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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    I'm not exactly sure how that matters. I mean sure, you can explain it away like that, but Sasuke got involved in a fight that wasn't his because he wanted answers. Because of that, Itachi had to practically hold his hand. Hell, the only reason that the fight became as interesting as it did was because of Sasuke's involvement. Before that, people believed Kabuto was going to beat Itachi as an example of his strength. People believed that the power of Sasuke's EMS was going to get showcased, but all we got was an Itachi jerk fest. I'm not sure how it's not P.I.S when Itachi has to save Sasuke from situations which Sasuke can obviously save himself, just because Kabuto "wasn't his opponent."
    How doesn't it matter? The entire point of the fight wasn't to beat down Kabuto, it was to bide time til Itachi could activate his plan. All Sasuke was doing was supporting Itachi til Itachi could do what he needed to do, which we were made aware of shortly into the battle. I mean, we went into the fight knowing that the entire point was to take Kabuto alive and use a genjutsu on him. Seem pretty evident that Sasuke wasn't gonna be going all out considering the goal. Will admit I did think he would show something new though.

    And really, even if you would consider that a case of P.I.S., we're talking one battle vs nearly half a dozen. There's a clear difference any way you look at it. At some point, it becomes less P.I.S. and more the standard.

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    It doesn't matter because we know that Sasuke was better than that. That's why it was so easy to call bullshit. Just like we've seen Naruto do vastly better than he has been doing. We've seen Sasuke stand on his own two feet before. Yet, all of a sudden he need Itachi to hold his hand, regardless of what he was there to do. And even with the goal in mind, Sasuke believed that Kabuto could take it.

    So your counting the clone battles too? sure why not. Originally, you cited Naruto's performance in the war as the reason that him being stronger than sasuke is questionable. you have to do the same for Sasuke, and his doesn't look that great either. Naruto having more instances doesn't change that fact. if you honestly want to bring Naruto's superiority into question, cite Sasuke's superior intelligence, better analytical skills, or just overall well roundedness as a ninja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    It doesn't matter because we know that Sasuke was better than that. That's why it was so easy to call bullshit. Just like we've seen Naruto do vastly better than he has been doing. We've seen Sasuke stand on his own two feet before. Yet, all of a sudden he need Itachi to hold his hand, regardless of what he was there to do. And even with the goal in mind, Sasuke believed that Kabuto could take it.
    But nothing during that battle goes against anything previous shown. Sasuke was dumb down or forgot a key ability. He supported and followed his beloved brother, the one who had the plan to win against an opponent who they couldn't outright murder. And it's not even as if that was something new. Sasuke was shown following Itachi's lead during childhood, before the whole massacre incident. There was nothing like that for Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    So your counting the clone battles too? sure why not. Originally, you cited Naruto's performance in the war as the reason that him being stronger than sasuke is questionable. you have to do the same for Sasuke, and his doesn't look that great either. Naruto having more instances doesn't change that fact. if you honestly want to bring Naruto's superiority into question, cite Sasuke's superior intelligence, better analytical skills, or just overall well roundedness as a ninja.
    Only one of they major battles was done by clones, and that technically had a greater showing then the real Naruto. I'm failing to see why I would have to do the same. A single battle following the plan of another against an opponent who couldn't be killed vs several battles following his own plan against opponents who needed to be killed are clearly different situations. Sasuke still showed his knowledge, tactical skills, and speed at attacking and defending. Him not taking the spotlight is considerably different then repeatedly screwing up.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    But nothing during that battle goes against anything previous shown. Sasuke was dumb down or forgot a key ability. He supported and followed his beloved brother, the one who had the plan to win against an opponent who they couldn't outright murder. And it's not even as if that was something new. Sasuke was shown following Itachi's lead during childhood, before the whole massacre incident. There was nothing like that for Naruto.
    Difference being Sasuke is an adult now. An adult that we've seen fight S-Ranked ninja, and hold his own by himself. We saw Sasuke need to be rescued in a situation that he could have clearly handled on his own. Just like we've seen Naruto get handled in situations where he clearly can take care of himself. based on past showings and overall knowledge of his capabilities. I'd say that goes against what was previously shown. It actually was something new because we had zero idea about that boar mission until that fight, not before.

