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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    That's why I never understood why people thought Naruto needed Hiraishin even AFTER becoming the fastest ninja in the series. Having 1000 ninja moving at those speeds at the blink of an eye... would make for one short, lame ass fight.



    You're mistaken. Needing help from another clan is PROOF that they were equals. Because they're equals, they keep fighting to standstills. Inorder to tip the balance so that another standstill doesn't take place, the looked for outside help.

    Also, calling them rivals means they are equals. If they weren't equals you couldn't call them rivals. Rival, as a verb by definition means

    verb (used with object)
    5.
    to compete with in rivalry: strive to win from, equal, or outdo.

    6.
    to prove to be a worthy rival of: He soon rivaled the others in skill.

    7.
    to equal (something) as if in carrying on a rivalry: The Hudson rivals any European river in beauty.
    Konohamru stated that he and naruto are rival. Does it make them as an equal?
    Danzo is hiruzen's rival. Are they equal?
    Guy to kakashi.
    Minato to Ay.

    They're rivals but it doesn't mean they're equal.

    And no. If the uchiha needed an outside help to fight the senju, then it means they don't have the capacity to defeat them. And judging from uchiha's characteristic, they're soproud of their clans power and caliber. So yea, joining with other clan to fight the senju is a desperate act for the uchiha.

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Konohamru stated that he and naruto are rival. Does it make them as an equal?
    Danzo is hiruzen's rival. Are they equal?
    Guy to kakashi.
    Minato to Ay.
    Konohamaru is a small brat blabbering bullshit.

    Danzou and Hiruzen? From what they've shown they where pretty equal.

    Kakashi and Gai? Clearly equals.

    Minato and A? Considering both of them fought who knows how often and both of them survived to tell the tale they where pretty much as equal as it can get.
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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by LnDRash View Post
    Konohamaru is a small brat blabbering bullshit.

    Danzou and Hiruzen? From what they've shown they where pretty equal.

    Kakashi and Gai? Clearly equals.

    Minato and A? Considering both of them fought who knows how often and both of them survived to tell the tale they where pretty much as equal as it can get.
    In each equality, one always is a step ahead. There is no denying that it's pretty obvious.

    Madara/Hashirama-Hashirama
    Danzou/Hiruzen-Hiruzen
    Gai/Kakashi-Kakashi
    Raikage/Minato-Minato
    Sasuke/Naruto-hopefully Naruto

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    The term rival isn't limited to fighting only. Konohamaru and Danzou were competing against their rivals in the challenge of becoming the Hokage. They have/had the same goal, hence they were rivals.

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    In each equality, one always is a step ahead. There is no denying that it's pretty obvious.

    Madara/Hashirama-Hashirama
    Danzou/Hiruzen-Hiruzen
    Gai/Kakashi-Kakashi
    Raikage/Minato-Minato
    Sasuke/Naruto-hopefully Naruto
    Hashirama is the only one with a clear advantage here.

    Hiruzen and Danzou is hard to pick because we never saw either fight when they were young, and when Danzou was old he was enhanced quite a bit.

    Ga and Kakashi are equal. If Gai uses the Gates, Kakashi dies. If Kakashi uses Kamui, Gai dies. Both have fought on par with or defeated very powerful Akatsuki members.

    As for Raikage and Minato. Unless Minato can kill the Raikage with a kunai, they are equal, and considering neither one died by the others hand (and it's not like Minato spared him, he butchered people in the 3rd ninja war) it can be considered equal, with Minato having a slight speed advantage and the Raikage having a massive power advantage.

    Sasuke and Naruto. There power levels have fluctuated constantly. This is the first time that Naruto has been definitively more powerful than Sasuke, whom, might I add, he's never defeated in combat. He's either lost or forced a draw.
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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Hashirama is the only one with a clear advantage here.

    Hiruzen and Danzou is hard to pick because we never saw either fight when they were young, and when Danzou was old he was enhanced quite a bit.

