Bleach 479 Discussion

[Shiro Tsuki]

The chapter was an improvement! (That's the best you can say...!)

A funny Ichigo entering SS - Did he actually returned to SS after the whole 'Saving Rukia' thing? (ignoring fillers/movies)
It was nice to see the vaizards (albeit just 3 of em) - But that was enough to save the chapter!

Asking for Ginjo's body is exactly what Ichigo would do!
That's him being himself...(he did kill the man eh? 0_o)
And NO! I really don't want a background story on how hard Ginjo had it...
He was a jerk who made Ichigo cry!
There is no forgiving that!

I guess Riruka just went away - If you think she is dead, i'd say you haven't been reading bleach for long...

What's frustrating for me is that - after every week - I convince myself that we are done with the arc...
...and Kubo drags it further!!

[joshua019]

SS probably change the rules regarding visards or may be they're hollow side is removed by urahara at some point!

[Zan2pacto]

Does anyone else think Kubo may be taking a break because either (1) hes out of ideas or (2) his editors (or whatever a mangaka's bosses are called) think that his manga is kinda turning to crap and told him to take a break to sort things out?

After that last arc, no more fights would make sense and here's why:

Ichigo is now super-strong again. He appears to have his shinigama powers back which were pretty boss to begin with. It also looks like he has some kind of fullbring power as well.

Aizen is gone and defeated. PRESUMABLY all of the captains/viazard/uruhara/isshin etc brought their BEST GAME to the table when fighting Aizen.

Any new enemy is going to have to be stronger than Aizen or it won't be a challenge from Ichigo. With this new enemy, none of the captains will stand a chance and there is no way they will be able to up their powers (without it seeming totally stupid) to confront this enemy. Kubo will look pretty silly if he allows all the shinigami to get a power boost after they had a HUNDRED years to prepare for Aizen and couldn't surpass that level while pulling every trick they had out of the bag.

So there are only a few logical directions left all of which seem pretty lame and have their own problems:

(1) - Something happens with the Royal Guard. Ichigo needs to go up there and do something important and fight some super-strong enemy. We will be introduced to a whole new class of captain etc who will be super-strong and it will be like ichigo breaking into soul society again with the same "zomg this is a vice-captain---captain is 100000x stronger just run away"

The biggest problem that I see with this scenario is that the captains in the gotei will get sidelined. There is no way for them to compete. Also any Bankais we havn't seen will seem silly to bring out now since they should have been used in the all-out battle with Aizen unless they are some stupid hax ability that will only be useful in a certain situation.

The other problem is that if these people in the royal guard are strong enough to be able to pose a threat to Ichigo, then why the hell didn't they just come out and curb-stomp Aizen? Going to need some serious plot-fixing there.

(2) - hell arc? I don't even know what to say about this. same problem as before- captains will get sidelined or seem stupid

(3) - some kind of truth quest, one where Ichigo needs to go find out the truth about his dad, or figure out what his real powers are etc, or we find out that ichigo's powers aren't up to full and he needs to go find out how to get back to full power. This type of arc would mean that ichigo's power level may not matter, but it will seem out of place in a shonen manga where increasing power level is usually the way to go.

anyway thats just some thoughts. i think kubo is really in a pickle at the moment in terms of plot. To me it feels like everything in bleach is resolved now. if the manga were just "over" it wouldn't bother me.

[Quantized]

Let me get this straight..
The murderer is actually going to bury the victim?
Oh..
well, I guess this is special cir-
No, it doesn't feels right
I mean, I know that this is because but I don't know why what..

never mind.. moving on.
I was starting to like riruka too..but I'm actually glad, just a little, that she's not going to be in the storyline for along time.

That aside, the vizards, awesoooome and is it just me or is Shinji giving off the "SS" vibes, like..shady vibes or something.
Haha, kyoraku and ukitake's speech had no point at all. I don't think Ichigo grew at all, in fact I liked him way better
before soul society and during soul society, but it seems that their opinion differs from mine.
WHERE IS MY RUKIA?!
Soi Fon looks good.

I really think it would be better if ichigo went to soul society to tell them that he is going to become an official shinigami
to repay them for his powers. That would be great but...I don't know, I guess he'll continue being a sub without rukia
I'm sorry but Ginjou is not a memorable character(not as much as tsukisama) and I don't think I'll miss him, so that cover
page was..meh. I'm sorry to ginjou fans.

And with that, here comes the new arc in 3 weeks. I look forward to a fresh new bleach, this time without the paranormal
and crazy strawberry.

Honestly though, I think Soul Society still owes Ichigo a big one, even giving him back his powers or changing their zillion year old rules because of him isn't enough, tbh.
He saved the world, or rather, he saved Soul Society, since I doubt Aizen could take down the Royal realm considering Ichigo still has ways to go and he easily beat Aizen.
A small thing like giving his powers back when they failed to do their job and he had to step in and do it for them, wasn't enough, he even lost his powers "because of them, that they failed."
But it's out of picture to ask for more, except for what Ichigo is doing in the current chapter, which is still humble.

Soul Society is wrong in many ways, Ichigo is improving it, and by that, he's much more a shinigami than ANY of the current shinigamis.
Yama's contribution to the shinigami world is possible great as well though, Shinigami academy, protecting SS etc.