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    Only one of they major battles was done by clones, and that technically had a greater showing then the real Naruto. I'm failing to see why I would have to do the same. A single battle following the plan of another against an opponent who couldn't be killed vs several battles following his own plan against opponents who needed to be killed are clearly different situations. Sasuke still showed his knowledge, tactical skills, and speed at attacking and defending. Him not taking the spotlight is considerably different then repeatedly screwing up.

    What "near half dozen" fights in the war are you talking about if you aren't counting the clones? Because sasuke's performance in the war was nothing to write home about either. Trying to explain that away by saying that Sasuke was a support, doesn't change that. The only reason that fight was even interesting was because of his involvement. Yet, instead of standing alongside his brother, he ended taking a backseat to him. Fact is there are other ways to cite Sasuke's superiority to Naruto.
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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    Difference being Sasuke is an adult now. An adult that we've seen fight S-Ranked ninja, and hold his own by himself. We saw Sasuke need to be rescued in a situation that he could have clearly handled on his own. Just like we've seen Naruto get handled in situations where he clearly can take care of himself. based on past showings and overall knowledge of his capabilities. I'd say that goes against what was previously shown. It actually was something new because we had zero idea about that boar mission until that fight, not before.
    Against an opponent that he couldn't kill and therefore had to hold back against, limiting his options to playing defensive. Unless you point out where Naruto had to take an opponent alive or a situation where Naruto wasn't suppose to be going all out, it's not the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    What "near half dozen" fights in the war are you talking about if you aren't counting the clones? Because sasuke's performance in the war was nothing to write home about either. Trying to explain that away by saying that Sasuke was a support, doesn't change that. The only reason that fight was even interesting was because of his involvement. Yet, instead of standing alongside his brother, he ended taking a backseat to him. Fact is there are other ways to cite Sasuke's superiority to Naruto.
    Itachi & Nagato, Sandaime Raikage, Edo Jinchuuriki, Obito, and the current fight. The only one involving a clone was the Sandaime Raikage, where it only got impressive when Naruto went back to sage Mode. Pretty sure the battle was interesting was just as much due to seeing Kabuto's new abilities and a non-sick Itachi go at it. Yeah, Sasuke took a backseat to Itachi because it was Itachi's fight. It was his plan to use his technique to achieve his goal. Sasuke was only there because he wanted to speak with Itachi. He only dog in that fight was making sure Itachi survived to answer his questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Against an opponent that he couldn't kill and therefore had to hold back against, limiting his options to playing defensive. Unless you point out where Naruto had to take an opponent alive or a situation where Naruto wasn't suppose to be going all out, it's not the same.
    Sasuke himself thought Kabuto could handle it, and was reprimanded or reminded, if you prefer, by Itachi to pull his punches. So as much as you're trying to use that as excuse it doesn't work. Even still why does that excuse Sasuke for being the weak link in the fight, when we as the audience no that he is better than that? It being "Itachi's fight" is not an excuse.