    Ga and Kakashi are equal. If Gai uses the Gates, Kakashi dies. If Kakashi uses Kamui, Gai dies. Both have fought on par with or defeated very powerful Akatsuki members.

    As for Raikage and Minato. Unless Minato can kill the Raikage with a kunai, they are equal, and considering neither one died by the others hand (and it's not like Minato spared him, he butchered people in the 3rd ninja war) it can be considered equal, with Minato having a slight speed advantage and the Raikage having a massive power advantage.

    Sasuke and Naruto. There power levels have fluctuated constantly. This is the first time that Naruto has been definitively more powerful than Sasuke, whom, might I add, he's never defeated in combat. He's either lost or forced a draw.
    I still stand by my opinion. The what-ifs don't really define someone's superiority in my pov.

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    I still stand by my opinion. The what-ifs don't really define someone's superiority in my pov.
    They aren't what ifs.

    You favored Kakashi. Gai can clearly obliterate Kakashi if chose to.

    You favored Hiruzen. If Danzou were to use Izanagi Hiruzen would have no answer.

    You favored the Raikage. If he ever hit Minato he'd likely be dead.

    You favored Naruto. He's never defeated Sasuke.

    These aren't what ifs they are facts. As I said, the only clear victor is Hashirama because Madara never defeated him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    They aren't what ifs.

    You favored Kakashi. Gai can clearly obliterate Kakashi if chose to.

    You favored Hiruzen. If Danzou were to use Izanagi Hiruzen would have no answer.

    You favored the Raikage. If he ever hit Minato he'd likely be dead.

    You favored Naruto. He's never defeated Sasuke.

    These aren't what ifs they are facts. As I said, the only clear victor is Hashirama because Madara never defeated him.
    They aren't facts because they didn't happen, apart from Sasuke defeating Naruto, ergo, that's what you THINK, therefore, it's not a FACT. I don't think I can be more clear. I favored those who are throughout the manga clearly a one step ahead of their supposed equal. THAT'S a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    They aren't facts because they didn't happen, apart from Sasuke defeating Naruto, ergo, that's what you THINK, therefore, it's not a FACT. I don't think I can be more clear. I favored those who are throughout the manga clearly a one step ahead of their supposed equal. THAT'S a fact.
    So you honestly think Kakashi can somehow survive Gai's 6 plus gates attacks, or Minato can somehow survive a straight blow from the Raikage. Ok, yea you've lost all credibility. It's common sense, I don't need to be shot in the head with a 12 guage slug to find out if it will kill me or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    So you honestly think Kakashi can somehow survive Gai's 6 plus gates attacks, or Minato can somehow survive a straight blow from the Raikage. Ok, yea you've lost all credibility. It's common sense, I don't need to be shot in the head with a 12 guage slug to find out if it will kill me or not.
    Common sense is that you don't measure one's strength on a WHAT IF SITUATION. If Raikage was faster than Minato, he would've handled him, but he didn't. That's a fact and that proved Minato's superiority, which is SHOWN IN THE MANGA. It's that simple. If I were to throw you the ball, yeah, Kakashi can pretty much survive Gai's 6 gates using Kamui. Apart from Kamui, Kakashi is highly being underestimated and that's a first.

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    Re: Naruto 624 Discussion / 625 Predictions

    Guys guys calm down with the raikage vs minato debate, essentially you both are right. If the raikage ever did land a blow in minato he would die, given wht we know. So that's right. But we also seen their first encounter and how minato was the one with the upper hand. We also know that minato did not have any killer intent when fighting him and that they fought multiple times. Neither the raikage nor minato was killed from their bouts, so minato supposedly never got hit by A. And we also have As praise for minato stating that he thougt minato would never be surpassed. Going from all their fights and As statement it's just to say that Minato > Raikage


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Common sense is that you don't measure one's strength on a WHAT IF SITUATION. If Raikage was faster than Minato, he would've handled him, but he didn't. That's a fact and that proved Minato's superiority, which is SHOWN IN THE MANGA. It's that simple. If I were to throw you the ball, yeah, Kakashi can pretty much survive Gai's 6 gates using Kamui. Apart from Kamui, Kakashi is highly being underestimated and that's a first.
    Minato and Raikage fought once and Minato couldn't kill him. He went to attack him with a kunai, mind you, the Raikage survived Sasuke's chidori to the chest wtih minimal damage, and you think just because Minato was somehow going to hit the Raikage with a kunai he could beat him? We know they faced each other again, and neither one was killed.

