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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

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    I mean, do we know anyone as big as Madara, Hashirama, Sakumo, Minato, Hiruzen, Kakashi,
    Hanzou was suppose to be on that level, but was shown to be a joke.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    I too, but then no attack arrived, but all the...Wrinkles, or lines that signified Edo Tensei disappeared after the release, so it is likely he released the jutsu there.
    It doesn't make any sense, true.

    There was blood, poor Samui and Atsui got swallowed up by Gedo Mazo together with Kinkaku and Ginkaku them chunin level ninjas.

    It is also comforting that, Oonoki not withstanding, the Kages are displaying less courage than the fodders that ran up to Tobi, hell Mei is shaking from 10 chapters straight.
    Hiruzen may have been the most overrated character in history, but he at least faced Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru like a boss, with a sword impaled to his chest, using a suicidal jutsu.
    I made a comment regarding Mei's weak will. She lacks perseverance. She's a disappointment and shouldn't be given the title Kage.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    tbh imo hiruzen had no balls.
    he knew almost everything what was going on but never did anything :/

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    I made a comment regarding Mei's weak will. She lacks perseverance. She's a disappointment and shouldn't be given the title Kage.
    Mei is going up against Itachi,Hashirama,and Nagato combined....anyone would be a little weak willed facing these three seperately,but all in one body is a overkill.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    I made a comment regarding Mei's weak will. She lacks perseverance. She's a disappointment and shouldn't be given the title Kage.
    Weak will? The Kages are nearly on empty and haven't been capable of doing a thing against Madara when he wasn't even fighting seriously. There's a limit to "perseverance". They should in fact be thinking of retreating so they can recover and come up with an actual plan, instead of foolishly confronting Madara in their current state and gaining nothing. Mei's the only one thinking with her head.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Weak will? The Kages are nearly on empty and haven't been capable of doing a thing against Madara when he wasn't even fighting seriously. There's a limit to "perseverance". They should in fact be thinking of retreating so they can recover and come up with an actual plan, instead of foolishly confronting Madara in their current state and gaining nothing. Mei's the only one thinking with her head.
    That's the thing the absolutely CANNOT do. If they did, they will be leaving many shinobi lives and potentially shinobi world in danger. This war will decide EVERYTHING. Don't u see it? Assume Tobi got Naruto and went ahead with his plan to control EVERYONE, when then? Madara just said he's gonna get Kurama from Naruto and u think a retreating will solve things? I know they're in a seemingly impossible situation right now but they will doom themselves either way if they let Madara who can easily level mountains within seconds get away. They must stop him here and now no question.

    I went overboard when i said Mei souldn't be given title Kage but still she shouldn't doubt like that as a Kage. She's not just a normal shinobi, SHE'S A DARN KAGE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Mei is going up against Itachi,Hashirama,and Nagato combined....anyone would be a little weak willed facing these three seperately,but all in one body is a overkill.
    I'm starting to wonder if anyone remembers the Chuunin Exams Test 1 - The Written Exam. The young shinobi were faced with almost an impossible test by Ibiki? http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-16/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-18/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-48-19/...hapter-43.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-49-6/n...hapter-44.html This was just the first stage to pass the chunin exam, now imagine what test participants for the title Kage had to go through ^_^... Part 1 Sasuke faced Orochimaru and he attacked fearlessly without any reluctance even though he knew that he stood no chance against him. Sarutobi didn't run when he was facing the previous Kages and he didn't hasitate. Somethings u cannot run from situations and the Kage vs Madara is one of that situations because this war decides everything.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    That's the thing the absolutely CANNOT do. If they did, they will be leaving many shinobi lives and potentially shinobi world in danger. This war will decide EVERYTHING. Don't u see it? Assume Tobi got Naruto and went ahead with his plan to control EVERYONE, when then? Madara just said he's gonna get Kurama from Naruto and u think a retreating will solve things? I know they're in a seemingly impossible situation right now but they will doom themselves either way if they let Madara who can easily level mountains within seconds get away. They must stop him here and now no question.

    I went overboard when i said Mei souldn't be given title Kage but still she shouldn't doubt like that as a Kage. She's not just a normal shinobi, SHE'S A DARN KAGE
    So instead of retreating, where they could receive healing and more reinforcements to actually slow Madara down, they should instead keep fighting him despite being worn down, even though Madara was having no trouble against them even when they were fresher? That makes little sense. Seeing as Madara would have to actually find Naruto first, there's far less at risk retreating for a while and then confronting him again while being more flesh and with more allies, then continuing to fight Madara and risking death, which would free Madara up to find Naruto without anyone knowing he is or of his abilities.

