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Last edited by Josef K.; December 13, 2011 at 06:29 PM.
What Nao is talking about, I have no idea. It could be anything. Not everyone wins. The more money you bid, the more money the dealers take.
From a player perspective: The trap is in attempting to win and overbidding for cards. Yes, you might end up winning and advancing to the next round, but you could end up making no money. The goal is to end up in 2nd to last with the most money.
Incidentally speaking, from the spoiler's explanation of the rules, it looks like a player could lose the game without bidding once and walk away with 50 million. If a player was somehow only that little in debt, that would be a decent play if they wanted out.
Walking away with 50 million would not be enough. At the moment the least amount of debt they are in is 100 mil because that is the amount they were just given to play the game. 50 million would not cover either this game or previous debt.
from the rules one thing struck my mind
why on earth would someone discard their cards. when it will profit only their opponents?
i mean if you look at the rules ,
not a single one says that player have to discard a card to participate in change sesions.
so best strategy should be hather as many cards you can as in minimum amount of money as losers will be those who failed to get 5 cards.
and if you have more than 5 cards , the best possible hand will be choosen.
note:the number of cards in deck is 52 while there are 11 players(in stage A).so if 10 players have 5 cards then 11th will have only 2 cards.
hence the person with less than 5 cards will be losers and anyone with 5 or more cards will move to 5th round
The question is whether it is announced who wins each card and with what bid. It could be done either way an be an interesting game, but they are obviously very different games.
Last edited by Reclaimer; December 13, 2011 at 03:23 PM. Reason: Chapter is out and covered an issue I mentioned.
The game sounds very simple, it's just one round and the one in "last" or all the "Pigs" can't enter the next round. While the aspect of obtaining 200mil seems enticing it definitely appears to be a trap to lul the players into a false sense of hope. While a person who bids nothing will end up with -50 it means the rest will be able to progress. Logically speaking the best way to go about such a game would be to big as low as possible and have everyone work together to pick one person to leave the game
Though played like they want it to be played you'll see something like
With 300 coins if you're doing this for money with only one person losing you can only bid up to 100 to break even. 2nd 40 and 3rd 10. If you can get more people to lose though then your prize amount will increase so if one is able to bid on all of the starting lots a good strat would be to obtain 2 hands to throw off another player.
A person then could bid 50 50 50 50 50 50 and wind up with 6 hands. This in essence might make 6 people lose the game. 5 have a hand, and if there were only 14 cards left, only two people would be able to claim a hand. So the end result would be that if said person managed to win they would obtain 400 coins though bidding a high amount would be risky, once said concept was caught on others may begin to bid higher causing your strat to fall flat.
But in the end this game seems to come down to bidding low, while you may want to advance to the next game to break even the competitive nature that this game suggest will just sink you deeper into depth. I have a feeling that she may get Abe to forfeit the game since if she can "save" one person then the others won't have to bid as much. While of course we'll most likely see this game played out from the rules themselves it would appear that if you can just pick one person to leave the game there would be a lot less coin lost overall.
Simple enough with the Mock Test you'll have
So basically after the bidding you have
Now the Lot A-F come into play which is where it could get real competitive.
Since it's only 4 hands it should be easy enough to memorize what each person has so say
Player 1 wants A and B
Player 2 wants A and C
Player 3 wants D and F
Player 4 wants A, B or C
So everyone knows each others hand so for the first bid you see
Player 3 takes it knowing that said cards would be a strong hand for the other players, while taking a hit with his coins they know that they're odds of winning will now be higher
While player 2 took notice of this player 4 really wanted it for their hand so they anticipated said movement
Since this is the only other lot that can give Player 2 a better hand they bid high hoping it'll grant them first
Since player 1 was unable to obtain the lots he wanted they now attempt to thwart other players hands from becoming stronger in hopes that they can at least gain 2nd or 3rd
Lot E is ignored since no one saw an advantage from the cards offered
As before player 1 lots against 3 to keep them at a disadvantage
After all is said and done the results are
1200-1031=169 lost through bidding
With the mock test said bidding may not be as competitive but when the real game begins I would imagine the amount of cash lost to the dealer will be greater cause they don't want to be removed from the Liar Game with a debt. It'll definitely be interesting to see how things play out but it would appear that the cult may have an advantage since they can manipulate the odds in their favor. They'll have control of 4 hands most likely so from that point they could decide which one works best and while the three can aim to lot on hands that would help their opponents the 4th can focus on lotting the cards that'll help them win.
As for "Pig" I do understand why it does seem kind of odd to discard your cards, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to doing it since they haven't noted a hand limit, unless they forgot to add that you can only hold up to 6 cards. But if you can't then "Pigging" seems to be a way to increase the reward pool without giving to much to the dealer.
If you have 6 people "Pig" and not do a single thing they'll all have a -50 million debt on top of their old debt but the 900mil would be going to players rather then the dealer. It would appear that the first thing that should be done by Akiyama's group is convince the other 5 who don't want to be in the game anymore to "Pig" without spending their coins on bidding for cards. Since if they bid for cards and end up losing then they'll be in more then a -50mil added debt. At the same time however if Akiyama or Nao can obtain 1st then they can freely give back the 150 mil to the losers to help them pay off their debts.
With that in mind the fight itself could just turn into a 2 vs 4 with Nao trying to convince Abe to work for them since they would be at quite a disadvantage with those odds. If the ones who wanted Akiyama to replace them attempt to play then they'll be playing right into the Games trap of giving money to the dealer when they could easily concede and Trust that the winner will help them out. I wouldn't be surprised if after the mock Test Akiyama announced that he'll take on the debts of anyone who "Pigs".
Perhaps I"m wrong though maybe there is another trick to the game being missed lol though I do wonder how Yuji will be able to go up against Yokoya. It sounds like the fight there will be a lot tougher then the one presented for Nao and Akiyama.
In case people haven't noticed, the chapter is out.
Get it on TDX's site: http://tdx-manga.livejournal.com/12926.html
Last edited by Reclaimer; December 13, 2011 at 03:32 PM.
@Airget the player who does nothing will have a profit of 50mil not debt
players are given 300mil and they have to return 100mil so they will have extra 200mil
now losers will have to give 150mil so they are left with 50mil profit.
Well, a few comments on the game... the whole thing is a huge trap.... The people who are last getting 150 mill deducted would be a massive trick to get a huge debt. Heck, all of them could end up in massive debt to say the least as they would seem to be playing against the liar game office too and not just the players. More so, the maximum amount they can win is very inferior to the amount they can lose to say the least (meaning that it is impossible to recover all the lost money if it is possible at all). The best way to go about this is that every player actually ends up last once (and only one player at one time) so as to minimize the money lost to the office. I love the game lol. More so, getting into a bid war is a horrible mistake. The greatest amount you should ever bid should be 100 mil and only if you are certain you can win and that only would result in breaking even. Most people will bet aiming to be high however the possibility of making money is low as the amounts are set. The game will slowly eat away the money they all have. The biggest issue would be that since you bid for cards there is a strong chance everyone will get what they want to some degree. In this regard a mere trio won't be enough to win while in regular poker you would go all in with that.... Very interesting game to say the least.