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Aw man hate two add my two cents here but.
The shroud actually appeared in ch 230 the hand sasuke block had no shroud with or on it. Yes sasuke block naruto's wild swing but the motion continued. I know that wasn't the focus of yours and uchiha_blood discussion just wanted to point it out.
Sasuke has been fighting high level opponents though. Naruto wouldn't have been able to take on Deidara without being able to see where the bombs were, even the mini bombs. Without very fast reflex and speed, he wouldn't have stood a chance against Raikage OR Killerbee (Kyuubi's chakra protected him from Raikage). Likewise, Sasuke would stand no chance against Pain without Kyuubi chakra or Sage Mode... well, the only opponent that he wouldn't be able to deal with on his own, anyway.
Madara I think relied on his Sharingan a lot. According to his version, he was the one who got blind while his brother could still see. Probably because of Hashirama though, if Madara's fought Hashirama a lot.
As for Kabuto, why shouldn't Sasuke act regularly? As far as his history would tell him, Kabuto was no real threat. Sasuke presumably had a good idea of Kabuto's abilities along with obviously any abilities he would have gained from Orochimaru. Even given the current situation, it's not so much that Kabuto is too strong as it is that he has to hold back against him.
At this point in time we have no idea whether the Byakugan can see chakra color like the Sharingan can. Along with that, plus the analytical and mind reading/genjutsu ability, it seems better suited for it then the Byakugan.
Itachi commented as "impressive" Sasuke unlocking Susano'o, that is a praise.
Instead if Itachi would've said "it is expected for you to unlock Susano'o being my brother" this is aknowledgement, but no praise.
And I already addressed Madara
You are stereotyping, and of course I didn't say that Uchihas are arrogant as a compliment.Quote:
Being arrogant is jumping to an enemy that is superior to you, does that makes you a pompous asshole?
I was addressing this part of the fightk, when Sasuke definitely panicked, understandably of course:Quote:
I beg to differ:Quote:
Sasuke wanted to avoid a stalemate against Naruto, and it was a two-tomoe sharingan Sasuke.
So to rectify your list:
2 tomoe Sasuke = Base Naruto
CS1 Sasuke > Base Naruto
2 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke < Shroud Naruto
3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke > Shroud Naruto
3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke < 1 Tail Naruto
CS2 Sasuke = 1 Tail Naruto
Seems pretty even to me
See? Both comments on that
So saying that Sasuke was superior to Naruto is BS, imho.
They upped the other constantly.
As for Sasuke owning Deidara and Naruto owning Pein, it is a matter of match-ups, Deidara was ideal for Sasuke, while Pein was ideal for Naruto.
If Kishi didn't pull out of his ass Lightning > Earth ( I mean, did he play Pokemon? It is like a Pikachu versus that big... Rock thing, Onyx if I recall, damn it was like 10 years ago ) Sasuke would've lost, since he couldn't be able to block the bombs.
Ironically Madara showed to be beastly even without the Sharingan power, hell his Katons required like 20 fodders to be countered, and seemed to have beastly speed and taijutsu.
I agree with A though, he too was pretty arrogant, yet attacking the Raikage and his bodyguards like he did showed plenty of arrogance from Sasuke part too.
Still I don't mean it in an overly bad way, I like that Sasuke isn't a perfect Mary Sue kind of character like Kishi portrayed Minato and Edo Itachi.
Sasuke is arrogant like Naruto is dumb, both have their moments where they fail, and moments where they display cleverness like no others
He did say that he beat Oro only because he was weakened back then, and he would've know that Kabuto was at least a Jounin level opponent, so him having Oro's powers would set almost anyone on edge imho.Quote:
Yes, but it also requires skills, even if the Uchiha is a Suiton user he wouldn't be able to replicate Niidaime without having his mastery over water since he wouldn't be able to mold it they way he does, since it is unnatural.Quote:
Infact you see Kakashi copying all the 44 handseals Zabuza used, despite being better at ninjutsu and having a water affinity.
Yes, Ao recognized Shisui's chakra color right away.
If it wasn't the color, it was the flow.
So the Byakugan being able to replicate Ninjutsu should be believable and justifiable, manga-wise.
Imho the copying factor doesn't depend only on that, maybe the Sharingan has an analyzing factor in the eye matrix that can process the info and memorize them automatically.
I would've like way better if Kishi would've took the copying factor on a whole different level instead of granting hax ability after hax ability.
How awesome would've been Sasuke with a Raiton armour, to say?
as much awesome as naruto with fuuton armor, pretty much awesomeQuote:
I think sasuke will develope/already developed something like amatearsu armor.
this but more how should I say it.. effecient, like raiton armor
yes indeed, it would be cool if with Kagetsuchi he would be able to encoat not only the riblet version but also the full version with Amaterasu.
It would be, like, waaaaay too much draining, but an entire Susano'o encased with Amaterasu would be the next level of awesome
Also, I don't think MangaReader works for people in America now.
