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    Re: Naruto 582 Discussion / 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    That was just a simple mistranslation. I would say that the fact that Sasuke didn't just jump out and attack when he first saw Danzo, but left him be while him and his team began to sneak out shows that he wasn't foolish enough to intent to fight Danzo there. And Karin mentions their plan here.
    eh... well if its a mistranslation nothing I can do about that. But the link you provided does kind of imply Sasuke blew Karin off when she was suggesting a plan, not stating what their plan was. Also they had plenty of time to sneak out before Zetsu screwed things up, the Kages were seated and talking for a good minute and covered several topics before he interrupted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    I don't see the issue with Team Taka heading to Konoha, since we don't know what his plan would have been. If Sasuke used Kirin beforehand, that definitely would have given them the means to do plenty of damage before even entering the village. In addition, Suigetsu and Juugo basically being immune to physical damage would given them a great edge against most ninjas, especially after they had already been weaken by the lightning blast.
    Kirin is powerful but lets not get ahead of ourselves, it essentially destroyed a big building and turned it to rubble, but that's still just one building. We're talking about a village here, none of Taka had a technique like Peins that could nuke a village or giant rampaging summons or the Rinnengan.

    Suigetsu might be immune to physical attack but hes weak against lightning and probably very powerful fire attacks. We've yet to see him use any actual water ninjutsu other than him turning into water and the possibility he has that water gun tech. But nothign to imply he can create water out of nothing like Kakashi, Kisame, Tobimara or other water types. Konoha seems to have a very good variety of chakra nature type users vs. other villages which have mostly similar types like the Cloud and their lightning or the Stone and their earth nature, etc... So I doubt he lasts long, especially when most ninja would probably use ninjutsu rather than get close to him when he had that huge sword.

    Juugo isn't really immune to anything, hes just an above average brawler that goes berserk and once you inflict enough damage on him or knock him out he goes back to normal anyway. Look how easy it was for Suigetsu to do it a few chapters ago. And Karin is... Karin. No way they could begin to do what Pein did, would of been suicide.

    Also I think its fairly easy to say if they couldn't take on Bee, they wouldn't be able to take on Konoha.
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    Re: Naruto 582 Discussion / 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    eh... well if its a mistranslation nothing I can do about that. But the link you provided does kind of imply Sasuke blew Karin off when she was suggesting a plan, not stating what their plan was. Also they had plenty of time to sneak out before Zetsu screwed things up, the Kages were seated and talking for a good minute and covered several topics before he interrupted.
    Well Sasuke blowing Karin off is just Sasuke being himself. But given how Suigetsu was complaining about it being tiresome and Karin correcting him, along with the fact that Sasuke had previously had Suigetsu check it out in his liquid form and then had Juugo scout the area using birds, that suggest that they had already decided the plan beforehand and were already following through with it. In addition to the summit appearing to be inside some sort of fortress, given the size of the rooms, don't forget that they were attempting to keep clear of the guards walking around in the beginning. Sneaking in and out would have taken more time then overtly coming and going.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    Kirin is powerful but lets not get ahead of ourselves, it essentially destroyed a big building and turned it to rubble, but that's still just one building. We're talking about a village here, none of Taka had a technique like Peins that could nuke a village or giant rampaging summons or the Rinnengan.
    Kirin destroyed not just a huge building, pretty huge compared to a person, but an even bigger mountain too. It might not take out the whole village, but it should take out quite a big chunk. It would put quite a dent in Konoha's forces, depending on where Sasuke aimed, like say the Hokage's Tower.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    Suigetsu might be immune to physical attack but hes weak against lightning and probably very powerful fire attacks. We've yet to see him use any actual water ninjutsu other than him turning into water and the possibility he has that water gun tech. But nothign to imply he can create water out of nothing like Kakashi, Kisame, Tobimara or other water types. Konoha seems to have a very good variety of chakra nature type users vs. other villages which have mostly similar types like the Cloud and their lightning or the Stone and their earth nature, etc... So I doubt he lasts long, especially when most ninja would probably use ninjutsu rather than get close to him when he had that huge sword.
    Logically, only a portion of Konoha's forces would have a Lightning nature and that's not taking into account that some natures appear to be rarer then others. Anyway, it would take time for them to figure out that it's Suigetsu's weakness, giving him the chance to take most of the fodder out. Even when they do figure it out, it's not as if they would be capable of killing him. Suigetsu would just be out of teh action until one of his teammates free him. Suigetsu wouldn't have to create water. There's plenty of water in and around Konoha from what we have seen, so he could easily take his giant water form to enhance his power.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    Juugo isn't really immune to anything, hes just an above average brawler that goes berserk and once you inflict enough damage on him or knock him out he goes back to normal anyway. Look how easy it was for Suigetsu to do it a few chapters ago. And Karin is... Karin. No way they could begin to do what Pein did, would of been suicide.
    Juugo had Ee pierce right through his arm and chest, and he was still capable of attacking. It took an additional broken neck to take him out of play. Suigetsu drowned him to stop him. That's not something anyone would be capable of doing. A couple of those chakra blast would keep them at a distances. And Karin would be a useful support, keeping a track of where the most powerful chakra's are to making sure they aren't overrun with ninjas and healing Sasuke when required. As long as they don't act so overtly like Pain did, they wouldn't have to do what he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    Also I think its fairly easy to say if they couldn't take on Bee, they wouldn't be able to take on Konoha.
    Kirabi's on a whole different level then the majority of Konoha ninjas, not to mention they underestimated him in the beginning.

