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read Psypho Post below.
Originally Posted by psypho
Dont read it if you havent (or just starting to) watch/read naruto.
(ESPECIALY if you're just waiting for the movie)
It will SPOIL EVERYTHING. surprises and twist in the plots.
click here to go down
[edited my post]
read quotes below for some of my original post.
Why did akatsui waited this long?
How does naruto's father fit? (theory: best fit is Yondaime)
Valley of the end, who's the 2 people there? (my theory is Akatsui leader & the 1st Hokage, since they are the only ones who know. Heck they probably created this Demons. We dont really know as of now who those are.)
how did the 2 hokages died? (my theory: killed by akatsui)
What's uchiha's clan history/purpose?
Last edited by Gold Knight; April 05, 2008 at 06:24 PM.
The special sword is only in the anime, I assume that you would want an manga timeline because your in a forum called MangaHelpers...Quote:
Also I don't know if your implying this but the hokages could not have died 60 years ago since that would be impossible if Nidaime was Sarutobi's sensei.
Kakashi's father did not die at this time because Kakashi would have to be about 40 years old in the manga if he died this early since his father would not be there to contribute to Kakashi's birth.Quote:
It cannot be 40 years ago because that would make the sannins training their students when they were in their 10s.Quote:
Although it is unclear who trained Kakashi at the age of 5 since he graduated from the academy at that age and became chuunin at the age of 6. Obito and Rin graduate at the age of 9 so their training would be about 20 years ago with Yondaime.Quote:
The lady with Kakashi isn't Rin since her name was released and Obito never becomes an ANBU due to his life being cut short. I think it is doubtful a medical ninja such as Rin would become ANBU since elites become ANBU and Kakashi become ANBU later.
It is about 15-20 years ago when Obito dies. Yondaime was already known as the Konoha Yellow Flash since the Rocknin called Yondaime the Konoha Yellow Flash.Quote:
Where does it say they made contacts to Orochimaru, Sasori and Kisame during this time? As well as Kabuto becoming a spy...also Kabuto has yet to spy on Orochimaru so that would just make Kabuto his undering.
Where did it say Kabuto probably discovered Itachi's ability.Quote:
Akatsuki didn't wait this long...They did attack two other demon containers previously. The question is why did Deidara and Itachi wait so long since Gaara and Naruto were so obvious containers. (Sasori should know that the Sand has Ichibi, Itachi would know Naruto has kyuubi).Quote:
The rest I don't know.
Some of your other dates might off too but I am too lazy to go check the manga...
just a theory that might fit, *ashame*Quote:
I really dont know how old is Itachi.. all i know he graduated at a young then after a few years he killed the entire clan.
I was thinking who naruto father would be, seems like Yondaime might fit. (wonder who's the mother)
also im bothered by this pic
that picture IMO is a pretty good theory. I mean that because of what Kakashi said about them two, it's similar to naruto/sasuke.
30-40 years ago
Sannins trained their students
Jiraiya - Yondaime, Tsunade - Shisune, orochimaru -Mitarashi Anko
Yondaime created his own technique and still mastering ransengan.
I'm not sure about her age, but I think Anko is waaaaaaaay to young to have been trained by Orochimaru during that time... I dont think she's any older than Kakashi, which would make her about 26 when the manga starts...
Yondaime trained genins
Kakashi, Obito, & Rin now an anbu (i think, the lady - the extra character when kakashi is mourning in the grave.)
No, Rin died right after Kakashi got his sharingan from Obito, presumably about 15 years ago...
20-25 years ago
Obito died, Kakashi got his sharingan.
Yondaime becomes famous - Konoha's yellow flash.