I agree, which is why I think it's stupid to use A > B, B > C, so A > C or using opponents to show how powerful each is.Quote:
Probably did, but in Pokemon it's earth > lightning. Well, ground type and rock type > lightning. It was kinda pulled out of his ass for Sasuke and Naruto's sake. Though, it makes sense if lightning is stronger since it has ability to pierce.
Yet people try to downplay him by saying he was up against fodders.Quote:
It's funny how Sasuke and Madara will get downplayed, but Minato and Jiraiya will be made to look better. Sasuke fights 1,000 shinobi for training and instead of killing them he knocks them out? Oh, not impressive like Minato taking out 50 chuunin is! Those fodders Sasuke fought must be farmers!!11 Madara by himself took out a lot of fodders and even made two or three kage-level enemies have to work together to even try to damage him, that's far more impressive than anything shown in the manga, except for Minato's reflexes when Tobi snuck up and Naruto saving Sakura in an epic way.
As for the scans, here.
All the ones I posted for ninjabot comes from 1 or 2 chaps, so they can easily be relinked lol
Earth isn't the best conductor to lightning, and Kishi screwed up since he made Water users such as Suigetsu weak to Lightning.Quote:
The way the manga is now, Lightning is the only element that has 2 advantages ( Water and Earth ).
He did so for 2 reasons:
-Save Sasuke's and Kakashi's ass ( respectively against Dei and Kakuzu )
-Enable Naruto to have an advantage over Sasuke in element, if we follow the logic element windmill it would be something like this:
So Naruto's Wind affinity would be useless
Lol true, I doubt that anyone can diss Madara though, he is the closest one to Rikudou Sennin imho, even more than actual Naruto.Quote:
I still believe though that this fodder would've killed Itachi now we know why Itachi fled from Konoha
I'm a mod, you link me to stuff, peon.
I kid by the way.
Doesnt' look like the aim was for conduction though as we saw lightning pierce earth. Kakashi managed to pierce Kakuzu using earth defense on his skin (he wouldn't need elemental weakness for that in my opinion like Sasuke did), and Sasuke defused the bombs by piercing it. Suigetsu is weak to lightning because he's made of water. We don't really know if water itself is weak to lightning.Quote:
No way, Naruto took out kage level ninjas in Sage Mode and Kyuubi Mode, Madara only took out 20-chuunin level in base mode! Obviously Naruto > Madara by eons and centuries and lightyears! KishishisihsishishishiQuote:
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I forgot about Ao seeing Shisui's chakra. But the Byakugan still lacks the analytical and prediction ability the Sharingan uses to copy. A Byakugan user would only be capable of learning a technique as fast as normal, like a regular person seeing handseals being made.
Possessing the Raiton Armor would be redundant in the face of Susanoo, which not only provides defense but a separate offense from the user too.
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If a being made of water is weak to lightning, I assume that it is weak to it.Quote:
Still if Earth would have the advantage over Lightning, I doubt that Kakashi would've pierced Kakuzu, since his skin was ultra hard.
Not that does it matter anymore, the nature of chakra is being slowly forgotten
Well, that clone of Naruto was pratically a war hero since it offed the Third Raikage and was about to off Madara.
Funny how dat clone had more accomplishments than 99% of the alliance soldiers lol
Regardless one would have to be cautios.
In Sasuke's defence, he sobered up after Kabuto used that white thingy
True, shame handseals are now almost unimportant.Quote:
Hell Sasuke can use Chidori without it, same for Kakashi.
Well it would see how the chakra is molded, same way as the Sharingan.Quote:
Maybe its eyes wouldn't autocopy it, but it would be an advantage for sure.
Regarding the armour, say someone can pierce it, like the Third Raikage's hellfinger.
With a Raiton Armour on top of his impressive speed he would be able to deal with it, and not only that, it would further enhance his Sharingan ability imho by overcharging his synapses.
I would prefer a Raiton Armour clad Sasuke battling a Sage Mode Naruto instead of an EMS/Susanoo spammage from Sasuke and Kyuubi chakra/Rasengan spammage from Naruto
Then the fact he dileberately chose this exact outcome nullifies the fact that he'd need saving because he knew before hand he would need saving. Hell, he planned on it. Once again, not tantamount to the dumbing down he's experiencing in this fight.Originally Posted by bigman
That was never the plan. The plan was to find Danzou, finish buisiness, and get out. He had no idea his allies would ruin his plan and actually WANT him to fight through the worlds strongest ninja in a gauntlet. I guess you could say that it was stupid to trust Tobi, but still, Sasuke dying right there would have been detrimental to Tobi's plans, so he likely expected he wouldn't put him into too much of an unwinnable situation for fear of losing a pawn. Thus, he wasn't unneccessarily dumbed down like he was in the recent chapter, once again, making it a different scenario.Originally Posted by bigman