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    Re: Naruto 582 Discussion / 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Logically, only a portion of Konoha's forces would have a Lightning nature and that's not taking into account that some natures appear to be rarer then others. Anyway, it would take time for them to figure out that it's Suigetsu's weakness, giving him the chance to take most of the fodder out. Even when they do figure it out, it's not as if they would be capable of killing him. Suigetsu would just be out of teh action until one of his teammates free him. Suigetsu wouldn't have to create water. There's plenty of water in and around Konoha from what we have seen, so he could easily take his giant water form to enhance his power.

    Juugo had Ee pierce right through his arm and chest, and he was still capable of attacking. It took an additional broken neck to take him out of play. Suigetsu drowned him to stop him. That's not something anyone would be capable of doing. A couple of those chakra blast would keep them at a distances. And Karin would be a useful support, keeping a track of where the most powerful chakra's are to making sure they aren't overrun with ninjas and healing Sasuke when required. As long as they don't act so overtly like Pain did, they wouldn't have to do what he did.

    Kirabi's on a whole different level then the majority of Konoha ninjas, not to mention they underestimated him in the beginning.
    I think you are grossly overestimating Juugo and Suigetsu. Taka has yet to successfully take on a group of people other than a bunch of mental patients with the cursed seal. If Juugo and Suigetsu could successfully help take on a village then they would of killed the Samurai that blocked them off and tried to escape to meet up with Sasuke. They are ninja after all, I'm sure after killing the Samurai that see them Juugo and Suigetsu can "disappear".

    And if we compare, Taka were essentially taken down by one man, Killer Bee and then essentially 2 men, Ee and Darui (Shi didn't do anything). That's only 3 men out of the Cloud even though they are super strong (Ee and Bee, Darui can be argued). And the Cloud has stated they haven't been able to take on Konoha and Konoha has been implied to be the strongest village.

    I'm not sure how one can think Taka could take on Konoha, let alone any village.
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    Re: Naruto 582 Discussion / 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    I think you are grossly overestimating Juugo and Suigetsu. Taka has yet to successfully take on a group of people other than a bunch of mental patients with the cursed seal. If Juugo and Suigetsu could successfully help take on a village then they would of killed the Samurai that blocked them off and tried to escape to meet up with Sasuke. They are ninja after all, I'm sure after killing the Samurai that see them Juugo and Suigetsu can "disappear".

    And if we compare, Taka were essentially taken down by one man, Killer Bee and then essentially 2 men, Ee and Darui (Shi didn't do anything). That's only 3 men out of the Cloud even though they are super strong (Ee and Bee, Darui can be argued). And the Cloud has stated they haven't been able to take on Konoha and Konoha has been implied to be the strongest village.

    I'm not sure how one can think Taka could take on Konoha, let alone any village.
    Well, the only reason Taka was stopped in the Kage meeting was because they fought Kage level ninjas [ Raikage, and Darui]. When they fought against Kirabi, they forced him to use a clone to escape, that's something.

    As for attacking Konoha, as Kisame said: it won't happen. The top brass are well protected. Taka was just naive in thinking that they can storm in and fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Hugenstein View Post
    Well, the only reason Taka was stopped in the Kage meeting was because they fought Kage level ninjas [ Raikage, and Darui]. When they fought against Kirabi, they forced him to use a clone to escape, that's something.

