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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
How many friggin chances did Tobi have to simply warp Naruto but nooooo...this guy wants to wait until war starts so its actually a challenge.
- Given Tobi's powers...he should be able to warp anywhere at anytime and do anything he wants, but he just seems to have all these flaws in his plans, Tobi simply seems like a complete retard to me right now.
- Wasn't Tobi's Original Goal to let Sasuke go after Naruto...other than that, he even said he'd force Naruto and Sasuke to fight, yet this guy Tobi wanted to warp Naruto and win the war in the previous chapter that came out.
- As for Kishi , the 5 Kage's and Madara. Why the hell isn't Kishi making Madara use more friggin meteors, Madara has unlimited chakra as an Edo Tensei, also why isn't Madara using his Sharingan, Sharingan is a lot better for fighting more than one opponent than Rinnegan is. Rinnegan allows you to fight and kill without even moving. I want some Sharingan action.
- Madara should be able to spam a bunch of techniques as an Edo Tensei, but Kishi just keeps downgrading all the enemies of this pointless war.
- Also why doesn't Kishi let Sasuke join the war, everything he's done up until Naruto unlocking Rikudou mode makes sense to me but, once again...Kishi immediately downgrades Naruto again, comparing him to the other Jinchuurikis and their tailed beast modes. naruto should be faster than all of the tailed beasts, but no, Kishi's just letting the tailed beasts beat on Naruto so we get to see some of their old fashioned techniques, and one more thing...why has there been no blood from Naruto, like seriously this guy gets hit in everyone single section of the manga chapters now-a-days...and no blood...I seriously think Kishi's gone soft.l
- I think the war is a bad idea for a Manga Arc because it's just Major fan-service. "OH I WANT TO SEE MADARA IN ACTION!" "OMG KISHI PUT IN SOME OF THE NINJAS FROM THE FILLER NARUTO MOVIES!" "OMG NARUTO IS FIGHTING ON ALL BAttLE FRONTS WITH CLONES, AND THEY DONT go...POOOOOF...after 1 hit. Kishi fix your manga now..
FIX YOUR MANGA...NOWWW!!!
I miss when there used to be actual ninjas fighting...it's just DBZ alllll over again...
But of course, mysteries and manipulation from a masked guy who's usurping identities is... a big surprise. As much as instability is, from a maniac switching from the cheekily-joking Akatsuki, to the self called Madara, to the "No-one, no one at all!"... yep: big surprises...
I think narutotheory has a point. Kishimoto treated the fights in this arc in a way which is much below his usual standards. Why madara isn't using meteors is a valid question. Kishimoto needs to specify the abilities and limits of edo tensei. Also why tobi changed from his plan to pit sasuke against naruto is something i really want to know. In fact what use he has of sasuke is something we still don't know. I don't agree that the war has become dbzish, but certainly it has become a bit less coherent. At this point, i can only hope that kishimoto can tie up his plot lines in future.
@ashher: wonder as well about Tobi's real motives towards Sasuke, fueling his hatred and such things. Doesn't mean it has no sense, though... it still is an ongoing plot.
Yes, his team is dead so they can't help him use Gedou mazo to extract he bijuu. We aren't privy to all of Tobi's plots. He's doing alot of other thing besides extracting bijuu. It takes time to do those other things and the actions of Bee and Naruto have foiled his plans. He's had setbacks, why is this a problem?Quote:
Plans change. He got Sasuke to take Itachi's eyes earlier than expected. I don't believe Tobi meant for Sasuke to confront Naruto for his bijuu, he meant them to fight so he could make Sasuke a better pawn under his control.Quote:
That's just flat out wrong. He does several sharingan douutsu, wood jutsu, summoning jutsu , fire justu, taijutsu, and genjustu. All this in 2 chapters. What more does the guy have to do? Nothing, he's established himself as a competant badass.Quote:
Whoever said the other Jinchuurili were chumps? Just because they were captured doesn't mean they're fodder. Yes, Naruto is getting beaten up by the other 6 Jinchuuriki so we can see they're abilites. They're also formiddable. Just becau Naruto has gotten a power-up doesn't mean his experinece has gotten any better. People always make the false assumption just because you get a power-up doesn't mean you can't get your ass handed to you. Experience matters and the Jinchuuriki have more developed abilites than Naruto does and are being manipulated by Tobi. Tobi is way more experienced than Naruto is. They should be wiping the floor with Naruto...and they are.Quote:
So basically you want the war to be run like the chuunin exam. This is war, not a chuunon exam. The pyrotechnics are going to be bigger, the players are going to be more powerful, and the devastation greater. You think Madara could eliminate all 8,000 members of the Division 4 with 1 kunai and some paper bombs? No. The scale of destruvtion has exceeded what simple ninja tools can produce, but that's not surprising since is going to be the battle that settles it all.Quote:
The Mizukage was shown breathing hard during his fight against Gaara.
