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Translations: Gintama 510 (2)
I'm not sure one can feel regret without having an exact reason. A general feeling would be detain. It's moot because feeling overall regret towards Kakashi would mean feeling regret towards being rescued and thus his own life, which wouldn't have changed anything that happen to Rin.
But don't forget, that Obito clearly wasn't all that apathetic considering he attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi and specifically targeted Minato, for no discernible reason other then his own desire to. There was no point in him doing so for any other reason, and in fact it went against their future plans.
this, Obito has an inkling that his "peace" isn't really peace. His way of thinking is flawed but I don't see how he believes that has a right to carry out his end goals.
His reason for regret is the fact that Kakashi not only didn't fulfill his promise, but he was the one to kill Rin. We are on the same page in regard to him trusting Kakashi with Rins safety. However, just because he was unaware that the sharingan completed Chidori doesn't mean that he couldn't regret giving it to Kakashi due to that. How is that not an exact reason? Just because he was unaware?
So you're saying that it's moot because Kakashi has one up on Obito in the life saving department, Like he owed him anyway, so it doesn't count?
How is that relevant regarding his relationship with Kakashi?
Last edited by KiSwordsman; December 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM.
Well yeah. You can't regret something you don't know about, unlike the whole promise issue. And it's not that Kakashi has one up over him, but regretting Kakashi's "actions" would include regretting his own survival and I don't think Obito's at the self-loathing point.
His actions were done due to Minato not being there to protect Rin, which shows he's not apathetic towards that event.
Not exactly fine, considering that Nagato and Yahiko did have wounds, no? And they did state how they lost their friends throughout the rebellion as well.
Well they choose to become revolutionaries, which means wounds would have been expected, and they seem to have been doing a good job of it til Hanzo tricked them. They had become well-known to the world at large and inspired enough fear/caution in the greater nations to cause Konoha to partner up with Ame against them.
Regretting ones own actions for someone is different than regretting something you have no knowledge of. The whole regret argument anyway was a branch off of the whole who unlocked the Mangekyo for whom argument. We could all see that Obito unlocked the Mangekyo for himself and there are many other factor besides regret.
You originally argued that Nagato's apathy (in regard to his query of Yahiko) toward Jiraiya didn't mean he felt regret. Nagato's relationship with Jiraiya and Obito's relationship with Kakashi are two different things. yes, they shared similarities. However, the circumstances surrounding and within each relationship are different. Nagato took a number years and still didn't have any traumatic events with in the relationship in regard to the two of them. Even still their relationship was not at all the same as the ladder's.' Obito took 10-15 minutes. That's including the time he spent slaughtering those mist anbu. which, in all honesty, is being generous.Quote:
That's an assumption and that's also speaking of the event not his relationship with Kakashi.
Given what we were shown via Sasuke and Itachi, MS would potentially be awaken by any strong emotion. Itachi expected Sasuke to gain MS with his "defeat". In that situation, Sasuke would never have had reason to feel any regret without knowing the truth and manipulated to feel nothing but hatred towards him. Then there's the situation with Madara and Izuna, who awoke theirs without hurting each other. And Itachi seem more about guilt then anything else with Shisui.
It's an inference given how we were shown Obito having a flashback involving Minato about becoming Hokage right before we went to the events of the Kyuubi Invasion. It's the only reasoning that makes a bit of sense.
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That doesn't change the fact that it's an assumption, and it's still has to do with the event, not his relationship with Kakashi.
We have both evidence pointing towards it and no other explanation for said event, and it establishes that Obito wasn't so unfeeling about Rin's death as he made it seem.
A fight is also a form of training/practice/effort, the only difference being that it's more intense and dangerous.
This had nothing to do with the seals. I don't say he broke ET with his willpower, I'm saying that he put his soul back in ET state with just willpower.
Sasuke's hatred determines his willpower, the more hatred he feels the stronger he/his willpower gets.
Even if he saw the Kage Bunshins before, he was still able to pinpoint both of them with kunais at the same spot without the help of his eyes.
The fifth example proves that he couldn't see anything, otherwise his statement that he feels the Hydra Jutsu wouldn't make sense.
[tora-chan] - "Itachi: This feeling... It must be Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu... "
[HisshouBuraiKen] - "Itachi: I know this feeling...Orochimaru's Hydra Technique... (Yamata no jutsu)"
[cnet128] - "Itachi: This sensation... Orochimaru's Yamata no Jutsu..."
Seriously, it makes absolutely no sense to say something like this, even if he could see a little bit.
It's a discussion thread, so feel free to share your thoughts and opinions, even if you don't agree with others/my opinion! No big deal.
But it seems that you misunderstood the subject of our (ninjabot, Rikudou King and me) discussion. Furthermore I also got the impression that you think I'm trying to downgrade Itachi, which is absolutely not the case (though, it could be because of my crap english skills).
The discussion started with my reply to ninjabot's post way before. That's why I will keep my reply short, since your points have no relation to the actual discussion subject.
- There was never a discussion about how Sasuke was able to shape Amaterasu, the discussion was about if he got the shaping skills instantly after gaining MS or did he improve his Amaterasu controlling skills over time.
- I'm not judging Itachi from his single fight against Sasuke. I know that Itachi was holding back, not going for the kill and on his deathbed. The issue was that Itachi went blind in his first MS fight after having such a vision. The point was if Sasuke could handle a MS fight after having the same vision like Itachi, which I replied that I don't believe that he could do this.
- In my opinion Itachi will always be the better ninja and he is still stronger than Sasuke (that is going to change though).
Itachi notices Naruto (#4) & Sasuke (#1, #2) behind his back, which has nothing to do with a 180 degree vision. The likes of Fugaku (advantageous position) and Kisame (same position) couldn't do the same and were even suprised. In #2 Itachi didn't have the crow with Shisuis Sharingan, I should also add that your theory is really far fetched and Kishi never hinted something like that. Itachi has extraordinary senses and showed that he can pinpoint people without the sense of sight.
Last edited by syx; December 18, 2012 at 11:01 AM.
Which doesn't have little to do with his Susanoo changing and that breaking him free.
Nagato felt out Amaterasu and he could see. Anyway, Itachi's words seem like simple acknowledgement of the specific technique, one he seemingly experience before, else it would have made more sense to simply mention Orochimaru himself as oppose to the technique.
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