Orochimaru probably felt insicure and started his own experiments. (probably)
Akatsui made some contacts
- Orochimaru in Konoha
- Sarori in Sand
- Kisame of the Myst
Kabuto became Sasori's spy
Comment on Kakashi's sharingan above... Moreover, when the manga starts, Kabuto is Kakashi's age (26-27 or sth). Then, would he be Sasori's spy around the age of ten years (at best)? Im not sure if im missing sth here, but it seems a little unlikely...[br]Posted at: January 26, 2006, 06:53:45 AM_________________________________________________oh... no purple quote boxes... i apologize...! ^_^
As the creator of that signature I decided I might as well post the theory up here ....This is very controversal. Threads have been created solely to disprove it: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=79418 and there also are some theories that work really well with it: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=78662 - Hope you enjoy.
I think the two statues from the Valley of the End are Shodai and the Akastuki leader ... and their friendship was somehow desolved due to differing ideas about using the Bijuu ... and setting up the current atmosphere and events. (this isn't an original theory - I can't find where I first heard it) I know I'm reaching but it also makes you wonder if Shodai died not so peacefully and at a former friends hand ... his soul was suspiciously young ...
Shodai we know is dead. We don't know anything about the second statue guy ... and we don't know anything about the A.L. They look oddly similar - and who else do we know (past or present) who sounds strong enough to face a living Shodaime (with his Mouton, Bijuu Control, and darkness Jutsu) and survive?
Is it really so strange an idea to think the second guy might still be alive? Yes, that would make him older than Sandaime was when he died and about twice as old as the Sannin. But, if anyone could be this old, the Akatsuki Leader would be the guy. Remember, he was a former associate of Orochimaru, Mr. Immortality. AND we haven't gotten a good shot of him so who knows what the A.L. looks like.
What would be REALLY interesting is if we (the readers) ended up sympethizing more with the Akatsuki Leader than Shodai. What if Shodai was the one who wanted to use the dangerous Bijuu during wartime as such a huge threat (kinda like Nuclear weapons) that they scared all the nations into peacefulness by equally having such dangerous creature at their disposal. It might be the Akatsuki Leader who disagreed and just wanted the demons locked away or destroyed so that no one would ever be hurt again.
Revisioned Compilated Naruto Universe Time Line with Highlights
Last edited by Gold Knight; April 05, 2008 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Highlighting this post in the first post
Just posting that it wouldn't necessarily make the A.L. 100s of years old because according to you're own time line ... the Valley of the End battle is 60 year ago or so ... and if the combatants were in their 20s ... that would make the 2nd statue guy if he was still alive in his 80s.
That would be about right, because Sarutobi was around 63 when he died in the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound Ninja. Sarutobi was only a child when he was under tutelage of the Shodaime and Nidaime, and they were obvuously grown men by that time, during the years during or after the First Ninja War. The ages for both 1st and 2nd Hokage then would account well with Sarutobi's age and the time of his death, as well as their deaths.
By the way, what's A.L.??
Also, the Akatsuki Leader fighting Shodaime theory isn't well accountable, as it make the leader of Akatsuki near 100 years old. As such, it was already established that no Shinobi above 60 would be able to function well and use chakra properly as due to their deteriorated state of age. That being said, the leader cannot be 80 years old, as this organization was established in between times of Yodaime's procession to Hokage and Uchiha Itachi's massacring his family. This is said due to the fact that a greater majority of nearly all said participants of this organization are present day S-class Ninja Criminals on the run from the law and from other Ninja Villages. This then establishes the fact that the Akatsuki Leader vs. Shodai theory in the Valley of the End is not well thought out and is perhaps entirely baseless. Thus, you're banner, if I can be just absolutely rude for just a second, is a load of $H!TE.
But I digress, I've actually thought it through once again, let's say maybe you're right about the Aktsuki Leader. That would mean that Orochimaru was not the only one nor the first to develop the Immortality Jutsu. That would also mean that the gathering of Bijuu is perhaps part of a variant jutsu to grant the same Immortality. But that would also mean that the Akatsuki Leader would either be someone who was equal in legend to the Shodaime and Nidaime in around their time of the First Ninja War, or was actaully not just an equal, but a biological brother to Shodaime and Nidaime. I say this because of actual similarity of Nidaime to the said second statue opposite to Shodaime. Minus the fact that the guy has the hair assimilar to Saske's hair at Second Level Cursed Seal Activation. So maybe, but still, this would make this anime fact of Naruto an actual cop-off from a very very similar plot to Full Metal Alchemist. This would be a load of bull if this was the case.
