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Thread: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    I actually think that, as a ninja, Gai is almost flawless, despite not having any advantage over other ninjas whatsoever.
    He has the strongest taijutsu sans Naruto in SM, Tsunade and A, he can summon, he can escape easily high-ranked Genjutsu, can predict the movement of others by their body language, and can open the gates.

    Not only that, he is pretty analytical when he needs to be despite his appereance and he is pretty knowledgable.

    I fail to see an evident flaw in Gai that isn't the absence of a Gekkei Kenkai his only weakness, the range, is covered by his 2 strongest jutsus:
    the Morning Peacock and the Afternoon Tiger.
    And he has youth on his side, despite what his true self said
    He can escape genjutsu? Whaaa?

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    He can escape genjutsu? Whaaa?
    He did so against Kabuto's A-rank genjutsu in the stadium, back in the days

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    was it stated in the databook that the technique kabuto used was A-rank? I doubt that since, if we include uchiha's techniques,the ranking shouldn't stop at S,but go to M,I,U ecc. also,sakura and a tired-shikamaru were able to nullify it,when they were just genin. but to be honest,they were really smart,so it might have been an A-rank illusion.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    was it stated in the databook that the technique kabuto used was A-rank? I doubt that since, if we include uchiha's techniques,the ranking shouldn't stop at S,but go to M,I,U ecc. also,sakura and a tired-shikamaru were able to nullify it,when they were just genin. but to be honest,they were really smart,so it might have been an A-rank illusion.
    Yes, I didn't find the page here, so here's the link of the wiki with the reference.

    Also for the grading of the jutsu, in japan the system goes from F
    to A, with S being the maximum possible

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Yes, I didn't find the page here, so here's the link of the wiki with the reference.

    Also for the grading of the jutsu, in japan the system goes from F
    to A, with S being the maximum possible
    yeah,the same ranking used in USA. anyway,that technique was defeated by a genious qith a IQ above 200,a very smart girl aware of illusions,and by jonins.I wouldn't conisder that an A technique nonetheless,despite it's considered so.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    yeah,the same ranking used in USA. anyway,that technique was defeated by a genious qith a IQ above 200,a very smart girl aware of illusions,and by jonins.I wouldn't conisder that an A technique nonetheless,despite it's considered so.
    By ranking, B to A rank are considered Jounin level skills, so it makes perfect sense, since Shika is a genius, and Sakura, despite being useless, is very smart and a genjutsu-type, so them escaping doesn't seem degrading for the jutsu at all.
    Keep in mind that it was a genjutsu with an area so wide that kept an entire stadium asleep.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    By ranking, B to A rank are considered Jounin level skills, so it makes perfect sense, since Shika is a genius, and Sakura, despite being useless, is very smart and a genjutsu-type, so them escaping doesn't seem degrading for the jutsu at all.
    Keep in mind that it was a genjutsu with an area so wide that kept an entire stadium asleep.
    Muu:"fodders numbers don't matter ..." ,but I agree with the part that the jutsu strength was scattered throughout the stadium.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    Muu:"fodders numbers don't matter ..." ,but I agree with the part that the jutsu strength was scattered throughout the stadium.
    Don't compare Muu with the likes of the normal shinobi, he can do things that no one can

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    As for the Senju, they are the "Clan of 1000 techniques" after all so whereas the Sharigan users have legit power, the Senju have diversity to deal with the same old things.

    And remember, we only know of three users who can use Sussano, and The Senju only faced one of them. Not to mention, weren't Madara and Izuna the first MS users? After Konoha formed, the Senju and Uchiha never fought again.
    Kakashi has that moniker as well but we have not seen even a fraction of his techniques. The Uchiha are practically drowning in folklore and mythology, while the Senju are basically looking at one guy to be the equalizer. It just seems a little unbalanced as far as importance goes. It's easy to hide behind the "clan of 1000 jutsu" title, but if we only see things from practically one person, then it makes it seem as though it was only thrown in there to match things up. Have them make sense. Despite the fact that not all Uchiha could do everything that has been shown, they all possess that potential. Some might realize it, some might not. However, it's still there

    Whereas with the Senju, only one guy could use Mokuton. As of right now, only one guy could passively, rapidly, heal wounds. And also as of right now, only one guy could shape and mold a battlefield to his whim with one technique.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Well, it's not the Mokuton that I usually think of when thinking of Senju just because Hashirama has it. I think of what we know all Senju have: Rikudou Sennin's strong body and powerful chakra. That means that every Senju had godly chakra reserves (likely comperable to Naruto's chakra reserve and potentially larger than that) as well as naturally hardy bodies. Tobirama was praised for being able to make giant quantaties of water without any water source nearby, meaning he had to use his own chakra to make such a huge water source. Meaning he had to have godly amounts of chakra to do so. Whereas the Uchiha had special techniques that require tons of chakra to use, the Senju not only had tons of techniques to deal with them, but the stamina to outlast the MS abilities cast upon them.

