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Thread: Bakuman Vol. 19 (Chapter 161 - 169) Discussion

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    Bakuman Bakuman Vol. 19 (Chapter 161 - 169) Discussion

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    spoiler summarySource: MH
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    Page 161: A breather and a party

    Hattori tells Ashirogi not to worry as both Reversi and Zombie Gun are selling well, just that Zombie Gun is selling absurdly well. Hattori says that he, too, is wondering about why such a great disparity exists, but says that he'll leave that discussion to the next time they meet. Saikou agrees with Hattori that they shouldn't be too concerned, and just make Reversi as enjoyable as they can, until the very end. Saikou notes that in TRAP and PCP's cases, the core concept never changed, and as a result the series got more and more popular, and says that as long as they continue writing REVERSI in the same way, all that matters is that by the very end, they've beaten Zombie Gun.


    Oops, only managed to read the first 2 pages and have to rush off now Will continue later.

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    Now you've just left me wondering what else occurs this week.

    Considering that Reversi is at least slightly more popular, there's no explanation for such a massive gap in sales. Maybe Yuujirou will make some revelation this chapter about why Zombie Gun sells so much better. I'm going for the explanation of Word of God.

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    .... pfft suddenly i feel like they are comparing Deathnote and One Piece sales.
    I mean, most of WSJ titles sells very well for manga standard. But a manga called One Piece sells astronomically well that it dwarves all of those best sellers. I read somewhere that OP's sales even exceeded those of Harry Potter... if anyone can confirm this.

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by R4n View Post
    .... pfft suddenly i feel like they are comparing Deathnote and One Piece sales.
    I mean, most of WSJ titles sells very well for manga standard. But a manga called One Piece sells astronomically well that it dwarves all of those best sellers. I read somewhere that OP's sales even exceeded those of Harry Potter... if anyone can confirm this.
    OP's sales exceeded Harry Potter only in Japan if I remember well. The funny thing about Reversi's sale is that that despite being based on Death Note, it does not mirror Death Note's sale. If the data posted by Zeromcd in the TOC thread is true, Death Note is the only manga to have more than 1 million printed before its second volume was released.

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    chapter 161 ch scan
    credits jojo & http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=48537970
    full scan here

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Spoiler Thread

    Sorry everyone, I severely overestimated my speedreading/speedtranslating skills this morning. Anyway, here's the rest

    spoiler summarySource: MH
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    Page 161: A breather and a party

    Hattori tells Ashirogi not to worry as both Reversi and Zombie Gun are selling well, just that Zombie Gun is selling absurdly well. Hattori says that he, too, is wondering about why such a great disparity exists, but says that he'll leave that discussion to the next time they meet. They meet on Friday, and Hattori says that the reason why Zombie Gun is selling so much is because it's byy Niizuma Eiji, the mangaka of CROW, the long-time JUMP flagship, and there are many who would buy the volumes even if they don't buy JUMP, jut because it's his new manga. Shuujin points out that there are many people who don't buy the magazine but just the volumes, and that while CROW typically sells 1.5million a volume, PCP sells 500k at most. Shuujin says that it can't be help, but Saikou disagrees. Saikou reminds Shuujin of how he said that a flagship manga should at least sell 1million/vol. Shuujin says that he meant that for series that are a little more established and have more than one volume published. Saikou reminds them their goal is to become the real top, defeating Eiji and Zombie Gun. Hattori agrees, saying that they should aim to be the top in both the Jump questionnaires and volume sales., and says that he believes that with REVERSI, they stand a good chance of getting far in terms of both these goals.