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    Itachi & Nagato, Sandaime Raikage, Edo Jinchuuriki, Obito, and the current fight. The only one involving a clone was the Sandaime Raikage, where it only got impressive when Naruto went back to sage Mode. Pretty sure the battle was interesting was just as much due to seeing Kabuto's new abilities and a non-sick Itachi go at it. Yeah, Sasuke took a backseat to Itachi because it was Itachi's fight. It was his plan to use his technique to achieve his goal. Sasuke was only there because he wanted to speak with Itachi. He only dog in that fight was making sure Itachi survived to answer his questions.
    Edo-Jinchuriki, and Obito were practically the same fight given the fact the Obito was the one controlling them. also, I fail to see how it only got impressive when he went back into sage mode. His tactics against the third Raikage while in chakra mode were impressive as well. Also, how exactly does that count against him? Because of Dodai's involvement? So at best you have three, and even then, It doesn't matter. Given the fact that Naruto has displayed capabilities that would allow him to handle himself in these and previous fights, by all accounts, he should be doing just that. Yet he isn't, almost purely for the sake of other characters. Thusly, P.I.S. The only reason that it works so well is because of the fact that naruto has been characterized as stupid. Sasuke though, not so much. Which is why it's so much easier to point out in his case. Why does that mean that he can't stand alongside Itachi? Once again, that's not an excuse for him essentially being made the Naruto of that fight when we know that he is better than that. It being "Itachi's fight" doesn't change, or excuse this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    Sasuke himself thought Kabuto could handle it, and was reprimanded or reminded, if you prefer, by Itachi to pull his punches. So as much as you're trying to use that as excuse it doesn't work. Even still why does that excuse Sasuke for being the weak link in the fight, when we as the audience no that he is better than that? It being "Itachi's fight" is not an excuse.
    And when did Itachi reprimand Sasuke? At the start of the battle, which changes nothing. And how was Sasuke the "weak link"? I mean, apart from literally being Itachi's weak link. His performance may not have been stellar, but it was hardly horrid like his counterpart.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    Edo-Jinchuriki, and Obito were practically the same fight given the fact the Obito was the one controlling them. also, I fail to see how it only got impressive when he went back into sage mode. His tactics against the third Raikage while in chakra mode were impressive as well. Also, how exactly does that count against him? Because of Dodai's involvement? So at best you have three, and even then, It doesn't matter. Given the fact that Naruto has displayed capabilities that would allow him to handle himself in these and previous fights, by all accounts, he should be doing just that. Yet he isn't, almost purely for the sake of other characters. Thusly, P.I.S. The only reason that it works so well is because of the fact that naruto has been characterized as stupid. Sasuke though, not so much. Which is why it's so much easier to point out in his case. Why does that mean that he can't stand alongside Itachi? Once again, that's not an excuse for him essentially being made the Naruto of that fight when we know that he is better than that. It being "Itachi's fight" doesn't change, or excuse this.
    Just because he was controlling them don't make them the same fight, especially since there was a clear separation between them and an obvious conclusion. And for someone who was supposedly faster then Ee and possessing the strongest wind technique, not only was he outsped but his best technique at that time was tanked. The entire issue is that Naruto isn't living up to his supposed capabilities, especially his supposed superior speed. Claiming he should be able to do something is moot if he doesn't actually do so. And in no way was Sasuke made into "Naruto" during that fight. He wasn't made into an idiot, he didn't make a bunch of amateur mistakes, and his techniques didn't end up being weakened. The only thing Sasuke suffered was not getting to show off, because it was Itachi's fight.

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    Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    And when did Itachi reprimand Sasuke? At the start of the battle, which changes nothing. And how was Sasuke the "weak link"? I mean, apart from literally being Itachi's weak link. His performance may not have been stellar, but it was hardly horrid like his counterpart.
    Due to the fact that he was reprimanded yet still insisted that his opponent could take it, you're right, it changes nothing. Well, you said it. he was Itachi's weak link. Does it matter if his performance was horrid or not? It was below what he was capable of all for Itachi's sake. Kishimoto was pretty obvious about it as well. That's the issue here. You can explain it away with, "oh, it wasn't his fight." But that doesn't change anything. That doesn't make it ok.