    As for attacking Konoha, as Kisame said: it won't happen. The top brass are well protected. Taka was just naive in thinking that they can storm in and fight.
    I'm pretty confident the Samurai alone could of taken out Suigetsu, Juugo & Karin. Sasuke although did need High Jonin/Kage level opponents. But yeah, no way in my eyes Taka could take on any hidden village the way they were, let alone the strongest one Konoha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    I think you are grossly overestimating Juugo and Suigetsu. Taka has yet to successfully take on a group of people other than a bunch of mental patients with the cursed seal. If Juugo and Suigetsu could successfully help take on a village then they would of killed the Samurai that blocked them off and tried to escape to meet up with Sasuke. They are ninja after all, I'm sure after killing the Samurai that see them Juugo and Suigetsu can "disappear".

    And if we compare, Taka were essentially taken down by one man, Killer Bee and then essentially 2 men, Ee and Darui (Shi didn't do anything). That's only 3 men out of the Cloud even though they are super strong (Ee and Bee, Darui can be argued). And the Cloud has stated they haven't been able to take on Konoha and Konoha has been implied to be the strongest village.

    I'm not sure how one can think Taka could take on Konoha, let alone any village.
    I wouldn't say grossly. They may not have many wins to their name, but their abilities make it clear they would be a challenge to handle. Even their loses have been up against some of the bets ninjas around. We don't know what happen with the samurai, though it does seem that they were just bidding their time since Suigetsu didn't seem to have trouble escaping.

    Besides, Konoha has never been portrayed as being very strong from what we've seen. True a handful of ninjas basically trips the balance in their favor, but as a whole, Konoha's not that impressive. Orochimaru with only a force of 200, 100 of his own Sound ninjas and 100 Suna ninjas, were able to weaken the village enough that they lacked manpower for quite some time even though they knew the attack was coming and were prepared. Sasuke by himself was able to take out a couple hundred sound ninjas without fighting to kill. The one battle we saw during Third War, the majority of Konoha's forces were easily dealt with by Iwa until Minato appeared and saved the day. And when Pain attacked, even through they pretty much outnumbered them individually, none of Konoha's forces aside from Kakashi can close to taking out a single Path. Well, maybe Konohamaru depending how on what you consider taking out to be. But the point is that even though the other Paths were quite weaker then the likes of Deva Path and Asura Path, and even though Konoha had information about them, they still weren't able to overpower a single one. So it wasn't so much as all Konoha ninjas posed the threat, but just a few with the rest being mere fodder.

    Also, we can't forget that during the time that Sasuke would have staged his attack, Konoha had lost many of it's key ninjas. Minato, Sarutobi, Itachi, and Jiraiya were all dead. So was the Uchiha clan, which probably had made up a good part of Konoha's military power given the threat themselves posed had they gone against the village. Orochimaru, Gai, and Naruto were gone. The only ones they had left to pose a threat were Kakashi, Danzo, Tsunade, the Ino-Shika-Cho elders, and maybe the Hyuuga clan. With Kirin setting the stage beforehand, I don't see why Team Taka would have much trouble with a weaken village. Same with Kumo for that matter. Kirabi alone showed several abilities that could pretty much wipe out an entire village. Not even gonna mention Iwa and it's hax abilities.

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    Re: Naruto 582 Discussion / 583 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    I'm pretty confident the Samurai alone could of taken out Suigetsu, Juugo & Karin. Sasuke although did need High Jonin/Kage level opponents. But yeah, no way in my eyes Taka could take on any hidden village the way they were, let alone the strongest one Konoha.
    Pray tell, based on what exactly?

    The only thing the samurai showed was chakra manipulation using swords. They haven't shown any jutsu usage of any kind.
    Suigetsu, and Juugo can easily handle the Samurai.
    Juugo can easily use high powered attacked using his CS forms. Suigetsu can easily take down samurais using water [he even stopped crazy-juugo using water]
    Karin is a medical ninja, her role isn't combat.

    You're doing the wrong comparisons, and it is confusing. You're trying to prove an already given fact.
    We're already shown that even a clan has difficulty fighting a village [revise the history of Kimimaro's clan].
    And Tobi and Kisame already explained that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Hugenstein View Post
    Pray tell, based on what exactly?