    And you must be kidding me. Kakashi has no chance of surviving The Morning Peacock of the Afternoon Tiger. Hell, Kisame, who is one of the most durable ninja in the manga barely survived The Morning Peacock and Gai wasn't even trying to kill him because they needed to capture and question him.

    I agree though that Kakashi is underestimated, but there's a reason Gai can be a top tier fighter with just taijutsu, it's because he's a freaking beast himself. You don't defeat Kisame if you are some kind of slouch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalix View Post
    Izuna had to have had the MS though, they even showed it in the past but maybe ran out of time. It's just that Kishimoto did just a hack job nerfing the Uchiha that maybe an effective counter was simply wearing sun-glasses.
    The Senju have been living in the Uchiha shadow for 99% of this manga. Its Kishis own fault for introducing Godly characters. It kinda made it hard for him to match or atleast make the Senju (Hashirama and Tobirama specifically) as or more powerful than the Uchiha without having to resort to other absurd methods; the only other option like you said is the nerfing.

    I dont see what the problem with this whole Senju >=< Uchiha debate is, its a tad too much with the gloating sure but you cant say that the other side hasnt done as much over the entirety of the Manga. Heck, up until recently no one knew what made the Senju that special or w.e.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Minato and Raikage fought once and Minato couldn't kill him. He went to attack him with a kunai, mind you, the Raikage survived Sasuke's chidori to the chest wtih minimal damage, and you think just because Minato was somehow going to hit the Raikage with a kunai he could beat him? We know they faced each other again, and neither one was killed.
    That is a serious bait (even if unintentional). I sort of understand what Roman is getting at, if we start employing these scenarios that have not happened, this will end up going in an infinite circle. He stated it is his opinion and he will stand by it, ofcourse you provide logical reasons why say Gai would beat Kakashi etc but you have to understand, everyone has a different scenario going on in theyre head. Im sure a lot of people could formulate a way Kakashi could beat Gai

    Heck, ninjabot could possibly convince you that Sasuke could stomp Hashirama
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbi View Post
    Minato and Raikage fought once and Minato couldn't kill him. He went to attack him with a kunai, mind you, the Raikage survived Sasuke's chidori to the chest wtih minimal damage, and you think just because Minato was somehow going to hit the Raikage with a kunai he could beat him? We know they faced each other again, and neither one was killed.

    And you must be kidding me. Kakashi has no chance of surviving The Morning Peacock of the Afternoon Tiger. Hell, Kisame, who is one of the most durable ninja in the manga barely survived The Morning Peacock and Gai wasn't even trying to kill him because they needed to capture and question him.

    I agree though that Kakashi is underestimated, but there's a reason Gai can be a top tier fighter with just taijutsu, it's because he's a freaking beast himself. You don't defeat Kisame if you are some kind of slouch.
    There is one miscalculation in that which decided Minato the victor - he wasn't really trying to harm them. If he wanted to, he could've. Raikage is far stronger than Minato, but that doesn't mean anything if he can't catch him. And that's it. Period.

    Gai can suffer multiple fatal wounds from Kakashi as well. If he's trapped with Kamui, he's done for. But like I said, it's stupid to me discussing about what ifs. It's all speculation and opinion, but the problem is that you think your speculations are facts which is inevitably wrong.

    I nevr underestimated Gai as much as you've underestimated Kakashi. Both kakashi and Gai could compete with anyone from past Akatsuki except Obito and Nagato, but then again, it's just my opinion.

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