This Manga Doesn't Make Sense Anymore (Rant)

[shinsengumi]

Its not imposible to keep eyes alive inside an arm. I am sure that we are not that far away in doing that in real life (not that we would have a reason to do so). Now if Danzou could actualy see trough them... But he could not... All he was doing is holding the eyes inside his arm alive.

still ,being able to use the ability of those eyes (izanagi) makes no sense to me . its more than just keeping them alive

If Kabuto's actions made no sense to you then i gues you started reading this manga from part 2? You probably missed Oro summon 2 of them himself? Kabuto just improved on it and is able to summon more.

i guess you dont know the difference between summoning 2 and summoning thousands . prolly you started reading from the 4th ninja war arc so you dont know the fact that the stronger the technique ,the higher the cost . like MS users going blind , performers of shiki fuujin giving up their lives etc

But both of them make sense actually...the Edo Tensei spam has its hole here and there but the Sharingarm is pretty believable in the context of what we are seeing today..Shodai plant, Zetsu clones, Tobi's body is not very natural...

well you know i have my own theory on edo tensei -on how could that be possible- but i wont be convinced until i hear kishi's explanation on that


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these 2 things i said above IMO are the deterioration points where power levels became DBZish

[ashher]

I actually like the outrageous-ness of Kabuto's Edo Tensei. Hyping one single jutsu up as the greatest ninjutsu...i wouldn't have thought it'll be possible to come up with anything living up to that much hype. But Edo Tensei actually did it, only if kabuto were a bit more careful with his summonings. remember oro's crazy dream about being able to do all jutsus? In fact Edo Tensei can be the way to do just that very thing.

[Brill]

For me the manga went downhill the second pain did not stab hinata in the head. I never got over how a baby murderer did not outright killed her. The manga went so under from that point that a few chapters later kishi had nagato called what appeared to be a whale shenlon to resurrect everyone who died. Why not have hinata among the many dead if a couple of chapters later she would have been revived? Technically its bad writing to simply revive everyone so randomly however it was already bad writing for pain to do something so absurdly out of character with no mention or explanation of it.

Let's ask this question. When a mosquito is trying to suck the blood out of you how often do you miss at swatting it? Pain clearly viewed Hinata as a bug and didn't bother to follow through with it. She just got lucky. Same could have been said with Choji, Neji, and Kiba when the went after Sasuke. They all could have died when pursuing Sasuke but Kishi didn't want to write them off. It not bad writing especially when it's made to build tension and that clearly was goal for Hinata's involvement.

[narutotheory]

Let's ask this question. When a mosquito is trying to suck the blood out of you how often do you miss at swatting it? Pain clearly viewed Hinata as a bug and didn't bother to follow through with it. She just got lucky. Same could have been said with Choji, Neji, and Kiba when the went after Sasuke. They all could have died when pursuing Sasuke but Kishi didn't want to write them off. It not bad writing especially when it's made to build tension and that clearly was goal for Hinata's involvement.

Nice attempt to justify the ends by the means. But Hinata is just plain weak compared to all the other enemies out there, no matter how much Naruto encourages her. Plus tenten only uses weapons so she's completely useless. Then there is sakura, all she can do punch you and heal you. Then there is Ino, all she can do to work well is only in the ino-shika-cho formation, other than that she's just useless and with her big boobs. Kishi gives the women in this manga low power but a strong personality.

[xXan]

@shinsengumi

still ,being able to use the ability of those eyes (izanagi) makes no sense to me . its more than just keeping them alive

The eyes are just stored there. Danzou just directs his chakra to them and activates them somehow. He does not even know if they are opened or closed, he had to keep chaking this out. So he does not even feel them. They are just stored and kept alive.

guess you dont know the difference between summoning 2 and summoning thousands . prolly you started reading from the 4th ninja war arc so you dont know the fact that the stronger the technique ,the higher the cost . like MS users going blind , performers of shiki fuujin giving up their lives etc