There is a lot of things in this manga that doesn't make sense, but who cares? I love reading Naruto regardless. Of coruse, I do questions why Tobi is one minute Madara, the next he is Tobi again (lack of a plan on the mangakas behalf?), but so what? lol. I'm just thinking 'what's next'. I mean after this war, where will the story go?
There's actually a very valid reason why Madara doesn't use another meteor: it would leave him vulnerable: Gaara and Oonoki could stop it, while the shockwave would put Madara regenerating and then Mei, A and Tsunade could seal him.
I have always been against the idea that madara could simply warp to where naruto is and warp him. For one thing, his warp is not quite as fast as it would need to be. We have seen there is an entire spiraling process to the whole thing. Even if he were to do it in naruto's sleep he would need to know where exactly naruto is (which he can't know for sure unless he has zetsu spores on the guy) and even then he would have to work under the assumption that in the time it takes him to warp in, suck naruto and warp out naruto won't react nor would leaves-people notice. Now, even if he did pulled it off he would have to confront naruto at some point as naruto is unlikely to simply sit there and take it. More so, what would be the point of warping in and taking naruto when they need to capture every other biju first?
I would disagree quite a bit on sharingan being better for fighting than sharingan. The techniques the rinnengan gives are quite brutal and have shown enormous power to say the least. I would have god path powers over sharingan at least lol (nagato could repel amaterasu for crying out loud lol) and for god path a shinra tensei was pretty much enough to own naruto (the tide of the battle changed the second he got that technique back). As for the kage battle, we have barely seen it to say madara won't use more meteors.
There is also the fact that sasuke only recently recovered from his operation. Sending sasuke to the war would be a bit of a bad idea IMO too. An internationally wanted man as the sole actual living creature in the army? He would be made a target off 5 seconds into the war.
First thing this is not a traditional ninja manga and kishi was inspire by DB of course they will be similar. This ninjas wear bright clothes and creatE huge water dragon and have demons in them this should have made you realize it was not a normal ninja manga. So saying you want it to be one is wrong since it never was. Also it seems you want this war to be like the chunin exams it cant this is war. Tobi may have wanted to have naruto and sasuke fight but plans change. And a reason why sasuke has not entered the war is because sasuke has nothing to gain in the war he cares for neither side. Naruto has gotten stronger of course his clones would not always be weak to lose after one hit. About madara not nuking them with comets he said he wanted to test out his abilitys and whipping the kages in one move is not it. He is messing around trying new abilities.
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Why would tobi have warped naruto in the start since the kyuubi according to itachi has to be sealed last. And if it was that easy he would have dones it naruto is not going down easy and tobi knows this. He was waiting for the best opportunity. And who said the jins were weak they were never stated to be jusy cause they were caught. Plus right now they are immortal zombies that have a rinnegan to have shared vision and sharingaan to predict moves and not to mention have their bijuus is them with the ability to use it at will. Of course naruto would struggle and thank to tobi this jins have become perfect jons like bee. In the past only yagura and bee were perfect jins and thanks to tobi now all 6 naruto is facing have full control over the bijuus. Also remember naruto has fought all over and has clones fighting he is not at full power since he cantalr anymore clones as shown when he tried to make one when talking to itachi.
Last edited by NAM61; December 11, 2011 at 01:58 PM.
Yeah, HOW many?! Aside from that: if we consider his character too, it makes perfect sense WHY he didn't do it sooner <or later or whatever>Originally Posted by narutotheory
It was already established in the manga, methinks, that Madara enjoys fighting strong opponents, he's like Kenpachi Madara - it wouldn't be fun if it didn't last long.Originally Posted by narutotheory
Because he had transplantation?Originally Posted by narutotheory
Not to mention the 'character' of Madara: he seems to enjoy the fight to its fullest, it would be SAD for him if he defeated his opponents right away <going by the way he is talking about devastations or about fighting the kages - its like fun for him>Originally Posted by hakuthehedgehog
*sigh* lol another silly rant i really didnt want to reply but i do want to say something about Madara
i mean seriously the guy did so much in one chapter, he showed speed taijutsu, sword play, katon, genjutsu, sussano, 2 super meteors, mokuton, and whatnot, you have no room to complain about Madara and his techniques
oh btw Kishi was inspired by DB/DBZ when he created naruto, just saying
narutotheory makes a good point. Sometimes it feels like Tobi is a Bond villain leaving Naruto alone in a room with no surveillance giving Naruto plenty of time to escape an over elaborate, slow moving trap. The guy freed the kyuubi, leveled Konoha, forced yondaime to sacrifice himself, founded Akatsuki, brainwashed yondaime Mizukage, and starts the fourth world war but a single teenage boy somehow evades him? For the most part I think Kishi is a good writer but that makes no sense.