Originally Posted by Fox666
Just one condition: creating a cumulo-nimbus cloud. Which he did.
Remember when Sai finds Sasuke before Naruto and the others? We see a large explosion, Sai laying on the ground, and then Sasuke standing above them on the exploded rooftop? It was because Sasuke used a katon to destroy the roof (not proven, but makes sense. Sai can't survive an explosion that powerful and get up without a scratch so the explosion had to be far away from him). Then, he uses handseals and reaches his hand to the sky, just like with Kirin (Kirin doesn't require handseals, but he did use handseals this time, likely because the storm wasn't finished yet). Then, right after he and Orochimaru disappear, what happens? That's right: a storm comes and it starts raining.
Anyway, if it WASN'T Kirin, that means Sasuke has some sort of other jutsu that comes from the sky that none of us have seen. It makes more sense to believe it was Kirin than to believe it was something we won't see until now. I think it's a reasonable as an analogy for Naruto's "that jutsu" situation aswell.
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LOL, that's one thing you can't say about the Sharingan: Sasuke's never killed someone while friggin' unconscious.Originally Posted by KiSwordsman
Nagato did have to suffer a bit using some Rinnegan jutsu, like Gedo Mazou's soul stealing dragon. He still has to train and use the power, otherwise why would Jiraiya have him train? Nagato still sucks though.
I do agree that Naruto has his own power. Hell, we even saw that despite his messed up chakra control from Orochimaru's seal, Naruto was still slowly getting the hang of walking on water. That's pretty impressive, considering how bad Naruto was said to be at chakra control.
Gedo Mezo was Nagato's choice to summon, and apparently that's separate of the Rinnegan itself, it's a summon. Was Nagato shunned or an outcasted due to the Rinnegan? Did people hate him because he had the Rinnegan? And we go back to the utilization of power vs your chakra being a battery for power. Naruto utilized the fox's chakra for his own abilities, where as Nagato's chakra was a battery for the Rinnegan. The only times that wasn't true for Naruto was the tailed transformations, but even then it was basically killing him. And every time he used it it was giving the fox more control. Nagato never had to worry about that because eyeballs aren't sentient. Also he may have had to train to use Nature transformation jutsu, which we only saw during flashbacks, but nothing but benefit of the doubt and assumptions suggests that the rinnegan standards required the same thing.
And then there's the fact that he killed three ninja while not even being properly trained because of the Rinnegan. It doesn't really matter if they were good or not.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; September 27, 2012 at 03:21 PM.
Naruto didn't utilize the Kyuubi's chakra for his abilities until Jiraiya taught him to, in a way. Even then, there was no price to pay. and considering his Uzumaki heritage, he'd probably live a normal life anyway.
But Nagato also had to train to use Rinnegan, and he had to worry about draining his chakra as he had no external source of chakra like Naruto did. Kyuubi was more of a bailout trump for Naruto than Rinnegan was for Nagato, as their fight shows.
Naruto managed to be faster than Haku and shatter his mask when he used Kyuubi's chakra. Before that he had no chance. KYuubi's chakra also allowed him to stop orochimaru's snake from attacking Sasuke.Quote:
Not sure whether I should include it healing Naruto's injury from Sasuke's chidori considering Naruto wasn't fighting seriously... but even then, he'd have lost or died quickly without Kyuubi.
It's fine and dandy that he trained while with Jiraiya, but like I stated before, only assumptions and the benefit of the doubt say that the Rinnegan standard jutsu require the same thing. These are the only things we saw from Nagato outside of a flashback.
Ok, so the fox amplified Naruto's strength speed and healing. Nagato murdered three people without even being conscious of it. I don't ever remember saying that the fox wasn't a bailout for Naruto in some situations.Quote:
Last edited by KiSwordsman; September 27, 2012 at 08:49 PM.
HOw is it a price when the Kyuubi is the main reason why Naruto is who he is? If it weren't for Naruto being hated, he wouldn't have been this inspirational ninja or a prankster. He may have been smarter, but he wouldn't have the same personality he does now. And he was never really at risk because of Minato. Minato appeared and fixed the seal again just when Naruto was about to go nine tails... the only danger he was in was against his enemies and risk of Kyuubi not helping. Naruto is the only jinchuuriki we know so far that didn't have the same price as others thanks to Minato.
Well, we don't know if there was only ever three perfect jinchuuriki, there could have been more.
Some situations? The fox was a bailout for Naruto in almost every situation. Against Pain, Sasuke, Neji, Haku, Kakuzu (chakra), Gaara, and etc. One good thing is that Rinnegan was Nagato's bailout in every situation while Naruto relied on his power for the most part before the war started.
But did Nagato have to go through any of this due to the Rinnegan? No, he did not.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; September 28, 2012 at 03:26 AM.
I want a Naruto tournament when the One Piece one will be finished
The safeguard was Minato... Gaara never had such safeguard, he even learned his own father wanted him dead. It's much different. The only time you can even say the Kyuubi was Naruto's own power is when he stole the chakra and trained with it, before Kyuubi became butt buddy with Naruto.
Naruto was in an extremely distraught state he was not a crazy person for an extended period of time. If you want to believe that Minato could fix everything without Naruto being the person that he was, and making the connections that he made then ok. The final comparison to Gaara hints that he is a factor for you when talking about Naruto's treatment.
I like How Nagato has been forgotten, and we are just talking about Naruto now.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; September 30, 2012 at 03:05 AM.
The main reason why he didn't end up like Gaara or even Sasuke was because of his bonds. Gaara was betrayed by one person he trusted, and after that he never struck up friendship or bond with anyone until his fight with Naruto. Sasuke after being with Naruto slowly turned good until Orochimaru got to him. Naruto made good friends and was surrounded by good people, like Kakashi and Jiraiya. Two who could contain the Kyuubi in him if need be, which we saw at least once.
Naruto choosing to use the Kyuubi's chakra is still free powerup if Kyuubi's will comes with it, because Naruto doesn't need to do anything but fight normally. The Kyuubi can take care of the rest like healing him, giving him extra strength, etc. The risk hasn't been as great as made out to be thanks to Jiraiya, Kakashi, Yamato, and Minato. Until Pain, he never fought alone where there'd actually be risk.
Nooo, Naruto will! Minato will beat Hashirama with a new jutsu his fans made up, but Naruto will speedblitz him in one shot!
Naruto did actually beat Minato in the last tournament. And somehow Minato beat Itachi, which proves there's more Minato fans than Itachi fans. And more Jiraiya fans than Sasuke fans, who still can't come up with a legit reason why Jiraiya would beat Mangekyo Sasuke.
Other than the ridiculous hair argument.