    The issue is that while they're doing well on the questionnaires and the volumes are selling, it's not selling as well as Zombie Gun. Nevertheless, they must make sure they don't get hasty and make a big mistake instead. Saikou points out that Shuujin's stories get more interesting the more you read them, thus making for the kind of manga that are actually better read in batches (volumes), which was the reason why TRAP and PCP were republished more bit by bit. They also discuss how REVERSI is popular among the average age group of the JUMP readership, but has less popularity among the girls compared to Zombie Gun, and the content is too difficult for kids. Hattori suggests they try and make the explanations less complex and try to use less difficult vocabulary. However Shuujin thinks that's a bit difficult as difficult words are cooler, so Hattori says to dumb it down but not to the point of changing the flavour of the manga all together. Shuujin suggests having a mascot character, something they can use to draw omake pages with to entice people to buy the volumes. Saikou suggests having breather chapters, less serious chapters in between the heavier chapters, which can also be used to develop the characters further, something like the stand-alone chapters that aren't stand-alones.

    Meanwhile Yuujirou is rejoicing at Eiji's, thinking that at this rate it's possible to even hit 4million per volume. Eiji states matter-of-factly, "it's impossible". Yuujirou asks Eiji why he thinks Zombie Gun is selling better than REVERSI, and Eiji says it's because each chapter of Zombie Gun is in and of itself a good read. Yuujirou concludes that this makes Zombie Gun more interesting to read as a volume, but Eiji disagrees. Yuujirou repeats the question and Eiji gets irritated.

    Shuujin is taking notes, thinking that by taking note of and correcting these minor details, it will all pay off, though whether or not they can catch up to Zombie Gun's flying start is a different story altogether. Saikou agrees with Hattori that they shouldn't be too concerned, and just make Reversi as enjoyable as they can, until the very end. Saikou notes that in TRAP and PCP's cases, the core concept never changed, and as a result the series got more and more popular, and says that as long as they continue writing REVERSI in the same way, all that matters is that by the very end, they've beaten Zombie Gun.

    The next day, the female assistant (Katou) has a request for Ashirogi. Her friend wants Ashirogi to help get an invitation for the joint party for the two big awards - Tezuka Award and Akatsuka Award. Ashirogi has been invited every year since getting serialized, but they've never attended because the year end period is rather busy. Saikou rummages for the invitation card, and says that he thinks that as long as you have the invitation card, you can bring as many friends as you like with you. The head assistant has been to the party twice in the past, and he tells them how grand the party is and etc. The male assistant with long hair (Moriya) thinks about how Hattori didn't seem to like his latest manuscript much but still helped him submit it for the Tezuka Award anyway, though he hasn't received any news so far. The editor of Three had also told him it was too "dark," which probably explained that result.

    Saikou points out that since Eiji is a judge for the Tezuka Awards, he would definitely be there. Saikou suggests going, even if it means that they have to delay their deadlines a little. The head assistant says he has to go to work at Three so he'll pass on the party. The other 3 assistants, as well as Katou's friend and Kaya will be going to the party with Ashirogi. Katou's friend's name is Kitami Ririka, and she's a budding seiyuu. She smiles at Saikou. Seeing the displays of the winning pieces on the walls, Moriya understands why he lost, though he's still sad that he didn't even get into the final selection.

    The group kinda inadvertently splits up, and Saikou, Katou and Ririka are left alone together. Ririka asks Saikou if he has a girlfriend. Saikou gives a sort of vague reply, "well...". Katou tells Ririka that Saikou's girlfriend is the super popular seiyuu Azuki Miho, and Saikou is a little embarrassed and asks Katou not to tell anyone that. Ririka is surprised that Saikou is Azukyun's boyfriend, then says she thinks they'll be the couple of the century and that she feels like leaving (which she does). Saikou then talks to Takahama, and the topic of Eiji comes up.

    Meanwhile Eiji is in the middle of a mob of people, who seem to be representatives of various animation studios, who are trying to fight to animate Zombie Gun after the CROW anime ends in the summer. Eiji is wearing a ribbon (prize ribbon) on his head that says "Tezuka Award Judge, Niizuma Eiji". Saikou wonders if they will be able to ever beat Eiji and Zombie Gun. Shuujin appears just then and says that it must be because of Eiji's reputation once again. Shuujin says they have to make REVERSI their big hit so they can match up in terms of reputation.