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    Just because he was controlling them don't make them the same fight, especially since there was a clear separation between them and an obvious conclusion. And for someone who was supposedly faster then Ee and possessing the strongest wind technique, not only was he outsped but his best technique at that time was tanked. The entire issue is that Naruto isn't living up to his supposed capabilities, especially his supposed superior speed. Claiming he should be able to do something is moot if he doesn't actually do so. And in no way was Sasuke made into "Naruto" during that fight. He wasn't made into an idiot, he didn't make a bunch of amateur mistakes, and his techniques didn't end up being weakened. The only thing Sasuke suffered was not getting to show off, because it was Itachi's fight.
    How is it not the same fight when they're basically facing the same guy using a different method of attack? What exactly does his technique being tanked have to do with his overall performance? That's not a mark against him. That's a plus for his opponent. A technique that we literally saw reduce a body to dust, (human path). It's not really "supposed" if it is actually there. Just like how he did not use the speed again until it was time to save Kakashi. It's there, it's just not being used for the sake of other characters. And Kishimoto can get away with it due to stupidity being a staple in Naruto's character. that way, if he doesn't do something that he's clearly capable of doing, it's in character. So it isn't moot because we know why it's not being done especially if we've seen it done before. In no way, huh? So being rescued when it's not necessary based on his past showings, and being made to follow the lead of another character aren't Naruto like. He doesn't have to meet all those criteria for it to be considered as such. Like I've stated already, it being "Itachi's fight" doesn't excuse this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    Due to the fact that he was reprimanded yet still insisted that his opponent could take it, you're right, it changes nothing. Well, you said it. he was Itachi's weak link. Does it matter if his performance was horrid or not? It was below what he was capable of all for Itachi's sake. Kishimoto was pretty obvious about it as well. That's the issue here. You can explain it away with, "oh, it wasn't his fight." But that doesn't change anything. That doesn't make it ok.
    Him being Itachi's weak link has nothing to do with anything, since nothing came of that. And yeah, it does matter, because that's the entire issue here. There's a difference between not getting a chance to show off but still preforming well enough and preforming horribly below expectations. The former has happen to plenty of characters, the latter only to Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by KiSwordsman View Post
    How is it not the same fight when they're basically facing the same guy using a different method of attack? What exactly does his technique being tanked have to do with his overall performance? That's not a mark against him. That's a plus for his opponent. A technique that we literally saw reduce a body to dust, (human path). It's not really "supposed" if it is actually there. Just like how he did not use the speed again until it was time to save Kakashi. It's there, it's just not being used for the sake of other characters. And Kishimoto can get away with it due to stupidity being a staple in Naruto's character. that way, if he doesn't do something that he's clearly capable of doing, it's in character. So it isn't moot because we know why it's not being done especially if we've seen it done before. In no way, huh? So being rescued when it's not necessary based on his past showings, and being made to follow the lead of another character aren't Naruto like. He doesn't have to meet all those criteria for it to be considered as such. Like I've stated already, it being "Itachi's fight" doesn't excuse this.
    Because defeating the Edo Jinchuuriki had no barrings against defeating Obito. It is a mark against him, cause if an elementally advantage technique can't beat a defense with a weakness to it, what hope is there against a superior defensive technique? And nope. If it was actually there, then Naruto would not/should not be being kept up with regularly. That's like Minato using Hiraishin and people still being able to hit him. The occasional shunshin is not the same thing as supposedly having the same speed as Ee. Every shunshin-user can instantly move upon using it, regardless of their comparable speed. And if you're saying Naruto not doing something is in character, how is that any different then not having it? Either way, Naruto isn't likely to use it and therefore there's no reason to bring it up in a potential conflict with Sasuke.

    What? The only times Sasuke was rescued was during the White Raging and the Inorganic Transformation, with the latter questionable given his following action. Every other time was them mutual rescuing each other, with a single time of Sasuke's fire technique getting overpowered by Kabuto's water technique. At no point did Sasuke need to be rescued after making an idiotic mistake or acting stupid. And if Naruto was just following the lead of another, I wouldn't have a problem, but he's not. He's being ineffective while another fights without any reason is not the same. The majority of the time, there is no one taking the leadership role in the fights, but simply having a free-for-all with no plan.

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    "The Adventures of Naruto's DNA"

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    Kishimoto X Shimabukuro long interview on JUMP VS


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