And I modified my TimeLine Post to best fit the answers and the procession of events better.[br]Posted at: January 26, 2006, 02:51:17 PM_________________________________________________Oh, $h!TE, you're right, just about close to 100 years old, that would mean he would be 80 something years old, just like Shodaime and Nidaime. But still, yes, he would still be an ol' fogey and very much incapable of actual raw strength. It was already hinted that whoever was strongest in the S-Class group would be leader of Akatsuki. As such, an 80 year old man would be hard pressed to fight off that many highly skilled and extremely dangerous shinobi. Cosidering that for him to be that old man, he'd have to be another Immortal like Oro to use chakra properly, or someone whose defying already the the theory that when you're old, using chakra properly is a amjor feat.Originally Posted by lexiefaye
Very interesting thread
*Adds to Index*
Will edit my post with my thoughts later.
I find this to be one of the best timeline of the events of Naruto (at least for Pre-timeskip events):
The Great Naruto Timeline, by enrique_suave:
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QUOTE by enrique_suave:
The Great Naruto Timeline
The dates in this timeline use as reference what is probably the most significant event to occur in the Narutoverse to this point: the defeat of the Kyuubi. Thus, years marked as "BK" mean "Before Kyuubi", and those marked as "AK" are "After Kyuubi". The year 0 AK is the year in which the Kyuubi was defeated. Capice?
The databook is theoretically accurate up until the death of the Third Hokage; however, this produces a lot of conflicts of graduation age versus actual age. Look at Kiba's entry, for instance; it says he graduated at 12 (the Konoha rookies graduated 15 October) and is still 12 as of Sandaime's death (he was killed on 11 August of the next year). Kiba's birthday is 7 July. Something doesn't add up. Therefore, I just took all the databook's listed ages as being accurate to THE FIFTEENTH OF OCTOBER, 12 AK - the date the Genins graduate from the academy, and ostensibly the beginning of the series. Note that Hyuuga Hinata is an exception to this rule - this is necessary for the Hyuuga clan timeline to make sense.
Dates marked such as "2 BK ~ 0 AK" mean that the indicated events occur at some point during the listed interval. The events are, however, listed in chronological order within the time.
Corrections and modifications are welcome in the form of replies to this thread; I'll be updating the timeline as new or more correct information comes to light. For real, if you guys noticed a calendar or something somewhere that gives an accurate date on anything, let me know and I'll edit this so it's as accurate as possible. Particular help wanted on Team Shikamaru's mission - I'm seriously too tired to go sifting through that section of manga to hunt down a time reference. ^.^ Hope you find this useful.
8 February - Sandaime Sarutobi is born.
Shodaime and Nidaime found Konoha, the Village of the Hidden Leaf.
Tsunade is born.
27 October - Orochimaru is born.
11 November - Jiraiya is born.
8 January - Hyuuga Hiyashi and Hyuuga Hizashi are born.
17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.
8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.
20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.
1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.
26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.
2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.
29 February - Yakushi Kabuto born.
14 February - Ayame born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi is born.
9 January - Haku is born.
23 August - Temari is born.
Mitarashi Anko becomes a Genin at age 10, begins receiving training from Orochimaru.
15 May - Kankuro is born.
12 June - Dosu Kinuta is born.
6 July - Kin Tsuchi is born.
14 September - Zaku Abumi is born.
27 November - Rock Lee is born.
9 March - Tenten is born.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji is born.
2 BK ~ 0 AK
Orochimaru leaves Konoha village.
Uchiha Obito is killed. Hatake Kakashi acquires the Sharingan.
Yondaime is officially made the Fourth Hokage.