    Eiji leaps up upon seeing Ashirogi, "LONG TIME NO BLEACH!" (his usual) He tells them how REVERSI is ultra interesting, and how he's been losing in the questionnaires week after week, especially as of late, but declares that he will rise above them in the questionnaires, and will also definitely not lose to them in volume sales. Eiji says he'll see them again at the new year's party.

    Saikou is happy that they came for the party because he got to hear Eiji's declaration that he wouldn't lose to them, particularly with regards to volume sales, which Eiji was already leading in. Saikou was also happy to hear that Eiji thought REVERSI was ultra interesting "especially as of late". This shows that even Eiji knows that at this rate, REVERSI could overtake Zombie Gun and turn the tables. Ashirogi declare that they will close the gap between them and Eiji.

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    Bakuman Bakuman 162 Discussion / 163 Predictions

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    This chapter was kinda weird.
    I know there were chapters like this before but even so. It was like running at full speed then hit a brick wall head on.
    Ashirogi finally on pair with Eiji on the questionnaires, and now this. Totally broke the story's momentum.
    The only thing that this chapter was good for is to know there is a party for the Tezuka and Akatsuka Award. (And sorry to say that, but right now, who cares?)

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    i felt the same way last chapters were very fast paced and and suddenly this,
    to me the sales thing is only a diversion for the girl who happens to work on anime seiyu(they put a huge picture of her to remember her)
    She will have somesort of interaction with azuki and get her jealous or worse

    And the endng its obvious they're going to kill one of their protagonist/antagonist (thats how they wilreach the onemillion mark)

    oba realise he had to divide the atention from only one person just like near and mello that's why mello is the secret hero in the end .
    by the way i find it curious mashiro mentioned ashita no joe as his favorite manga cause ,death note and ashita resemble in
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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    The most interesting thing about the chapter imo, was definitely this Ririka character. She didn't actually do much in the chapter, but it's almost definite that she will be a pretty big feature in chapters to come. I'm really curious, of course, as to just how. Her smile at Saikou and her obvious show of displeasure when Katou told her that Saikou was already attached, made it clear that she has her eyes on Saikou. She probably knows Azuki personally or will rub shoulders with her sooner or later since they're both in the same industry. I predict that we will see her dropping in to "visit Katou" at the studio, then perhaps dropping some "casual mention" to Azuki thereafter. I believe there is a certain level of trust between Azuki and Saikou, but who knows, Ririka could really mess things up if she wanted to. She sure looks like she could.

    As a SaikouxAzuki fan, I'm excited at the prospect of possibly seeing more interaction between them that doesn't involve their cellphones

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    I agree, I'm excited to see more Azuki...

    But I hope Ririka won't become one of those super annoying love "rival" characters who tries to break them up or anything...

    I mean, it might make for an interesting story, but personally, I'd rather not see it happen... XD

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    i am very amused because this chapter talks about the necessity of 'breather chapter', and guess what this chapter actually is?
    and it actually not really a filler chapter because it introduces some possible story developments. (aka Ririka)
    I see what you did there, Ohba+Obataaa =p

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    Re: Bakuman 161 Discussion / 162 Predictions

    This chapter was pretty good, i really liked the introduction of Ririka, it might not be plain sailing for Azuki and Mashiro from now on! Hopefully she will pop up again, it might give Azuki some more screen time too. Hopefully Ririka will be to Azuki what Eiji is to Mashiro, a rival! Haaha, it'd be interesting to see.

    This may be a bit off topic also, but i wonder if Ohba and Obata will show Hirimaru and Aoki Ko's wedding in the Manga, or whether that'll be off screen? Also Does the sound of Zombie Gun kind of remind anybody of Kore Ha Zombie Desu Ka?


    This must be how Anti-Obito Theorists felt when Kishimoto revealed Tobi as Obito.

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