Reborn 363 Discussion / 364 Predictions

[Schabrak]

The problem lies within MS translation, which seems to suck AGAIN! Lost and Defeated have to be interchanged.

Pirulito
Only the active number of watches is shown, with Fon owning one and having one lost eh defeated.

[Zeltrax]

This is ridiculous.
There's quite a few flaws in this chapter.
Firstly, Fon sending Hibari alone into an insane battle like that..it makes no sense.
Hibari might be number 1 in character polls but not in battle power. Either way, I fail to see the logic behind fon choosing him as the only one.
As if Hibari can survive till the end.

Did Hibari just called them insects? The people that he was fighting on their side with for the last 300+ chapters? I'm shocked to learn that he hasn't undergone any character growth. I really hope that amano do something about him and not make him do flashy stuffs and give cool and cocky speeches everytime he appears. I'm getting sick of that.

Why did Gokudera and Yamamoto retreat? I believe if they did put up a fight, it will be a nice one. Hibari might be dangerous and might be the second strongest in Vongola but that doesn't mean that yamamoto and gokudera will lose to him.
I mean, it is yamamoto and the right-hand gokudera.

Iemitsu allying with tsuna means that the other members of iemitsu will not fight the vongola anytime soon and that iemitsu vs tsuna is one time thing only.
He crashed his watch for his own benefit does not make sense because given his current power, he could crash tsuna's watch and proceed to crushing the rest of the vongola watches. I have to say that it is sympathy because he is his father.

Team verde, mukuro's team. The first enemy in katekyo! arc is suppose to be the dark house because of some random machine? They are suppose to be the one that progresses the most?
I totally did not see this coming.

Wow, a wall of text. The first time I'm doing it for reborn!

[R4n]

Why did Gokudera and Yamamoto retreat?

Ensuring Tsuna's safety is their 1st priority

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P.S. MS had revised the said problematic translation.

[Miyanoai]

I am happy to say I was quite satisfied with chapter. XD First off, seeing all their emo faces made me laugh and a diner is a pretty fresh setting. Now to the important reasons.
I was really psyched to see the fight b/w Hibari and Goku and Yama and well...it IS a bit sad that they didn't actually fight, but that would've taken more than one chapter. Plus the way they got away was actually pretty cool. That fact that they managed to stop Hibari at all was pretty impressive. (also, did anyone else hear fangirl screams with that face Hibari pulled on the fourth page...-_-')
An alliance between Reborn and Colonnello's team is just what I was waiting for. (oh so the shoe belonged to Dino...). It's pretty funny how Reborn and Colonnello say they are rivals, yet they can easily work together (plus they have so much in common). What the heck was up with Tsuna though? Is it nerves or some kind of bad premonition or what?
I knew the results would surprise me. Mukuro mentioned he was against troublesome opponents yet, his team still did pretty well. The numbers are bit confusing though. Kind of an odd circle...Mukuro was the first bad guy beaten, yet he still remains one of the strongest. Oh the irony.
And FINALLY I SEE FRAN AGAIN!! XDXD and he's....picking his nose...Although, I'm a bit sad that his choice wasn't creative. I guess I'm just wondering why he chose Mukuro's group. But dang, even without his memories, he must be a pretty powerful illusionist already. What the heck can those boxes do? But wait, if Fran's with Mukuro, who did that other Varia ring belong to?! O_O

1. Of course Fran had chosen Mukuro. Every child knows that fairies are better than the tooth decay fungies.

ROFL!!! That makes so much sense, for now that will answer my question. XD

The problem lies within MS translation, which seems to suck AGAIN! Lost and Defeated have to be interchanged.

I was wondering why 'lost' meant they defeated someone...lol. Also, the amount they have left if confusing. It can't be the number of watches cause Fon's team only has one, a.k.a. Hibari. But then how can Reborn's team have six when they started off with five and lost one....??? @_@ (or maybe it IS by watches, and Fon just gave the others back).

Why did Gokudera and Yamamoto retreat? I believe if they did put up a fight, it will be a nice one. Hibari might be dangerous and might be the second strongest
in Vongola but that doesn't mean that yamamoto and gokudera will lose to him.

They probably just didn't want to risk losing another watch in the same battle. Perfectly understandable in this situation.

[Zeltrax]

They probably just didn't want to risk losing another watch in the same battle. Perfectly understandable in this situation.

Not really. It was 2 against 1 and they didn't know about the "gift" that checkerface gave them, that gift being fon is able to use his powers.
Without this knowledge, I think the more advantageous thing is to take out hibari least he give them trouble later on.
Ryohei losing his watch was an example for them to be careful. As shown by yamamoto and gokudera, they can work together pretty well and I don't think they'll lose that easily, heck, they might even win.

Ensuring Tsuna's safety is their 1st priority

It's not understandable because they don't know tsuna is in danger.
And tsuna can always take care of himself.