    Need I point out that even a Kage should know when the odds are against them. Just look at Minato. So the idea that she should be willing to stick around in a hopeless situation against an opponent who's literally being playing around with them just because she's a Kage, instead of actually employing some tactical thinking, is ridiculous. There's nothing to gain by continuous repeating the same tricks against Madara.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    Part 1 Sasuke faced Orochimaru and he attacked fearlessly without any reluctance even though he knew that he stood no chance against him. Sarutobi didn't run when he was facing the previous Kages and he didn't hasitate. Somethings u cannot run from situations and the Kage vs Madara is one of that situations because this war decides everything.
    Actually, Sasuke was scared shitless of Orochimaru until Naruto "saved" him from the snake. If it weren't for Naruto, Sasuke woudl have still been scared shitless, methinks.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    So instead of retreating, where they could receive healing and more reinforcements to actually slow Madara down, they should instead keep fighting him despite being worn down, even though Madara was having no trouble against them even when they were fresher? That makes little sense. Seeing as Madara would have to actually find Naruto first, there's far less at risk retreating for a while and then confronting him again while being more flesh and with more allies, then continuing to fight Madara and risking death, which would free Madara up to find Naruto without anyone knowing he is or of his abilities.

    Need I point out that even a Kage should know when the odds are against them. Just look at Minato. So the idea that she should be willing to stick around in a hopeless situation against an opponent who's literally being playing around with them just because she's a Kage, instead of actually employing some tactical thinking, is ridiculous. There's nothing to gain by continuous repeating the same tricks against Madara.
    They CANNOT retreat from such an opponent when they know the destruction he can cause.
    The retreat scenario shouldn't work for 2 reasons:
    Madara can probably catch them anyway and the Kages will end up wasting more Chakra and Stamina while Madara is full.
    Madara could easily threaten & mock by saying something like this " If u cowards leave, ALL THE SHINOBI WILL AROUND WILL DIE BY MY HABD!!!"

    The Kages don't have time to rest as u put it. 1 hours isn't enough to rest up chakra and against a beast like Madara who only needs 5secs to destroy mountains, the idea of resting while other shinobi is dying vs Madara is catastrophic. It's hamful and shameful to the title Kage and people other shinobi might even considered the Kages selfish cowards who considered their safety while they let other shinobi to die.

    They must end him here and now because retreating to get reinforcements is extremely harmful.

    If anything it would better if reinforcements contact them that the have a plan to help trap and defeat Madara.
    It would be much better if the Kages retreat from Madara because reinforcements already formulated a plan to help defeat Madara than to just retreat without a plan made already because that will be dangerously putting the shinobi people at risk of dying. Get it?

    Time is something they do not have!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Actually, Sasuke was scared shitless of Orochimaru until Naruto "saved" him from the snake. If it weren't for Naruto, Sasuke woudl have still been scared shitless, methinks.
    After Sasuke was set Straight is exactly when i'm refering to ^_^

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    In fact I'll be shocked if the Kages were just left alone like that without shinobi eye's watching them and by shinobi eyes i meant people in the headquarters like Inoichi Yamanaka or Shikaku Nara or others Yamanaka clan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay3795 View Post
    They CANNOT retreat from such an opponent when they know the destruction he can cause.
    The retreat scenario shouldn't work for 2 reasons:
    Madara can probably catch them anyway and the Kages will end up wasting more Chakra and Stamina while Madara is full.
    Madara could easily threaten & mock by saying something like this " If u cowards leave, ALL THE SHINOBI WILL AROUND WILL DIE BY MY HABD!!!"

    The Kages don't have time to rest as u put it. 1 hours isn't enough to rest up chakra and against a beast like Madara who only needs 5secs to destroy mountains, the idea of resting while other shinobi is dying vs Madara is catastrophic. It's hamful and shameful to the title Kage and people other shinobi might even considered the Kages selfish cowards who considered their safety while they let other shinobi to die.

    They must end him here and now because retreating to get reinforcements is extremely harmful.

    If anything it would better if reinforcements contact them that the have a plan to help trap and defeat Madara.
    It would be much better if the Kages retreat from Madara because reinforcements already formulated a plan to help defeat Madara than to just retreat without a plan made already because that will be dangerously putting the shinobi people at risk of dying. Get it?

    Time is something they do not have!!
    There's no reason they cannot retreat. Madara doesn't care at all about them, thus there's no issue with him attempting to follow them and there are no ninjas around them, and if their were, they surely would be dead at this point in time after all that has happen.

    The Alliance forces would have multiple healers that would be well rested given the state of the war, who could heal and restore the Kages stamina back to their peak. How do you think their fellow ninjas are gonna feel if Madara ends up killing the Kages? You don't think that things will be even more catastrophic and hopeless if the Alliance forces learn the five strongest ninjas were all taken down by him? You really think some temporary shame while the Kages prepare for another round is more harmful then the complete lost of hope done by their deaths?

