Hunter x Hunter Chapter 327 Discussion

[Uriel]

Where you got that those techniques are absolute? O_O

[Federicoxxx]

i wonder.. from WHO is that eye.. looking at Killua..






is not illumi one...neither hisoka.. ones....is not wrinkled..so is not tsubone...

i think this is a freaking good chance...2 introduce a completly new char...at the stage...

and i think is the informant..of illumi..whoever he or she is..

[Phantron]

Where you got that those techniques are absolute? O_O

Otherwise you'd get into a perpetual fight like this:

A: "I used level 10 In!"
B: "That's no match against my level 11 Gyo!"
A: "I've been holding back, it was actually level 12 In!"

Likewise Zetsu is absolute in the sense that everyone who matters that use it always has it at maximum proficiency, i.e. no aura observation is possible. Yes you can suck at Zetsu to the point where some aura is observeable but we're not talking about guys who failed Aura 101 here. Otherwise you can repeat the above dialogue but substitute Zetsu for In, and En for Gyo.

In, in particular, is pretty much an instant kill technique. Just because it's primarily used first by Hisoka in non-lethal ways, doesn't mean it's not a fatal technique. You can either materalize a rock and throw it at someone's face (hidden by In), or just throw an aura blast hiddened by In. Since Materialize and Emission are directly opposite of each other, that means people can be at most 1 school away from either Materialize or Emission so every fight in HXH, if Gyo countering In isn't absolute, would involve In, and the guy with the higher level In than the oppoennt's Gyo would always win because you're not going to fend off an attack you cannot see.

[roggie]

Where is the recoil coming from against Gotoh? If the rubber is outstretched, then you should see something like a bungee cord attached to his feet somewhere. If it's in a neutral state attached to his feet, then he'd have to exert some force to get the recoil. Does he stomp the ground really hard and the recoil bounce him straight up? How's that even different from just jumping?

Usually if something is too complicated/confusing i just let it go and maybe look for a good answer from the guys in the forum. Then if something odd pops up i try to add it to the discussion hoping this bring better theories
Anyway, what i wanted to show was the fact there was a line attached to kastro's chin and it's impossible he wouldn't feel something pulling him. Looking back to that episode we can think it was even a little farfetched but....

About the jump thing you asked, i guess he could have attached a line on some trees. And when he wants to jump he just add the rubber nature. My theory intends to make it impossible for him to store the kinetic energy of a cannon ball as some were complaining here. The rubber energy would be directly and only related to him. Pretty simple actually.

[Federicoxxx]

Guys...is Hisoka.. he doesnt need 2 set up trap like shikamaru of naruto ..and..
create a chessLIKE plan ....

he is fast and strong enough to move. .at that speed....once he release his bungee gum from his feets...

without any kind ..PREPARATIONS.. on the trees

[Phantron]

Actually it's because Hisoka is very strong that's why the whole thing makes even less sense. Would anyone be really surprised if Hisoka just jumped to avoid that attack? But it specifically said he used his ability, presumably to get extra speed or something, except then that brings up the question of where is his bungee cord attached to and how come Gotoh never saw it? You really wouldn't expect Hisoka to need anything special to dodge the attack or move around really fast. Is the point that Hisoka is actually pretty slow so he had to use his ability for a burst of speed?

As a point of reference, at the beginning of GI there's a small monster that moves extremely fast but can only move in a straight line during the training area. Biscuit said you're not supposed to try to train your eye to the point to keep up with the speed, but rather see which way it's going since it can only move in a straight line so you know where it's going next. If Hisoka is using this web-like thing above him for increased speed, he'd only be capable of moving in straight line too since he'd just be bouncing from thread to thread. Moving really fast in a predictable way = newbie training according to GI.

I think the whole ability thing is just way overkill. There's really no reason Hisoka would even need to use any ability to defeat Gotoh to begin with, unless the point is that Gotoh is surprisingly strong or that Hisoka is surprisingly weak. Gotoh, after all, is still only a butler. He's not supposed to be on par with Hisoka at all. Gotoh's coin roughly canceled out Hisoka's cards, but a coin is a much more durable object than a card. If they're supposed to be equally powerful, you'd expect Gotoh to shoot through the cards, so there's a pretty big difference between the two to begin with.