[R4n]

exactly because they don't know, they need to find him and ensure he's fine. Once Tsuna's watch got destroyed, it's over. They will all lose, remember? >___>;;; the boss watch is their priority, and they gave the watch to Tsuna in the first place because he is usually near the rest of the team (aka school) so that they can go to him quickly in case anything happened. They already talked about it before the battle started.

Yamamoto and Goku is smarter than Ryohei in strategy and having their priority right in this case... *is prepared to get bashed by rabid Ryohei fans*

why do i even bother arguing. I am too old for some internet argument over... a fiction...... *mumbles* >___> *walks away*

[Zeltrax]

Haha no, it's fine. I made a mistake. I didn't remember the importance of the boss watch
But i still can't help but think this is a cheap-out by amano, so sorry. And Ryohei is always the one out first in an arc, which is a waste.
However, I don't think they will be around tsuna as always from now on, that will be silly for them to always be there to look after him.

[R4n]

ah, you replied before i have the chance to edit my post. I hope my previous one didn't sound too rude.
Ryouhei kinda look like a fool, poor him.... as much as i find his antics hilarious. x__X

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- also, since destroying a watch disqualify someone, couldn't people simply... hide their watch in unknown places using their ~*awesome*~ skills or something? or do they have to fight while wearing the watch? if they need to know the timing of the battle, they could have a person wearing the watch and inform the rest.

- are only the ones with the watch allowed to fight? can people who are not 'officially' in the team fight too?

- say if someone feed a participant unsanitary food so that he/she fell ill and can't fight properly, will that person be disqualified?


i certainly don't remember the entire rules, but i see several loopholes that can be exploited... this arc has potential to utilize strategies a la Liar Game or HxH.


...but of course, khr is khr.... i don't really expect it to be like other mangas or something.

[Sademi]

I don't understand why they would call Hibari the strongest guardian when there is Mukuro (it's like everyone has forgotten that Mukuro is part of the Vongola). Anyways, I'm looking forward to see Mukuro next chapter, and Fran ^^
I can't help but think that Fran got strong really fast :S It would have been hard even for Mukuro to defeat five people alone in 10 minutes, so Fran must have helped him. Ken, Chikusa and M.M. are rather weak compared to most of the others, so they might have defeated some weaker people though, contributing to that number of defeats.
As for who was eliminated on team Verde, I'd say either M.M. because... no one likes her, or possibly Ken, having messed up like Ryohei did. ^^

[Miyanoai]

It's not understandable because they don't know tsuna is in danger.
And tsuna can always take care of himself.

Well, the giant explosion that was in the school might be a hint...knowing that Tsuna was in the school at the time, they may not be sure thathe's affected, but of course they're going to assume that, especially Gokudera, knowing how overprotective he plus. Plus yeah...there's the fact that he has the boss watch.

- also, since destroying a watch disqualify someone, couldn't people simply... hide their watch in unknown places using their ~*awesome*~ skills or something? or do they have to fight while wearing the watch? if they need to know the timing of the battle, they could have a person wearing the watch and inform the rest.

- are only the ones with the watch allowed to fight? can people who are not 'officially' in the team fight too?

- say if someone feed a participant unsanitary food so that he/she fell ill and can't fight properly, will that person be disqualified?

Something tells me that these rules were explained outside outside of the manga, as in, they're pretty implied so why bother wasting pages on them. I, however, am quite sure they have to wear their watches in plain sight on their wrists (it's like flag football, lol). People who don't have the watches can't participate (though, I've no idea how they would prevent this if someonw tried). Not sure about about the third situation. I guess the person who's sick would have be replaced, but who knows what would happen to the culprit.

[HaouLelouch]

Let's hope Uni/Byakuran lost gamma, nozaru and gozaru rather than any of the funeral wreaths...although the funeral wreaths are definitely at a grave disadvantage if they don't have the mare rings/open carnage box.

[matzik1212]

Kyaaa Flan is finally in the story and yes i don't care even if he's a bad boy 'cause his the best ......i'm glad we can see his development and as expected he choosed Mukuro , but i can say that i'm surprised he's already that good as to be put practically on the same lvl as Mukuro , he's a genius

[KBraga]

Despite the mistakes of the MS I think that the numbers migth be right, my guessing is that as Fon is the quiet type and alike Hibari is not seeing crowding much he may not intend to have others representatives, and also it might've been one of Hibari's condition to join him.

I like Gamma and I personally think that he's strong that at least Daisy and Torikabuto - still not sure why Torikabuto was the RFW of the mist and not Genkishi and I don't like Genkishi either but he made more in the history than Torikabuto actually did - well going back to Gamma I see the reasons why he couldn't be a RFW one he was loyal to Uni so a trully blackspell - Giglio Nero - and two the mare thunder flame barer could be no one than ghost no way for him to compete with that, give Gamma a true mare ring and he is a very strong character.