    The whole point is that they can't end him here. That's what they been attempting to do and failing at every turn. They haven't even been able to touch him, except when he allowed them to. Exactly how long are they suppose to stand there, getting weaker and weaker while Madara remains at his best, before they reach the point of simply acting suicidal? They don't get points for trying and failing, all that matters is succeeding. And if that means retreating for a while, then that's what they need to do. Worrying about appearances and opinions when the fate of the world is resting on their shoulders is ridiculous. The only thing to worry about is winning, by any means necessary.

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    Sorry Kay3795, but you seem to not understand the need for a tactical retreat when the odds of winning are nearing 1%. Your explanation for how they would have a chance make no sense, as they are the top fighters of their respective villages. Those are shinobi, not samurai, going kamikaze would be fatal.

    I assume Kishimoto pull out a twist, some unexpected shit again to let them win somehow or Sasuke will somehow miraculously be able take him down.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Well, Konoha is always made to look good. I mean, do we know anyone as big as Madara, Hashirama, Sakumo, Minato, Hiruzen, Kakashi, or even Asuma in other villages? Kinda sad that it isn't Gaara motivating the kage, he was pretty cool when he stood up to Oonoki.

    To be honest, we're not completely sure if Hiruzen really knew it or not. Maybe he just let Danzou get away with some stuff because it was for the village. Besides, if Danzou was as underground as he said he was, it would be hard for Hiruzen to keep track of everything. I mean, we even saw him find out too late what Orochimaru was doing and let him get away.

    Dunno, Shikamaru's pretty intelligent, and Chouji managed to go into butterfly form without doping. To be honest though, I could see kyuubi Mode Naruto standing up to Minato. His defense and speed is far too good for Minato.
    As prince Sasuke said, Hanzou was supposed to be pretty badass, then A stalemated with Yondaime enough times, Bee is uber awesome, Kisame was pretty strong, hell all Akatsuki was hardcore.
    And well, an healty Nagato would stand above everyone bar Hashirama and Madara, maybe.

    Hiruzen had morals, and while, as Danzou said, he would do what was right when the time would come, he always seemed pretty lenient towards anything. I doubt he would approve on Danzou's actions on Ame, or at the orphanage, good of Konoha or not.

    Shukaku proved to be still more smart than his son, while Chouji... Yes, we can say he surpassed his father, true.
    And Naruto definitely surpassed Yondaime, hell if Sage Mode would sense Hiraishin's kunai even Naruto without Kyuubi would be comparable to him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Mei is going up against Itachi,Hashirama,and Nagato combined....anyone would be a little weak willed facing these three seperately,but all in one body is a overkill.
    True, but a Kage is supposedly one that would not back down against unsormontable odds, very much like Naruto vs Kabuto in part 1, remember the little debate between Oro and Jiraiya?
    A true ninja is someone who doesn't give up no matter the odds, and if by dying he or she would save the world, so be it. Did Hiruzen despair when he fought against immortals such as Hashirama and Tobirama? Despite being old, and having to face Orochimaru too?
    No.
    Did Yondaime despair when he had to face Kyuubi, and then sacrifice his life and Kushina's to save Konoha and gave his son the means to fight Tobi?
    No.
    What would retreat and think accomplish? What message would it give if the 5 Kages combined would run, when the army fought immortals, shape shifting guys and other shit?

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    What would it accomplish to die? The moral would go to zero. They used everything they had and Madara took it as childplay. What method or technique can you imagine them to win this? Somebody using the dead god jutsu? Lame. Win through friendship? This is no Fairy Tail.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Better a Kage that died like a hero than a Kage that ran with his tail firmly behind his back, morale-wise.
    As for suicide kind of jutsu Anko, a special jounin with no redeeming features, had a double suicide jutsu, meaning that Kishi can easily let one of them pull it off with no problem. They have to stop Madara, if not, the world is gone unless Naruto, again, will save their ass.

    But can the 5 leaders of the world let on Naruto's shoulders not only Tobi, the one who has 7 Bijuus at his disposal and arguably the most powerful being alive, but also an immortal Madara? And Sasuke too, if he feels like it?
    Like Oonoki said is not a matter of being able to do it, is a matter of doing it regardless. If they must retreat, at least they shouldn't seem as scared as 12 years old boys and girls taking the first exam of the Chunin selection.

    And even if they do retreat, what will they accomplish? This isn't a strategic retreat, is Madara sparing them and them being scaredy-cats. Would a village being ruled by such spineless cowards? I don't think so, since, with the exception of Gaara and Oonoki, the others didn't accomplished a damn thing in this war, they simply let others do their job for them

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    iThey would be able to think about a different approach and let some medical teams refill their chakra reserves. Tsunade might be full again, by why should Madara let them heal in the middle of their fight? He's arrogant, not dumb.

    Retreating from an open field while the enemy is shooting with a minigun is not spineless. Retreats aren't spineless, they safe hopeless lifes. They have like 50percent of the total shinobi alliance's power, losing that would be fatal.

    Not saying that they will do that, as Kishimoto will somehow pull a win, only that at this moment their chances of winning are pretty low unless he introduces something new and unexpected.
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