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You're right, bonds that Naruto made himself. why should he be discredited for that? It could have easily gone the opposite direction. Kakashi would not have been able to do Jack squat if it wasn't for Jiraiya and it took the latter 12 years to even be a factor in Naruto's life.
Once again, it's not free due to the crap that came with it just being sealed inside him, before it even started benefiting him. Just because it doesn't appear as severe as gaara's situation because Naruto was able to overcome it due to the bonds that he made, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be counted. If you don't want to count that just because it doesn't seem to have any baring on battles then, ok. The Rinnegan is Nagato's power though, because it used his chakra and he needed to train and master it. Training that we didn't see for the Rinnegan standards which is all he used outside of flashbacks. Basically, credit should be given because his chakra is a battery for the eyes. Also yamato is less of a factor if Naruto doesn't have Hashirama's neckless, which was around tsunades neck, who didn't return to Konoha until 12 years after Naruto's birth.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; October 01, 2012 at 04:48 PM.
I'd be willing to put my money on the Gaikage
Hair argument notwithstanding, Sage Jiraiya isn't that far behind.
Just like Yondaime isn't far behind Itachi, expecially without complete info on Itachi's part
Still kidding aside, can't it be done?
IF done right, I don't think there will be problems like in the past, just underline the right set of rules.
I caught a glimpse at the One Piece tournament, its very well done
NO!Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
Never again. I'll never be apart of another Naruto tournament. Not on MH.
Get Naruto mad? Ohnoez, Kyuubi will help him out for free! Bring Naruto close to death? Whoa, the Kyuubi's gonna pulverize you for that! I don't understand why anyone thinks it's not a free powerup when Naruto himself doesn't have to work for it at all.
Irony here is, I hate Nagato and like Naruto... Part I Naruto anyway.
In my opinion, the rules would have to be pretty limiting for it it to work. Even then, people will complain. I find it hard to believe that it'll be smooth this time around when before, there wre arguments when it came to Sasuke and Jiraiya. Funnily, Jiraiya got beaten easily whereas Sasuke would have stood a better chance. I can see Naruto winning again.
You forget that it's a giant popularity contest. Even if Minato and Jiraiya fought eachother in the first round their fans will come to a consensus becuase everyone that's a Minato fan is a Jiraiya fan. No discussion would come from it. There's no point, lol.
All jokes aside, debate skills<<fandom. People will vote for who they want to win, not who should win.
People will probably say Minato beats Jiraiya because of Hiraishin and speed.
Someone even voted against Orochimaru because they hated him, if I recall. I also remember voting for Jiraiya against kakuzu just because fanboy in me told me Jiraiya would win.
Well every tournament in every forum is more of a popularity contest than everything, yet it can be made with rules that would discourage a victory made only on popularity:
-letting the votes count only for half the winning, while the debating counts for another half.
Itachi gets 120 votes, Yondaime gets 140, yet Itachi's debaters were way more convincing and overall better, a mod then would give the win to Itachi.
The opposite would be true as well.
-making feat battles, example:
to go together with the votes.
There are many ways for it to work.
This would also limit the most hyped one, Hashirama, to breeze through the tournament
Yeah I see your point then
Oh trust me, I know exactly what you mean. Nagato was my favorite member of the organization, right behind Sasori. however, as time went on Kishimoto made him look more and more like a bitch. It was not until the revelation of madara's Rinnegan that he stripped him of all credibility. Oh it was bad enough that his resolve could be swayed like it was, but then Kishimoto turned him into an absolute tool with the Kabuto incident. So basically, all he's left with in terms of credit is the utilization of Madara Uchiha's eyes. (Until stated or shown otherwise) that's crap, complete and utter crap. Oh, but credit should be given because it requires his chakra.… Sure okay. I could understand if each technique took a heavy toll. However, it took him in a while and a bunch of jutsu, broken jutsu, to get where he ended up.
Even if the fox is considered a free power because it presented no noticeable detrimental effects during battle, Naruto still had to suffer for just having it lock away. the fact that he overcame that suffering doesn't take away anything. And there were also risk beyond that we've already discussed. Even if the fox is to be considered a completely free power up, Naruto has skills and abilities beyond that. He also isn't a total pawn like Nagato was.
Last edited by KiSwordsman; October 02, 2012 at 05:33 AM.
This guy saw Amaterasu coming and was still unable to go intangible. I mean, he noticed Sasukes 3 tomoe Sharingan turning MS, thought how impossible this is and couldn't do shit against it.
- can't run away
- can't throw the whole Akatsuki at Itachi
- uses a Sharingan in his left eye socket
- can't use his stock of minimum 104 Sharingans for Izanagi
The first requirement for a Naruto tournament is to see where the manga will head...I would give some more time for people to show their abilities to the fullest, and then organize one...
Then there's something called variety...the format of another Naruto tournament won't be the same as the last tournament...I say keeping things new and interesting is the way to go...this also means somehow introducing more weight to the debate as well...
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