    As for the regenerative abilities I don't think that's a Mokuton limitation, as Senju are said to have strong bodies like Rikudou Sennin. This leads me to believe that they had physical strenght, speed, longevity, and stamina above the natural shinobi. Healing powers could come from that.

    Infact I'm still positive that's how the fight between Madara and Hashirama went down. Hashirama outlasted Madara, who was using MS jutsu after MS jutsu (constant Susanoo, occasional enton attacks, potentially Tsukuyomi). Hashirama however could defend from any angle with Mokuton and deal with the Kyuubi, which likely took lots of chakra for Madara to control him. And the hits that did hit him he just regenerated from without handseals, allowing him to continue fighting as his body recovered.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Sometimes I feel that the Senju got the short end of the stick when it came to the powers they received. There are plenty of characters who aren't Senju who have extremely resilient bodies and monstrous chakra, A and Kisame are the first that come to mind.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Not to mention Kinkaku and Ginkaku, though considering they were implied to be related to the Rikudou Sennin, that would suggest that they were somehow in the Senju/Uzumaki lines.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Gotta remind everybody that these super awesome Uchiha are all geniuses several generations in between eachother. It's not like there were 1000 Madara's or Itachi's or Shisui's. Some of them never got out of 3 tomoe. Hell, some of them never got TO 3 tomoe. As far as we know the Senju are born with there strength's already present from the get go.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Like the Uchiha, the Senju also had to train. Like Sharingan, you can't get better in ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu if you don't train yourself. Both Uchiha and Senju have trained to master their field.

    Uchiha just gets accused of free powerups and asspulls because majority hate them, which is why Naruto gets away with getting actual free powerups and actual asspulls. People like him. Apparently, no one realizes the training Itachi and Sasuke have gone through, and that they actually worked for their power or paid the price. More so than Naruto has, but Naruto has trained as well.

    Sasuke just had better opponents out to kill him than Naruto did, and he's been in more danger training than Naruto has been, hence why he's stronger. I bet if Sasuke was liked, no one would complain about his power and jutsu he pulls out.

    For the record, I like Naruto better than Sasuke. I actually like or liked Naruto, didn't like Sasuke after Part I and disliked him after his fight with Itachi.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Gotta remind everybody that these super awesome Uchiha are all geniuses several generations in between eachother. It's not like there were 1000 Madara's or Itachi's or Shisui's. Some of them never got out of 3 tomoe. Hell, some of them never got TO 3 tomoe. As far as we know the Senju are born with there strength's already present from the get go.
    LOL... What strength? In the entire history of ninjutsu the only Senju we even know of are Hashirama, Tobirama, and Tsunade.....and they had one KG between them. The sharingan users we've seen were Inabi, Tekka, Yashiro, Obito, Itachi, Sasuke, Shisui, Madara, and Izuna. If it had not been for deaths, Inabi, Tekka, Obito, Itachi, Sasuke and Shisui would have all been around at the same time with Sasuke , Itachi, and Obito having the potential for ms. And that's all the sharingan users in the village only if Kishi showed us every single one during that flashback. (I'm not counting Tobi 'cause of course who knows or cares what he is any more?.....getting close to 300 chapters with him as a mystery )

    The only kg that's less rare than the sharingan is the byakugan. And the chakra thing is a mute issue. Seems to me the Uchiha have plenty of chakra as well as strong chakra.

    I can write a page on what I know about the sharingan. We still have to guess about Senju powers based on "power of the body" and "1000 Jutsu". I wonder which of those 1000 jutsu kept the senju from getting genjutsu'd. Honestly, that clan is just a card board cutout to occupy the background in the story of the Uchiha. I'm sure Kishi hasn't given a second thought to what that "power of the body" crap even translates into.
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