    The only thing the samurai showed was chakra manipulation using swords. They haven't shown any jutsu usage of any kind.
    Suigetsu, and Juugo can easily handle the Samurai.
    Juugo can easily use high powered attacked using his CS forms. Suigetsu can easily take down samurais using water [he even stopped crazy-juugo using water]
    Karin is a medical ninja, her role isn't combat.
    In regards to the first bolded part, they surrendered for a reason. They even were wearing samurai armor and had samurai swords at their disposal and still surrendered. It wasn't because they had a secret plan. And Suigetsu & Juugo never fought one Samurai so its hard to say they'd own them. Sasuke is the only one to fight them and well, hes the invincible Sasuke.... I don't see why a Samurai couldn't do Suigetsu the way Dauri did since that's kind of the only thing the Samurai can do with chakra.

    I don't know why everyone thinks Juugo is so incredible, he hasn't been shown to take down a single foe as of yet since he was introduced. Hes basically like the Sound 4 but with more diversity in what he can morph his body into with creating blades on his arms and firing chakra blasts... but with far less strategy since he goes insane. It looks cool, but as of yet it hasn't yielded a single result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Hugenstein View Post
    You're doing the wrong comparisons, and it is confusing. You're trying to prove an already given fact.
    We're already shown that even a clan has difficulty fighting a village [revise the history of Kimimaro's clan].
    And Tobi and Kisame already explained that too.
    I know, but RK seems to think Taka could do it and that the Crush Konoha plan wasn't ridiculously retarded, which was my point. I was trying to point out that team Taka are not comprised of a bunch of super soldiers or Peins capable of what they said they were going to do. That's where my comparisons come into play, sorry if they were confusing.
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    Talking about Samuraï, after seeing this picture :


    And knowing Kishi is a Star Wars fan, it would have been so cool if the Samuraï leader was wearing an armor like that (this is a Samuraï Vador type, Vador's armor is inspired by Samurai). Well, I suspect that the current samuraï fodders design are inspired by Vador.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gats View Post
    Talking about Samuraï, after seeing this picture :

    And knowing Kishi is a Star Wars fan, it would have been so cool if the Samuraï leader was wearing an armor like that (this is a Samuraï Vador type, Vador's armor is inspired by Samurai). Well, I suspect that the current samuraï fodders design are inspired by Vador.
    That is a pretty bad ass picture. I kind-of wish Kishi did add just a tiny bit more detail to the Samurai's mask so it didn't look so kiddy.

    Kish did a poor job of showing how strong the Samurai are because right before the Kage Summit Tsuchikage does say ninja don't dare start a conflict with them because they have a strong military. I doubt any of the 5 ninja villages would be considered having a weak military and they fight each other all the time, so I think that says something. But since Sasuke has to appear invincible, I guess they might as well have been 2 year olds with plastic knives.
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    Yeah, the samurai had a horrible showing. The worst part was Gaara telling them to stand aside. Their whole purpose was suppose to be guards strong enough to protect and keep the Kages in check, so them not being able to handle things made them pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigman View Post
    That is a pretty bad ass picture. I kind-of wish Kishi did add just a tiny bit more detail to the Samurai's mask so it didn't look so kiddy.

    Kish did a poor job of showing how strong the Samurai are because right before the Kage Summit Tsuchikage does say ninja don't dare start a conflict with them because they have a strong military. I doubt any of the 5 ninja villages would be considered having a weak military and they fight each other all the time, so I think that says something. But since Sasuke has to appear invincible, I guess they might as well have been 2 year olds with plastic knives.

    The worst part about it is that Kishimoto tried to make us give a crap about mifune after the below average performance of his foot soldiers. Sacrificing Hanzo to try and accomplish this was a giant bag of horse shit. Seriously.
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    I forgot to say this in the previous chapter's thread,and now it's closed. did anyone find odd that itachi's view of life was regarded as "a world of lies",the same kisame had. I think kishi copied it from kisame,because in volume 54 there were a lot of differences between kisame and itachi's characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    I forgot to say this in the previous chapter's thread,and now it's closed. did anyone find odd that itachi's view of life was regarded as "a world of lies",the same kisame had. I think kishi copied it from kisame,because in volume 54 there were a lot of differences between kisame and itachi's characters.
    Not really, since Itachi basically did spend most of his life living a lie and even dying in that lie. He also pretty much had Sasuke and most of the world believing that lie.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    right
    btw, the previous chapter was "nothing" ,it reminds me chapter 564 "noone" and tobi's sentence "I am noone". but why are there so many people without an identity ?

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