Why does Hibari need any character development in relationships? I don't see any use for it, Hibari is what he is and if he changes and start to be happy and friendly with his vongola fellows it wouldn't match his role as the cloud guardian.

[elitefox]

This is ridiculous.
There's quite a few flaws in this chapter.
Firstly, Fon sending Hibari alone into an insane battle like that..it makes no sense.
Hibari might be number 1 in character polls but not in battle power. Either way, I fail to see the logic behind fon choosing him as the only one.
As if Hibari can survive till the end.

Did Hibari just called them insects? The people that he was fighting on their side with for the last 300+ chapters? I'm shocked to learn that he hasn't undergone any character growth. I really hope that amano do something about him and not make him do flashy stuffs and give cool and cocky speeches everytime he appears. I'm getting sick of that.

Why did Gokudera and Yamamoto retreat? I believe if they did put up a fight, it will be a nice one. Hibari might be dangerous and might be the second strongest in Vongola but that doesn't mean that yamamoto and gokudera will lose to him.
I mean, it is yamamoto and the right-hand gokudera.

Iemitsu allying with tsuna means that the other members of iemitsu will not fight the vongola anytime soon and that iemitsu vs tsuna is one time thing only.
He crashed his watch for his own benefit does not make sense because given his current power, he could crash tsuna's watch and proceed to crushing the rest of the vongola watches. I have to say that it is sympathy because he is his father.

Team verde, mukuro's team. The first enemy in katekyo! arc is suppose to be the dark house because of some random machine? They are suppose to be the one that progresses the most?
I totally did not see this coming.

Wow, a wall of text. The first time I'm doing it for reborn!

WEll, character development of Hibari

- became calmer
- he now shows that he thinks very carefully

he didn't bite to death the boxer, but instead just destroyed the watch... cockiness? or provoking them? Provoking is an art of war

Goku and yamamoto must not loose at this point, or else tsuna will have no guardians left


Well, illusionist have been a problem even in the future, hard to fight them cause they really cover themselves quite well

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I don't understand why they would call Hibari the strongest guardian when there is Mukuro (it's like everyone has forgotten that Mukuro is part of the Vongola). Anyways, I'm looking forward to see Mukuro next chapter, and Fran ^^
I can't help but think that Fran got strong really fast :S It would have been hard even for Mukuro to defeat five people alone in 10 minutes, so Fran must have helped him. Ken, Chikusa and M.M. are rather weak compared to most of the others, so they might have defeated some weaker people though, contributing to that number of defeats.
As for who was eliminated on team Verde, I'd say either M.M. because... no one likes her, or possibly Ken, having messed up like Ryohei did. ^^

Hibari is the strongest, look at his energy level, well mukuro is more of a strategist/deception to win

According to Amano too, Hibari is the strongest guardian

[sakura_fai]

The problem lies within MS translation, which seems to suck AGAIN! Lost and Defeated have to be interchanged.

They take the time to scan, translate, and scanlate the chapter RIGHT AFTER it's out in Japan. Fans should be thankful. Sure they made a few mistakes here and there, but they'll fix it if someone points it out....

Reborn watch dont count btw; technically there is 8 watches total: 1 Arcobaleno Watch, 1 Boss Watch, 6 Normal Watches. So basically Ryohei watch got destroy, Yamamoto & Gokudera escape, and Dino not participating; Tsuna, Gokudera, Yamamoto, Dino, and 2 free watches = 6.

But Fon only has 1 member left, and I'm sure he received a bunch of watches as well...not just one.

Well, Fon is pretty easy-going (so far) and he wasn't as worried when Gokudera and Yamamoto were running away, not as concerned as Hibari. Besides, I think Fon's going to train Hibari more, (esp the patience area) so I wouldn't count him out yet....

As for Hibari "betraying" them, ....did Tsuna ever truly ESTABLISH his guardians, i mean, yeah he gave them box weapons and a ring, but he didn't really lay the rules down that they were loyal to the vongola and etc. He just gave them the weapons and let them go...Hibari made it clear he was a loner, so the fact he teamed up to fight against Tsuna and Reborn is understandable. He's constantly looking for a fight, and this way he can fight Mukuro, Reborn, Tsuna, and other people without his teammates getting in the way.

As for Mukuro...he never was part of the Vongola, that was Chrome. He acts as the mist guardian since Chrome can't fight (yet), but he clearly stated he hated the mafia, and would do anything to get rid of it.

As for Ryohei, Lambo, and Chrome....could they please strengthen up, Amano, PLEASE?! I'm tired of the same people fighting, winning, and the same ones losing and tossed to the side. I mean, even if I don't like Lambo or Ryohei, it's still tiring to see them constantly lose. We all know Tsuna's going to be the last one standing because Yamamoto and Gokudera will somehow lose. -_-

But... Any bets on which team will get out first? XD