Gues you just make asumtions. I read this manga from part one, more exacly from the exams.
This techs is not like any other one. You summon the dude and then the chakra cost is GONE. You just need to rest and summon another one. The only real chakra cost is when he is direcly controling them. Once the puppet is summoned they exist independently in our world, the user does not need to expend chakra or whatever to keep them there. Then he just programs them like robots and makes them go on the battlefield. They are following a program with no chakra cost on Kabuto's part.
The jutsu does have a great cost... It requires HUMAN SACRIFICES to work. It is a great cost, of course for dudes that don't give a crep about human life... not so much lol

Now as Itachi said all jutsus do have a weakness and he is curently on his way to kick Kabuto's ass. Let's w8 and see what happends.

[Exodi]

Nice attempt to justify the ends by the means. But Hinata is just plain weak compared to all the other enemies out there, no matter how much Naruto encourages her. Plus tenten only uses weapons so she's completely useless. Then there is sakura, all she can do punch you and heal you. Then there is Ino, all she can do to work well is only in the ino-shika-cho formation, other than that she's just useless and with her big boobs. Kishi gives the women in this manga low power but a strong personality.

Tsunade and Mei disagree with you.
As does Konan, the only character in the manga to actually use the main villian's strength to her advantage.

[1035AMC]

Another question that has been really bothering me is where is all the chakra supporting the edo tensei's and their jutsus is coming from? It cannot be possible that kabuto has that amount of chakra.

I agree with you. Kishi is leaving way too many loose ends. By the end of this manga I doubt he is going to answer all of them

[badluckartist]

Another question that has been really bothering me is where is all the chakra supporting the edo tensei's and their jutsus is coming from? It cannot be possible that kabuto has that amount of chakra.

It presumably comes from the human that is sacrificed for ET. I imagine using a living human sacrifice as a battery would give all sorts of neat benefits.

[xXan]

It presumably comes from the human that is sacrificed for ET. I imagine using a living human sacrifice as a battery would give all sorts of neat benefits.

That can't be. Where would Kabuto find people with Naruto level of chakra? Just think about the super huge jutsu's this dudes are trowing around and especialy Madara. Then how about the jins? The humans would defenetly not have Biju level of chakra.

Tsunade and Mei disagree with you.
As does Konan, the only character in the manga to actually use the main villian's strength to her advantage.

Emm no... Tsunade is not weak BUT compared to peeps on her level she is REALLY weak. Oro and JMan where above her by a nice margine.
What exacly is Mei doing that impresed you? Spitting some lava? Come on.
Konan? Got 1 shooted by JMan, only killed fodder and had insane info about Tobi to take him down, great prep time and still failed completly. If she never had info and prep she would be a great 0 to Tobi. Taking advantage of prep and info does in no way means she has great power, it just means she is smart.

No babes are really impresive in this manga. They are smart sure, can prep sure but when it comes to fighting they are not impresive. If you ask me that old women that helped Sakura take down Sasori was more impresive then the ones you just posted.

[ninjabot]

I was of the opinion that the Edo Tensei were supplied with the same chakra they had when they died, as if they were still alive. Since Chakra is mental and physical energy molded together, the mental comes from their soul being still intact where as the physical... well, maybe the bodies are alive, but still dead, ala actual zombies?

Zombies are alive enough to have hunger and control over their movements. Apparently Edo Tensei are alive enough to... produce chakra.

[Rikudou King]

That can't be. Where would Kabuto find people with Naruto level of chakra? Just think about the super huge jutsu's this dudes are trowing around and especialy Madara. Then how about the jins? The humans would defenetly not have Biju level of chakra.

The former Jinchuurikis were explained by Tobi reinserting their Bijuus back into the host, thus we know where their current source of chakra is coming from. As for the other Edo summons, it could very well be a combination of them generating their own chakra along with drawing upon the chakra from the sacrifice.

