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It's actually shocking people are unhappy with Sasuke "spamming" his Mangekyo. Thought you'd be used to it by now with Naruto spamming bunshins and rasengan.... Besides, Sasuke was testing out his Mangekyo and learning it. At least he has plenty of other jutsu under his arsenal like chidori, chidori nagashi, couple of katon, etc. Naruto just has bunshins, rasengan, and FRS. Hell, he hasn't even picked up any other jutsu since then, from what I recall. At least Sasuke's mixed it around.
Basically, you can't accuse Sasuke of spamming his jutsu without accusing Naruto of doing it, and even worse. Almost all his fights have been full of bunshins, plenty of time over 9000 bunshins that did nothing whatsoever.
Regarding Sasuke's fighting style, yea, Sasuke is one of those few...others (other than Naruto) would include Itachi, Kakashi, etc.
As far as spamming...I guess that now, using an ability once per fight is spamming....I didn't know that. I'd be willing to bet that Naruto used more Rasengan/variants against Pain than Sasuke has used MS techniques period, lol. Considering that Sasuke actually fought against multiple Kage-level after getting MS, I don't see how it wasn't expected for him to use MS techs.
I wish everyone'd stop confusing bait-and-switch with genius level battle strategy. I remember about a year or two ago someone said Naruto had surpassed Kakashi as a battle strategist, and I threw up in my mouth a little.
Though, younger Naruto did have more variety than current Naruto (including Rikudou mode Naruto). Where is his Uzumaki Naruto rendan? Version with 1000 clones? Naruto lost what versatility he had, sadly, sticking to rasengan and shadow clones.
Sasuke's a better shinobi/ninja than Naruto though. Part I in the beginning against Kakash is proof enough: Sasuke and Sakura immediately hid and went out of sight while Naruto was out there in the open. Honestly though, you can't make Sasuke look bad without making Naruto look bad.
Also, I suppose Kishi is keeping Naruto's creativity for Sasuke versus Naruto. That's when the cool stuff will start pumping in! But don't take multiple rasengans lightly: I remember thinking a lot about what other variations would be possible with Kyuubi arms, and it took me hours of entertaining back when that chapter went out.
Imagine Naruto's clones with tons of arms working together, it's quite impossible to react fast enough to avoid them all!
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Originally Posted by ashher
Then you didn't just see someone attempt to kill him? And it does'nt matter at all that the fight hadn't ended yet and BOTH ninja declared multiple times they were there to kill him? Theatrics or not, they took place during the middle of a genuine fight to the death, that can't be downplayed.
I clearly showed him in the middle of a fight that was at first a draw until his eyesight went bad. Afterwhich he nearly died DUE to that lapse in eyesight. There's no middleground because you can't show the same thing for Naruto, so you can't say it's the same thing. This is an immediate consequence paid for the use of his powers, and he suffered because of it.
Originally Posted by ashher
The difference here, that you're still (deliberately) missing is that Naruto had an out, whereas Sasuke didn't. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v47/c435/7.html
This is Naruto at full health without a damn scratch on his face, but without Sage Mode. At this current point he's capable of performing bunshin to prevent what's about to happen. He doesn't though. He uses somemore of that battle genius logic and runs straight at him. Likewise, Midori just kinda... stood there after the Genjutsu was stopped. Why didn't she reverse summon a clone for him (he still had one left) inorder to skip the "consequence" of time necessary to access Sage Mode? Naruto had multiple ways out, both of whom didn't result in him being maimed.
I addressed this already. It's not a consequence if he loses nothing. Even when he was buy himself with no one there to save him from the consequences of his actions a damn ghost appeared in his mind and turned off the Kyuubi like it was no big deal. AND perfectly sealed his seal back to a point stronger than it was prior to the fight.
Sasuke however? Tobi may have shown up to save him, but when Sasuke left that fight he was blind as a bat: an unavoidable consequence. Naruto left his fight with a stronger seal. Sasuke left his fight blind. I dare you to try to compare both situations as equal.
Ok this is just my two cents after reading the monumental discussion that took place over the last few pages......
Sasuke and Naruto are characters that I believe peeked as ninjas a while ago...... And this basically has to do with how Kishi has written the Naruto Saga,
I think what people are ultimately arguing about, with this whole spamming discussion, is about fighting potential and versatility as ninjas....
Which takes us to MS vs clone/rasengan
At the end of the day I think you need to except that every ninja in this series becomes a spammer, and no one can really deny this....
As someone pointed out, Minato spammed Hirashin and Rasengan, Kakashi spams Chidori/Sharigan, and more recently his own MS, Raikage his lightning cloak, Gaara his sand, etc, etc, etc, NOW THIS IS NOT A BAD THING, its just fact that at the end of the day this is their best techniques, and they are going to rely on them (This is deliberate by Kishi).
However what is interesting is that in the case of both Naruto and Sasuke we have seen their growth as ninjas, and seen them develop these techniques which they now spam (which is obviously because this manga is coming to an end, my opinion). As I result I think what people get upset about is that we all remember a time when they didn't do this......
I think Sasuke is more true of this as Naruto, Sasuke (imho, but i think a lot of people will agree with me) was at his best before he got MS, which ultimately reached its pinnacle with his fight with Itachi. We saw versatility, genius, intelligence, and AMAAZING techniques which were developed in extreme situations......in other words he was adaptable....... The problem with all of that is that MS trumps all, and why would anyone bother use a katon when you have ameratsu, regular genjutsu when you have Tsukomi (cant spell it lol) and bother training your speed and agility when you have Susanoo....
NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG, MS is great but it many ways its ruined Sasuke's character for me, he was a genius before, now he's just overpowered, so we don't see those flashes of brilliance like we used to see, like in his fight with deidra and itachi.....
All of this also applies to naruto.....he was never a genius, he was a regular ninja with GUTS!!!! That's what we've loved about him. Him grabbing Kabuto's hand to use the rasengan, his whole digging to beat neji, his head but to beat gaara, they weren't technical brilliance they were just a manifestation of SHEER DETERMINATION!!!
But once again, this was never going to last, we all wanted to see him control the Kyuubi, we all want to see him rival his dad, BUT AS A RESULT, it has detracted from Naruto's original way as a ninja, because like sasuke, why bother with guts and determination when you have unlimited chakra and can spam clones and massive rasengans LOL!
Sam as Sasuke Naruto's fight for me peaked with pain, though he did use a lot of rasengans and had sage mode we saw those moments, like him throwing himself at pain using his other clones, that left me nostalgic of the old naruto ways..... but it was doomed to transecend into a "who has the better spamming techniques" because as fans thats what we really wanted......maybe Kishi could have somehow balanced the two (maybe he still will) but I think the introduction of Madara and what his powers consisted of proved to me that that was not going to be the case
I LOVE THIS MANGA, I LOVE HOW IT HAS DEVELOPED, but I doubt i will ever see any fight that rivals Itachi vs Sasuke or Sasuke vs Naruto (Round 1), because the way these techniques have developed it doesn't have room for those flashes of genius (from sasuke) or those guts moments (from naruto)......
So I hope everyone is looking forward to a Kyuubi vs EMS battle, because thats what we're going to get
Last edited by chilibun; December 25, 2011 at 10:05 PM.