19 January - Gaara is born.
23 January - Aburame Shino is born.
28 March - Haruno Sakura is born.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji is born.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba is born.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke is born.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru is born.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino is born.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto is born. The Kyuubi is defeated. Yondaime is killed.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata is born.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 3. Hyuuga Neji, as a member of the Hyuuga Branch House, receives the Hyuuga Bunke Juinjutsu.
30 December - Konohamaru is born.
Sinobi Gashir of the Hidden Cloud attempts to abduct Hyuuga Hinata.
Hyuuga Hizashi is killed in place of Hyuuga Hiyashi.
The Cloud and the Leaf achieve peace.
7 March - Hyuuga Hanabi is born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 13.
June ~ July - The Uchiha clan is slaughtered by Uchiha Itachi.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 8.
7 July - Akamaru is born.
October - Rock Lee, Hyuuga Neji, and Tenten graduate from the academy.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 12.
15 October - Series start. The Konoha Rookie Nine, including Uzumaki Naruto, officially graduate from the Academy.
March~May: Team 7 is ordered to escort and assist Tazuna. Haku and Zabuza are fought and killed.
1 July - Chuunin Written Exam is held.
2 July - Chuunin Field Exam in the Forest of Death begins.
3 July - Orochimaru attacks Sasuke, and marks him with the Tenfuuin.
4 July - Fight with Dosu Kinuta and his team.
7 July - Chuunin Field Exam ends. Preliminary Chuunin Tournament is held. Zaku Abumi and Kin Tsuchi are killed.
July ~ August - Dosu Kinuta is killed. Gekkou Hayate is killed. Uzumaki Naruto learns to summon Gamabunta.
11 August - Chuunin tournament is held. Sandaime Sarutobi is killed.
13 August - Sandaime Sarutobi's funeral is held.
~27 August - Itachi and Kisame arrive in Konoha. Jiriaya and Naruto leave to find Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke put into comas from Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
28 August - Naruto begins training the Rasengan
29 August - Morning - Naruto completes part one of training; begins part two.
30 August - Naruto completes part two of training. Tanzaku Castle Destroyed by Orochimaru. Naruto begins part three of training. Naruto accepts Tsunade's challenge.
6 September - Sannin fight occurs. Naruto first uses the Rasengan.
7 September - Tsunade arrives in Konoha, officially becomes Godaime Hokage. Shikamaru promoted to Chuunin.
8 September - Naruto and Sasuke fight on the rooftop. Sasuke invited to join Sound. Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four.
9 September - Team Shikamaru forms, begins "rescue Sasuke" mission. Lee undergoes surgery. Chouji and Neji's battles occur.
10 September - Kimimaro appears and the remainder of fights occur. Sasuke and Naruto fight at the Valley of the End. Chouji and Neji undergo surgery. Sakura begins training under Tsunade.
December - Naruto leaves Konoha to train with Jiraya.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji turns 16.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba turns 15.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 15.
23 August - Temari turns 18. (Sweet.)
15 September - Hatake Kakashi turns 29.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru turns 15.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino turns 15.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 15.
27 November - Rock Lee turns 17.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 15.
30 December - Konohamaru turns 12.
1 January - Maito Gai turns 30.
19 January - Gaara turns 16.
23 January - Aburame Shino turns 16.
9 March - Tenten turns 17.
28 March - Haruno Sakura turns 16.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji turns 16.
15 May - Kankuro turns 18.
26 May - Umino Iruka turns 29.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 21.
June - Naruto returns to Konoha after two and a half years of training.
22/12/04: Removed inaccurate reference to Shodaime's death. Thanks Katana and Jin. Included reference to Anko's training with Orochimaru.
27/12/04: Included reference to the Haku timeline in Spring. Thanks Uzumaki.
01/02/05: Updated timeline to be current to chapter 245 - massive thanks to Manetheren. Note that dates after August of 13AK, with the exception of birthdays, are approximations, but are assumed to be fairly accurate.
