In any case, it's all here on this blog I started literally yesterday that I will be continuously updating not really for any views but just for fun :P --> onetheory: onepeace
Guys: Uriel opened the Bleackbeard thread for a certain reason, just as there is the Davy Back Fight Forum for a reason.
Last edited by Schabrak; November 29, 2011 at 03:38 PM.