[walkie]

i think some of you guys take this manga very seriously, more than needed, which is i think; a succes for kishi

for ex: mangas such as bleach or one piece doesnt give enough detail about how power ups or power-logics go, but people still love it, like me. so why bother about naruto this seriously. even edo tensei is not logical so if you accept it can be a justu why not the ones who are back also have his all chakra u get my point???

what i like about naruto is, kishi tries to give explanations about jutsus or power up, tries to give it in a "sense of manga logic". that makes manga looks more real, but in the end, sometimes we should let it go, after all manga or comics are for fun. and i dont think any manga totally logical will be fun. but that is my idea after all...

[ninjabot]

^That annoys me to no end though. I've ranted and raved about how terrible Kubo Tite writes because he wants us to believe certain things within his canon without explaining. I can't focus on what's actually happening because I'm scratching my head worrying about what already happened that didn't make sense.

Letting it go could be for the best some times, but not whenever it confuses people into mistaking certain things as fact when they obviously aren't. That kind of mentality causes a LOT of the colorful debates you see around here, lol.

Want a perfect example? Kisame and Itachi vs. Jiraiya. Itachi claimed they would either lose or die while winning if they both fought him, yet we saw both of their individual strengths and it's obvious that Jiraiya couldn't beat either of them on his own, let alone at the same time. That's one very definate example of a time where you don't wanna "just let it go."

[UchihaHunter]

^That annoys me to no end though. I've ranted and raved about how terrible Kubo Tite writes because he wants us to believe certain things within his canon without explaining. I can't focus on what's actually happening because I'm scratching my head worrying about what already happened that didn't make sense.

Letting it go could be for the best some times, but not whenever it confuses people into mistaking certain things as fact when they obviously aren't. That kind of mentality causes a LOT of the colorful debates you see around here, lol.

Want a perfect example? Kisame and Itachi vs. Jiraiya. Itachi claimed they would either lose or die while winning if they both fought him, yet we saw both of their individual strengths and it's obvious that Jiraiya couldn't beat either of them on his own, let alone at the same time. That's one very definate example of a time where you don't wanna "just let it go."

But...but...the hair! And...the swamp!

[xXan]

The former Jinchuurikis were explained by Tobi reinserting their Bijuus back into the host, thus we know where their current source of chakra is coming from. As for the other Edo summons, it could very well be a combination of them generating their own chakra along with drawing upon the chakra from the sacrifice.

How about the 2 dudes with kyuubi chakra then? Also i only remember this:
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40753439/1

Can you link me Tobi stating that? I missed it :P Ty.

@ninjabot

That annoys me to no end though. I've ranted and raved about how terrible Kubo Tite writes because he wants us to believe certain things within his canon without explaining. I can't focus on what's actually happening because I'm scratching my head worrying about what already happened that didn't make sense.

Letting it go could be for the best some times, but not whenever it confuses people into mistaking certain things as fact when they obviously aren't. That kind of mentality causes a LOT of the colorful debates you see around here, lol.

Want a perfect example? Kisame and Itachi vs. Jiraiya. Itachi claimed they would either lose or die while winning if they both fought him, yet we saw both of their individual strengths and it's obvious that Jiraiya couldn't beat either of them on his own, let alone at the same time. That's one very definate example of a time where you don't wanna "just let it go.

We do have 2 plausible explanations:

1- He could actualy do it as Kishi can make his caracters pull perfect counters to anything. In a fight where we only got to work with what it was showed in the manga is another thing. Kishi could make JMan win vs Sasuke, Itachi, Madara at the same time by providing whatever x crep he feels like. For all we know JMan has perfect counters to Amaterasu for instance but Kishi never showed it to us, same for MS genjutsu.
2- Kisame could not get out of that frog thing and Itachi lied. He was probably feeding Kisame false information and he really had no reason to kill JMan and capture Naruto considering what we know now. Doing that would be a HUGE blow to Konoha and a HUGE bonus to Madara... It makes perfect sense for Itachi to lie, hell even Kisame started to feel Itachi was full of bullshit when they where running away and asked him "WTF, why are we running?"

I got 1 more that is not actualy an answer but Kishi probably retconned things, that was way back in part 1. Back then the sannin where probably the top of the food chain.

All in all this is somewhat making sense if you ask me.