03/23/05: Updated Hyuuga Hinata's birthday to accomodate for the explicit one-year difference in ages between her and Hyuuga Neji marked in 102:5. Thanks Fallen. I'm pretty sure we all agree that Hinata should be the youngest anyway, yeah? ^.^
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Just edited the quote box out because it was hard to read such a long timeline inside it. As long as you credit the author you should be fine.
well according to you i also had bad memory..i will be glad if you tell where it is told about there are 3 different types of sharingan...i know there 3 types of M.sahringan, at least 3 type has been revelead but although i read all manga i dont remember about if there is another version pof MS than normal sharingan......but if this is your theory than do not speak as truth just tell the manga chapter i will be pleased tooQuote:
5. Uchiha Itachi Secret documents.
I didnt notice and I was thingking that uchiha's might be part of a bigger sinister plot or sumthing.
I am distracted as why Itachi would kill his entire clan.
Keeping a secret document that tells you can easily acquire sharingan by murder fits and explains why Itachi killed their clan.
to acquire a stronger sharingan.
1. Granny also mention about OTHER jujikiries also died while extracting them. She knew about it.
2. Ichibi demon (might have) attack the sand at the same time as the kyubii.
Someone might have been controlling them (akatsui?) and attacked at the same time?
that would fit from 25 years or so.
3. Naruto Father - Yondaime would fit. I got into discussion with my friend and came up with Why in the hell they wouldnt tell that to naruto. Yondaime ask the village at the utmost priority not to tell naruto? Seems unlikely, wouldnt fit the story dont you think? Granny mention about other jujikiries, Jiraiya mention about naruto being uncontrollable in the 4th tail, Sarutobi mention (in the first manga) that the probability of the demon fox to appear again is a million to 1 chance. My other theory - His father might be the jujikiri that controlled the kyubii? this would also further explain why the village are angry to him and why no one would tell naruto.
my other theory... will post this in different post... http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index....10600#msg10600
I don't know which manga chapter exactly, sorry. But I know for sure it was back in the Uchiha Sasuke Flashback where Sasuke asks his father of what types of Sharingan are there and what does it take to get one. His father in explains in detail proficiently, yet not fully sufficient, to what they are and what it takes. I'm sorry that I'm no real help. But as you've already read all the manga, you should know best to look that up, as there is only one Flashback that alludes to what I've just said. The Flachback to when and where it climbs to the Uchiha Clan getting massacred.[br]Posted at: January 28, 2006, 08:47:04 PM_________________________________________________Originally Posted by walkieOkay, the scroll (not document) tells of where the Sharingan, the Uchiha Clan comes from, and tells of how to acquire the initial Full Sharingan and the Higher forms of the same doujutsu.Originally Posted by bebangs
Of course she knew, she's an old hag. She may have fought even in the Second Ninja War (which is very likely). Remember, she's an elder in Hidden Sand, she would obviously be in the know of what was really fought about in the First and Second Ninja War. Also, she sealed Shukaku into Gaara. You'd have to be a real retard not to think she obviously knows way too much on bijuu than what should be considered healthy.Originally Posted by bebangs
More likely not. The Shukaku was already sealed long, long, long ass time before even Kyuubi decided to bang on Hidden Leaf's friggin door.Originally Posted by bebangs
Okay, now that's shoving it too far in the theory department. Now, I've took it in good humor, the theory about the Akatsuki Leader being at the Valley of the End battle. But Akatsuki being there to send both Kyuubi and Shukaku?? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so God-Damn sorry!! But that theory is just retarded.Originally Posted by bebangs
You give the Akatsuki way too much credit and power in your own mind. Look man, all the bijuu at the time of the First Ninja War and Second Ninja War were fought due to the wanted monopoly and controll of bijuu and jinchuuriki. It was even mentioned by Ol' Hag Grandma of Hidden Sand that at thtat time, Bijuu were almost uncontrollable and even when sealed into Jinchuuriki, even they would go nutzoid. Essentially, the controll of Bijuu was a phenomenal needed asset in military power but was also an equally FOCKING UBER-GIGANTE RISK on everyone, and I mean everyone. Even to people to be sealed with these things. Actually, the only way to control Bijuu at all was the use of people to become Jinchuuriki like Naruto and Gaara. Hell, Gaara is the perfect example of how and why Jinchuuriki were made. If they can control Bijuu alone, why the hell use a human host?!?! I'm sorry, but this would be rather silly to begin with. Seeing that even having a Bijuu would knock down a few thousand points in your health meter.