[Jack Van Burace]

Guys, Hisoka pulled a "coin-trick" on Gotoh using himself, and Gotoh was unable to see him moving. What's so hard to understand? The simple fact Hisoka hid his "Nen-web-throwing" within his card-shots is enough reason for Gotoh to miss that fact and not use Gyo, since the cards are visible targets. His attention was entirely focused on Hisoka, so he couldn't realize the trick.

Once Gotoh had his attention misdirected by the coin-devolution, Hisoka could slowly climb down from above and cut his throat while Gotoh didn't have a clue about where would he appear from.

Please watch this video to understand the basics of misdirection and how it doesn't require an incredible speed to work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0grANlx7y2E

You can rewind it later and see it's true.

[Airget]

i wonder.. from WHO is that eye.. looking at Killua..






is not illumi one...neither hisoka.. ones....is not wrinkled..so is not tsubone...

i think this is a freaking good chance...2 introduce a completly new char...at the stage...

and i think is the informant..of illumi..whoever he or she is..

I think the scene is being over-analyzed. Killua was comforting Alluka to make sure they didn't feel like a burden, he then embraced Alluka and used it as a moment to analyze the current situation to see who might be watching over them. He then pulled back and put on a happy face to hide the fact that something was wrong. He doesn't want to worry Alluka so he'll do whatever it takes to make it feel like they aren't a burden.

[ashher]

Where is the recoil coming from against Gotoh? If the rubber is outstretched, then you should see something like a bungee cord attached to his feet somewhere. If it's in a neutral state attached to his feet, then he'd have to exert some force to get the recoil. Does he stomp the ground really hard and the recoil bounce him straight up? How's that even different from just jumping?

The rubber was already stretched, his used the sticking property of gum to stop him from shooting out previously. He stopped the sticky gum nen,and then he started shooting freely.

Togashi explains this pretty clearly


"i threw out some elastic gums with my very first set of cards....So that if i were to release the sticky gum on my legs...i'd be able to fire whenever i pleased

this pretty much settles the question as to how Hisoka did what he did, and it definitely wasn't speed or recoil from concentrated elastic gum on his feet(which is something he should be able to do as well,theoretically)...it was the elastic bungee chords thrown with the cards.

As to why the chords were not visible, i've said already that its difficult to understand or explain. But you yourself made an excellent suggestion that hisoka can use the texture nen on top of his bungee gum to hide them in the background.

Or may be it was just a rope magic trick...which would be impossible to pull off in the given situation and surroundings in real life(as you yourself pointed out)...but in HxHverse, may be magicians are that just that damn good.

---------- Post added at 04:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 PM ----------

Guys, Hisoka pulled a "coin-trick" on Gotoh using himself, and Gotoh was unable to see him moving. What's so hard to understand? The simple fact Hisoka hid his "Nen-web-throwing" within his card-shots is enough reason for Gotoh to miss that fact and not use Gyo, since the cards are visible targets. His attention was entirely focused on Hisoka, so he couldn't realize the trick.

Once Gotoh had his attention misdirected by the coin-devolution, Hisoka could slowly climb down from above and cut his throat while Gotoh didn't have a clue about where would he appear from.

Please watch this video to understand the basics of misdirection and how it doesn't require an incredible speed to work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0grANlx7y2E

You can rewind it later and see it's true.

In RL, the type of trick Hisoka pulled out isn't possible with only misdirection. He can only get to cover the act of throwing out the elastic gum chords...but once the chords were there, he needs to camouflage them.

[lobo971]

OMG Hisoka is a Giant Spider! O_o i bet he can let tons of threads of his pansygum all over the place by jumping like this and then use it like a real frikkin spider! ( anybody touching the threads would be automaticly caught/spotted) cant believe of wide his range of action can be with his ability, cant wait to see him fighting again and see what it can do more...

