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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Wishful thinking. That's not a jab or anything, it's my honest-to-god opinion. It's wishful thinking. I think you knew this to begin with anyway considering:
You brought the situation to light before I even remarked about it, lol.Originally Posted by Oathencrantz
But that's how Itachi and Minato are portrayed by Kishi and there's ample proof that when there's a slight chink in their perfection, it is followed by disbelief and annoyance.
They've been saying it, but had nothing to base it on other than the fact that they assumed the Sharingan could do nothing against a sound Genjutsu (proven wrong btw). Now they actually have a viable argument, which makes that slim straw they held on to have a bit more girth. Also, like the very first post I quoted in here, people are already glossing over the fact that Sasuke and Itachi did indeed break out of Tayuya's Genjutsu, going as far as to say the Sharingan was "useless".Originally Posted by Oathencrantz
You can consider it an unbiased debate without trolls and fanboys when people aren't blowing things out of proportion to that degree, sure. But not everyone's gonna be rational enough to look at it objectively. I also didn't say every Jiraiya supporter was a fanboy. Some could simply be... misinformed.
Honestly, it's not the attack itself that should worry anyone who thinks JIraiya will win, but how Jiraiya will be able to get to that point. Ken can't block effectively against small people like he can against summons, and both Uchiha have long-range attacks. Not to mention, they can do genjutsu on Jiraiya as well. Maybe Jiraiya can escape Sasuke's, but at this point it's farfetched to assume he can escape Itachi's.
It's not just the jutsu itself that should be focused on, but how the shinobi will get there. Kirin will be almost one hit KO on Nagato, but they have to consider how Sasuke will set it up and whether he'll last long enough. Nagato has plenty of ways to take on and even kill Sasuke.
As for Susano'o, I intented that for causing pain to the Uchiha:
we know that Tayuya's genjutsu are escapable through pain, so Susano'o sucker punching the Uchiha would work.
Well, I would prefer to fight a very still Uchiha instead of a fully mobile Uchiha lol
That's another thing: Sasuke remarked that Susanoo feels like every cell in your body is on fire when it's activated. I'd say that constitutes as pain enough to get out of a Genjutsu. I guess the argument could be made that he's gotten used to Susanoo's physical stress due to constant usage of it, but I dunno. I suppose the difference between Danzo's seal and Tayuya's Genjutsu is that, instead of holding your chakra back, since it's a Genjutsu it just distorts your chakra, making it tough to manifest Susanoo.
Atleast that's what I'm gonna tell myself to make since of their Susanoo failing during that Genjutsu.
LOOL I saw this coming. Once a chapter revails a weekness in a jutsu, you can bet many people are gonna use that to their advantage in the fantasy fights. They're only fantasy fights, nothing official or fact. This is really why I base who would likely win on how Kishi displays the character involved and non can change my mind regardless of what feets they display. Only Kishi can change my mind without question because in this manga all authority is given to him
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I don't see how you can say it was a "relatively weak" auditory genjutsu. It was B-rank before being boosted by Kabuto's sage abilities. And as pointed out, them aiding each other could simply have been the fastest means of escaping then individually attempting to break it. The fact that they could move somewhat and still use their MS techniques suggest he wouldn't have been all that defenseless.
I wanna see how fast Naruto can break out of a genjutsu, at least advanced genjutsu. If he can do it in less than five seconds, then Itachi's chances of winning are even lower. The only defense Itachi would have is the Shield, if not Susano'o, and the only offense he'd have is the Sword, if other Susano'o attacks aren't strong enough. Well, Amaterasu too, but I guess that depends.
i find it intriguing that the brothers genjutsued a genjutsu...they physically cut the bonds that were restraining them.so my question is...was naruto in a genjutsu when sasuke first met the kyubi...to enter someone's mind is one thing...but to do these physical things makes me wonder if creation is the base of the sharigan.
manifesting susano and amaterasu...we're not talking about DBZ powering up stuff...but off of just their eyes power.pretty impressive when you think about it...a long way from the copy cat styles(oh...the good ol'days)
Last edited by gnut; May 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM.
Yeah, when Sasuke went into Naruto's mind and met the Kyuubi, he did it with a genjutsu. We saw Shi "physically" grabbed is one of Sasuke's later genjutsu, plus that whole thing with Orochimaru's inner world.