But of course, Shodaime could control Bijuu, but if that necklace on Naruto was any indication, it was that Shodaime was only able to control Bijuu that were sealed into people.
Gaara was made into a Jinchuuriki to become Hidden Sand's ultimate trump card. That was how people and Bijuu were used.
With that said. Why in God's name?!@! Would you infer that Akatsuki could control Bijuu directly outside of use of human hosts to attack Hidden Ninja Villages?!?!
Okay, maybe you didn't think this one through too well. But really... I mean, come on, home-boy!!! Akatsuki being able to control Bijuu?!?! And I mean just Bijuu?? They already had a hard enough time extracting Bijuu power right out of people, like Gaara as it is. As a matter of fact, as soon as Gaara was brought in my Sasori and Diedara, they almost immediately initiated the extraction. Knowing full well it would take a considerable amount of time to rip out even one Bijuu out of a human host. Why use an Uber-sized Monolithic Mummy/Tree, Multi-Eye Thingy-Summon like that?!?!
Look, man, I know Akatsuki may be the coolest and most secretive thing on the block. We really don't know what they are really capable of, save just seeing only the first five. But don't give them that much credit. If nothing else.
And also, lastly, Akatsuki is an organization consisting entirely of S-Class Ninja Criminals, present-day S-Class Ninja Criminals... As far as we've seen already, all the ninja from that organization are from the here and now. Not 13 years ago... They weren't even thought of then. More on this later... in yet another post.
I'll rant and douse on you on your theory on the Valley of the End later in another post. I'm not done with you, yet, buddy!!!
Or maybe, to tell Naruto, may incurr an unforeseen reaction. Remember, you're dealing with a little boy with a power not yet active. But still a liable immense risk to all who are within ear shot of this boy. He has powers that no one has no clue what he can actually do. To tell him the truth may ease a lot of pain or it could make him go postal sycho, like Gaara. What do you think you'd do if left with those two choices. Knowing that the later would mean dozens, if not the entire village, will die at the hands of this boy if he went Postal Service Man crazy.Originally Posted by bebangs
The Akatsuki theory on controlling Bijuu directly was unlikely. And of course there are other Jinchuuiki's. Try researching on Japanese Myth Lore. There are 9 Legendary Beasts of Mass Destruction that are peppered in many a legend in Japan's Myths. Shukaku is the first beast, and Kyuubi is the last beast, and most powerful. Orochimaru or Hachibi is somewhere int he middle, but also a inferred Legendary Beast. Yeah, with what Kishimoto is doing in using Japanese Myth Lore like he's doing, and if he's consistent- YES, obviously, there ARE other Jinchuuriki...Originally Posted by bebangs
Ah, man... Another one? Okay man, look, I like you. I respect you. But again, Shoving manure into the Theory Department. Really? Again?? Shodaime is the only one who has the unique ability to control Jinchuuriki. Yondaime, having absolutely no blood relation to Shodaime, does not have such ability to do something like that. Control Jinchuuriki, my ass... Tsunande has better chances in doing that, and she's actually related to Shodaime. And no, the village is actually angry with Naruto because indirectly, he's harboring Kyuubi, thus in a way, they see him as the enemy and source of all their past losses and the the very source in killing Yondaime. He's essentially a scape-goat. That's why the village hates him.Originally Posted by bebangs
Dude, you run with one theory after another, but each one I've seen is absolute silly. Sorry man, you're running around aiming and shooting geese, but you're hitting malards.
That's an awesome timeline, psypho. But I have to ask - WHERE did you get this information? From the Databooks and Herobook?