[hunted]

OMG Hisoka is a Giant Spider! O_o i bet he can let tons of threads of his pansygum all over the place by jumping like this and then use it like a real frikkin spider! ( anybody touching the threads would be automaticly caught/spotted) cant believe of wide his range of action can be with his ability, cant wait to see him fighting again and see what it can do more...

and it is to become a big proof for kurapica to hunt him down ...

[Sachsenhesse]

Otherwise you'd get into a perpetual fight like this:

A: "I used level 10 In!"
B: "That's no match against my level 11 Gyo!"
A: "I've been holding back, it was actually level 12 In!"

Likewise Zetsu is absolute in the sense that everyone who matters that use it always has it at maximum proficiency, i.e. no aura observation is possible. Yes you can suck at Zetsu to the point where some aura is observeable but we're not talking about guys who failed Aura 101 here. Otherwise you can repeat the above dialogue but substitute Zetsu for In, and En for Gyo.

In, in particular, is pretty much an instant kill technique. Just because it's primarily used first by Hisoka in non-lethal ways, doesn't mean it's not a fatal technique. You can either materalize a rock and throw it at someone's face (hidden by In), or just throw an aura blast hiddened by In. Since Materialize and Emission are directly opposite of each other, that means people can be at most 1 school away from either Materialize or Emission so every fight in HXH, if Gyo countering In isn't absolute, would involve In, and the guy with the higher level In than the oppoennt's Gyo would always win because you're not going to fend off an attack you cannot see.

actually there is such a thing, remeber that training under biscuit there was lvl 1 training emission for gon etc.

hisoka has always used in... in every fight we saw from him and in every fight he did use bungeegum in another way then we are used to

[Phantron]

If Hisoka has some kind of thread/web attaching to a higher point above him, you can't camoflauge that because it'd be a thread in the middle of nowhere unless Gotoh can't tell the difference between nothing and something. It doesn't matter what you make the thread look like, it's still going to stick out rather obviously compared to nothing. It's not even a dimly lit environment where you might possibly miss the threads.

Stop thinking In as a trick just because Hisoka pretty much use it in the worst way possible. Depending on whether you're closer to Emission or Materialize, you can either use In on an Emission attack, or use In on a Materialized rock and throw it at someone's face. If you can't deal with In both attack will pretty much kill the opponent no matter what, so the fact that anyone who made it past Aura 101 can't deal with In is ridiculous, because they should have died a long time ago if they didn't know how to deal with it. This isn't something you get distracted or whatever, because forgetting to deal with In literally means you die instantly. And if there are higher level of In that you can't see through with Gyo, you might as well just roll over and die. No HXH character has shown to have any capacity to deal with an invisible attack, so any of the two aforementioned methods will kill any human type character in HXH if they can't see the incoming attack.

Hisoka wasn't depicted to be using Gyo either (no special illustratino on his eyes). Why don't people say Gotoh could've Materialized one of his coins, use In, and throw it? Then Hisoka would probably be dead, or at least knocked out (throw an object at HXH strength at someone's face and if they're not aware of it coming, it should at least knock you out).

In/Gyo mechanism is pretty much like an equivalent of "No rush" in a RTS. When two high level characters meet there's an implicit implication neither will ever use In so they don't have to spend the whole time showing Gyo on their eyes either, because otherewise the whole fight would just be about In/Gyo and you'd never see anything else, because as soon as you miss an In, you'd be dead.

[hgfdsahjkl]

there were multiple threads even if gotoh used gyo he will just see a countless track of threads he won't be able to decide on which way hisoka gonna use and at the same time Hisoka kept him busy by the coins launching at him FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS,he used that moment to steal his finishing move from a blind angle to gotoh

and add to that,it seems that he was moving behind the trees and I think Hisoka can switct from a track to another,yes,he moves in a straight line but he can switch from one to another

and am not sure,but what prevents Hisoka from doing that trick even without the cards,he can just used it on a tree

[Tombadgerlock]

Gyo seems to be vision of sight only, too.

At that time, all of the line of bungee gum in in were hidden by trees/whatever anyway, and in 360° at least around Gotoh.