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Translations: Gintama 515 by kewl0210
Well the only sure thing is that Rachel definitely is an irregular because Headon clearly states that she was not chosen by the tower. He further refers to Baam as "Our Guest has arrived", I do not know if that means he wasn't chosen as well :/ only thing that irritates me is that Headon behaviour to Rachel is completely different to the way he acted around Baam.
My guess is that someone planned for Baam to reach the tower and Rachel was merely there so she got transferred by accident. Or maybe not, Headon seems so wicked that he could very well behave this way to get a certain reaction from Rachel, the same way he manipulated Baam too.
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No,no. She was in some city in the outer tower, Headon appeared before her and teleported her to the inner tower, directely to the second floor.
Only irregular have the option to get tested by the floor guardian right? Koon requested it to the director (always forget her name, the coffee addicted), the director said "only irregulars", then Baam ploclaimed he was an irregular and everyone got surprised....
well I guess it's a given that Baam is an irregular then. Rachel didn't open the door (to the tower) though, that means either Baam opened it unconciously or someone opened it for him and Rachel was dragged along.
I still get the feeling that Rachels betrayal was planned by the higher ups. In chapter 56 the director speaks to himself, saying "A wave big enough to shake the tower is about to form". That alone proves that he/she is not acting like she is supposed to do because the second floor tests are used to wipe out anyone that could be a threat against the tower.
Then in chapter 58 he acts surprised by the fact that Koon wants to take a test from the Guardian and that Baam is an irregular but you can clearly see him smirk when Baam announced it.
In chapter 55 he further states that he will help Ren to get rid of Anak Zahard.
All this makes me believe that he planned to either kill Baam or use him for something else right from the start. I'm pretty sure he worked together with Rachel too.
Took another look at chapter 55.
Koon gets told by the red haired girl (who is working together with Rachel) that Ho is jealous of Baam. Koon then made Quant protect her. This way Rachel and the red haired girl made sure that Ho would attack her but that she would fail at killing her ---> Rachel can pretend to be not able to walk.
Now the message to attack Rachel most likely came from herself or the red haired girl who got informed by the Director that they would be in the same team (Quoting Koon from chap 56 who said "It's as if the culprit knew that Rachel and Ho were going to be on the same team").
So my theory is that all this was already planned before the Hide-and-Seek test even started <___< what do you guys think?
I don't think that the Administartors, who are working in accordance with the Tower's law made by Zahard, would risk their entire existence for an Irregular. I mean these guys, Rankers, Administrator etc. have been portrayed as being 'selfish', who tossed other people whether companion or opponent out of the competition just for one simple reason to climb to the top of the Tower.
I'm also looking forward to the development as to when she decided to get rid of Baam. But my gut feeling tells me, that her decision is somehow related to her dream. IIRC in that very dream, she climbed to the top of the Tower and reached the stars whereas Baam did the same but with a difference. The difference was that she tossed everyone that is dear to her, whereas Baam decided to keep them and Lahel/Rachel wasn't among Baam's dearest.
It seems like Baam did open the door to the tower not once but twice!! So I'd think, he first opened it unconciously and later decided to follow Lahel and opened it conciously. So by definition he is indeed an Irregular but the question still remains, what the hell is then Lahel/Rachel??
No, I think that Lahel's betrayal was her method to stay under Zahard's radar. I mean, the regulars consists of an not acknowledged Zahard princess, Anak, the two Irregulars, Baam and Akryung. Lahel, doesn't fall under any category due to her not being a 'true regular'. IMO she took the opportunity to not get the attention of Zahard due to her own circumstance.
It could also be that Headon might be working with Yu Hansung or rather using him. In order to let Lahel/Rachel climb to the top of the Tower and cause an uproar there that might shake the Tower itself due to her being rejected by the Tower itself. I for one know, that the story will get even better from this point onwards.
Last edited by Host Samurai; December 23, 2011 at 03:49 AM.
Going by these past few chapters, it's clear that Lahel is not as nice as she seems. Between participating in that slaughter that killed 130 testees, Androssi's comments on her personality, and Headon's assessment this chapter, Lahel is far more ruthless than she appears. Only in Baam's presence does her good-side show. Lahel is a mother-figure to Baam and its even possible she harbored undefined romantic feelings towards him. Yet the current situation between the two forced her hand. I am going to play devil's advocate here against people screaming outrage over Lahel's actions, which to be honest are justified.
Looking at this flashback, however, its becoming clear that Lahel probably rationalizes her actions as a "necessary evil". Baam has gotten himself nearly killed on several occassions as he climbed the Tower because of Lahel and Lahel is clearly worried and fearful that Baam will actually die because of her. Keep in mind too that Baam being an Irregular is common knowledge now and that the higher-ups will do everything in their power to remove him. That would mean Baam as well as several other people in the party would get killed if their actions succeeded. With Baam "dead" now, however, a fresh slot has been given to Lahel and everyone else.
The flashback also hasn't ended. Lahel pushing Baam out of the bubble is clearly a last-minute plan. It's very well possible that she made hasty arrangements for Baam's survival and her parting words for Baam are to persuade Baam to quit looking for her. All of this was to give Baam a fresh-start as well as Lahel no longer having to wrestle with the prospect of Baam's death on her conscience.
On a side note, I suspect her motives also tie in to jealously. For Baam to succeed where she failed and acquiring friends along the way. It was commented repeatedly that Baam "shines" and that some people cannot stand to be in his presence without being overwhelmed by envy, fear, etc. Lahel once had a dream of seeing the stars and invited Baam to come to her side... Only for Baam to ignore her because of his comrades. Jealously and her heightened fear of losing Baam pushed her to "kill" Baam.
So i suppose she has been having some sort of trauma and did what she did
i understand it but i dont sympathies it, its a nasty and a horrendous thing to do what she did and she has no guilt painted on her.
she lied blatantly then she pretended to faint to get ppls support and show how hurt she is. later she seemed to be totally fine apart from being 'tired'
Welcome to the ToG fanbase Frankie!
Interesting thought that Baam is a irregular and regular at the same time. That is the explanation that makes more sense...
@Eros and shaheer: I finally got my christmas present that is my new signature^^. Now the three Musketeers promoting ToG is complete.
Last edited by Host Samurai; December 24, 2011 at 08:52 AM.
Great! First step is win the best manhwa awaed, then give Charlie and phio more work by earning a forum! Muahahahahaha (evil laugh)
hehehe well not to forget Naruto we can annoy Niichan for the sub, the manhwa awards will be tough esp against Breaker.
@host 3 muskeeters it is
Interesting how the artwork has been changed over time, personally, I actually like more baam design from the beginning, the artwork is more raw, less refined, more original, thats the way i would describe it.
Now it is more shounen-ish.
About the plot, I have no doubts that Baam is an Irregular, there shouldn't be any.
But i'm a bit confused about Lahel being one or not. Actually I believe that Lahel in order to go to the next floor she did arrange an agreement about dispose of Baam in order to proceed in the climb of the tower.
Now (unlike in the previous chapter), i'm interested in what the author has saved for us. I'm really intrigued now! Can't wait.
nother new member in TOG FC welcome man
as for the next chap ya we are all intrigued esp since the epilogue will last till 78 nd then its rumored that author will take a break
how long is a question yet to be answered.
So we are expecting Baams conditions to be revealed soon, i mean b4 season 2 starts
I'm not new fan of TOG, post number #102 on this thread was my first.