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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
I believe you mean BM and not BG Blackhair... i just noticed that you continued to put BG so i thought i would let you know. lol
Now on to the note of BG myself. I actually didn't mind her introduction. I deffinitly think that Oda is trying to portray her as a real pirate. Not an OP pirate (Shanks and WB). Which i for one think is actually a good change in pace. You can't keep every character the same or else it would just get boring. And i don't think that everyone hates the character because they don't think she is goin to be interesting. I think everyone hates the character because Oda purposely made her in a way that we have to hate her. She a bad guy, were not supposed to like her. Were supposed to route for Luffy to kick her ass and show her who's boss...
As for how strong she is, well think of it this way. She's fat and single minded. That too me show's that she's slow and not that diverse in techniques. BUT that also means that she could be super strong when it comes to strength and defence. Maybe that's how she beats her enemies. Most attacks have no effect because shes got so much fat or maybe has a good defencive technique to block attacks being thrown at her. Characters are known to use techniques that help minimize there weaknesses afterall. And since she's so big and probably can't last long in a fight, perhaps she has strength like no other. She is big enough to have the power afterall...
As for everyone saying that her love for candy is stupid and isn't as good as say WB love for his family and luffy's love for his strawhat or every pirates love for treasure. Well that's just you opinion. You may not find that a good enough reason but other do, especially BM. And the way people put there passion towards certain objects are portrayed differently with every person. I remember reading someone saying that she would go to the new world JUST to take over territories for the sole purpose of candy. Which is probably correct. But it might not have started that way. It's been hinted that BM is simply a business type women. You give me what i want and i'll protect you. Which would hint to why her and some of her crew don't appreciate backing down from there agreements. It's simply a business transaction to her.
We have seen a pirate that does everything for his crew, we have seen a pirate that does everything for treasure and we have seen a pirate that does everything simply for the thrill of the adventure. Why can't there be a pirate that does everything for the business transaction and the food she loves. So in all i'm actually expecting a fairly good arc with BM.
By the way i'm also goin to add that none of this was written in hostility and is only my deduction. I have not given anything in facts, so i don't deserve any blow outs from this post like i have been seeing lately. BUT i do expect everyone to voice there own thoughts on my post, just no angry replies. there not necessary. thanks for reading
We already had villains who didn't care for their crewmates, we already had a villain with a hunger problem and we for sure had villains who are ruthless. She might be the first one combining all that, but nothing impressive. Average at best.
Lastly to be honest, the only feat describing her as a strong character is her title, which again doesn't necessarily has to be definitive description to her strength. Since she gives me the Moria vibe all over.
In chapter 650, as the minister of the left introduced her as a monster destroying country's just because of candy's, I expected a villain who acts on her whim. However I was disappointed to lean that apparently her sole purpose of piracy is sweet/food related.
Regardless, in the end we have just a different opinion in liking. Its like you preferring the colour green, while I prefer blue. There is nothing more to say I guess.
Last edited by BlackHair; January 06, 2012 at 04:27 PM.
I’m not doing any prediction. I’m doing an affirmation based on what we have seen in ten years of manga. Shanks haven’t eat a Devil Fruit by the time he rescued Luffy, and when he ‘fought’ with Whitebeard and Akainu he didn’t show any kind of ability. Garp haven’t see using any kind of ability in a war, so I can say that he didn’t eat any DF either. The same applies to Mihawk. So let me ask: do you have any prove that one of these three ate a DF?
It’s is clear that the Blackbeard Pirates survived only because Shiliew gave the antidote of Mangellan’s venom to them. I can prove my statement with this:
Fishmen need FI even after the truce with humans , that island it's special , special kinda like the 7 wonders of our world Well at least that's what i think
Now, whether he does something to destroy it himself, or whether he starts the chain of events that lead to it's destruction, we'll see. I'm leaning towards the latter.
You know i read the chapters so i know those images you didn't have to attach anything really
As i stated this is my opinion so you can't do and show me anything to change what i think it would be better to happen . Like i said i think FI destruction it would be a pity and would do no good but we just have to wait and see. I really don't see why Luffy would destroy it just like that . Yes it's possible if the king or the princes or Shirahoshi asks for that otherwise i don't see a damn reason ....an accident ...oh yes let me guess Luffy will destroy it in his sleep or something
I pledge to Oda pls don't destroy it man
actually all thos pictures show is luffy in flames. the thing about proficies is that they can by misinterpreted by the one seeing it. i'm not saying that what she said isn't true, i'm just stating that for all we know, since Oda only showed us luffy standing behind flames,it could be that he was the only one left standing after a great war or something aroun those. I remember a movie (can't remember the name) that had a similar plot. There were three or four people that could see the future. They would see people getting murdered and in turn the police would stop these people from commiting the crime before it happened and would throw them in jail. One day all the beings saw the main character in the movie kill a government official so they were goin to arrest them, but one of the beings interpreted it in a different way and it turns out that there was more reason behind the killing and that it was actually in self defence. But this fact wasn't found out till the end of the movie, and he had been shot at and chased by the police durring the whole movie for a crime that actually was never even a crime... So i guess what i'm trying to say is just because she saw luffy standing in flames doesn't mean that he was the one that destroyed the island. It could have been someone else and luffy simply got there too late and was the only one left after the aftermath.
As to ur rest of ur post, Im not sure why you think I want a friendly type of new character, I don't mind "evil" villains, actually I want some baddass villains. After all evil villains who are hated do their job properly, I don't hate BM, Im just disappointed. I mean this is my MH Best villain award nomination.
As to different types of pirates, I relate them to outlaws in our world or pirates of the past. Thus I understand pirates who sail for freedom (WB, Luffy , Roger, Shanks?), I also get pirates for power and domination (Crocodile, Hodi) and lastly pirates who do business (Flamingo). However in all seriousness, I don't get pirates who are motived by sweets. If that is supposed to be intimidating or serious resolve, I just can't help myself but be disappointed. This is beyond silly, Im sry.
PS: I repeat for further references, candy isn't my only problem with her.
Last edited by BlackHair; January 06, 2012 at 05:32 PM.
maybe imo a ''monster that is ready to destroy a country for the sake of sweets'' is an image of someone ruthless,obviously i don't think BM's dream is to have all the candy in the world,maybe her goal are simply her territories or something else about domination,she just has an obsession and she's ready to kill for it like the tenribuyto kill people for nothing...of course all about the candy stuff and eating is something humorous but if it makes her to take people's lives over it then i think her personality is one of the most evil characters.maybe!
do you remember this one?
It makes me think that if Shirley's prediction still has to happen and what she saw was really Luffy Destroying the Island not protecting it, and since we know that Luffy would never do such a thing without reason, then IMO what he did in the cartography room could happen again, and I guess it somehow makes sense.
well i don't think that Oda is trying to give the impression of simple candy is a good enough reason to kill... What i think he might be doin is trying to show not everyone pirate is sane... I mean some pirate are just plain psychotic, and maybe that's what he trying to show in BM character. A socialpath type of characterm which in my opinion is a good evil character. I'm not saying that your way of judging a character is incorrect. i mean first impression are importent, but maybe Oda was simply trying to keep her in more of a mystery theme for now and in turn made her introduction less dramatic. who know's, like someone else said a little while ago, Has Oda ever disappointed when it comes to the higher end villains. lol
As for the rest of my post blackhair, that wasn't directed to you directly. it was directed to the general public... only the first part about the BM correction was meant just for you... lol sorry i should have specified...
Last edited by Black Lagoon; January 06, 2012 at 04:54 PM. Reason: Forgot Something :p