So the only thing that makes Ichigo a sub shinigami now is that he didn't gratuate from the shinigami academy and the fact he didn't die.
Can you really consider Ichigo a sub just because he didn't die and proved himself more worthy than atleast 99% of all shinigami's already?

I have to decline that
But I agree Ichigo was more badass in SS arc though Lets hope Kubo can change that..

SS probably change the rules regarding visards or may be they're hollow side is removed by urahara at some point!

Think it's likely the rules was changed, and they can thank Ichigo for it, since apparently the rules has been set in stone for a, very, very, veeeeeery long time acording to Rukia a few chapters back... So allowing the Vizards back after trying to kill them 100 years earlier despite their innocence which has always been clear (they were seen as victims by SS from the beginning), then to me, it's pretty certain Ichigo was the one affecting this change indirectly

[Zan2pacto]

everyone (including kubo) seems to forget that the rule-making body was killed. of course the rules have changed - the rule makers were dead and had to be replaced.

[The Newbie.]

everyone (including kubo) seems to forget that the rule-making body was killed. of course the rules have changed - the rule makers were dead and had to be replaced.

The C46 wise men are chosen because they are trusted to keep order and judge everything that could harm SS. They never had rules, they just do whatever they feel is necesary for the greater good.

[mattiaildivino]

Shunpo, says it all, imho.
Even if it's for Shinigami's, it's basically the same for Hollows, Humans and Quincy in the end.. http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Hoh%C5%8D

http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/44013055/20
Notice the focus on her foot, it's always like this when we see fast movements in Bleach, secondly, you see a trail of her jumping as you usually do from fullbring.. Hope this helps, she is extremely unlikely dead

ah ok,I wonder whether we will see her again,or,as the title says,xcution won't appear anymore...

[kkck]

Interesting chapter, a lot of revelations in many forms.

The first thing which I couldn't help but wonder is exactly how ichigo got to SS. Can he open senkaimon on his own? He would still have to go through the precipice thingy since there is no reason for him to have a hell butterfly. It does not quite seem like urahara had anything to do with him being there for the most part either.

Then there is the vizard thingy. To be honest I was mildly disappointed by this development. Quite frankly it is not quite the direction I was expecting with the vizards. I guess once their innocence regarding hollowification and aizen was proven the rules were twicked a little to allow them to remain in SS. I wonder if there are any particular rules regarding using their hollow powers. I could see SS forbidding them from using them. It would be consistent with the idea of not having random members wanting hollow powers for themselves... As for the development of the vizards, I was expecting them to kinda have their own goals aside from SS once aizen was dealt with. I was even expecting them to have a mildly antagonistic role in the future against SS with ichigo caught right in the middle. It is good to see shinji, kensei and rose with their own divisions though, I guess it makes sense if the vizards developed no objectives of their own during the last 100 years. I wonder what happened to love though, his division is being taken care of by komamura.

Now, the question that remains is what exactly happened to hisagi, iba and momo and nanao. Hiyori, liza and mashiro would quite literally mop the floor with them and that perhaps does not even consider the mask detail. Love would obviously be a better VC candidate than iba to say the very least. If the captains actually choose their seated officers it would not be strange to have them relegated to third seats for hiyori, liza and mashiro, at least that is what would make sense powerwise and obviously the vizards are closer to them than to some brats who came along some 40 years ago. I guess it would be kinda fun to see them demoted in favor of the more powerful vizards. In the 13th division the third seat is shared by a couple of dudes though, perhaps we will have a similar situation now....

Anyone noticed shinji is still wearing a tie?

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The C46 wise men are chosen because they are trusted to keep order and judge everything that could harm SS. They never had rules, they just do whatever they feel is necesary for the greater good.

Based on what we have seen I would think SS does indeed have rules. Still, the C46 does seem to have a lot of power and the last word over everything (although I have my doubts about them being allowed to act arbitrarily).

[Exodi]

Anyone noticed shinji is still wearing a tie?

That was the highlight of the chapter for me. [/jk]

[danzouismadara]

Is it just me or does it seem like SS is treating ichigo like a stranger?? Like they are afraid of him or dont trust him? Anyways I hope ichigo starts whooping some ppl and gaining some respect

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Next chapter is on my bday so that shit better be good.

[jaymizzo]

I actually still hope Ichigo becomes a Captain and develops a "True" Bankai as well as Resureccion

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Any new enemy is going to have to be stronger than Aizen or it won't be a challenge from Ichigo. With this new enemy, none of the captains will stand a chance and there is no way they will be able to up their powers (without it seeming totally stupid) to confront this enemy. Kubo will look pretty silly if he allows all the shinigami to get a power boost after they had a HUNDRED years to prepare for Aizen and couldn't surpass that level while pulling every trick they had out of the bag.

Only the Vizards had that long to prepare themselves for Aizen. The other captains never had that long, and Aizens alone was extremely powerful add to that his haxxed Kyoka suigetsu.. and you have a formula for total anihilation.

It would be retarded if some of the captains get strong all of a sudden, but we have gotten hint that they have been training for the past 17 months (earth time anyway)

[crimsonlink310]

I dunno guys I'm pretty excited to go beyond hax for new villains. I want them to make Aizen seem like an ant. They are after all Death GODS.

I mean Aizen, Baraggan and Orihime are as broken as you can get in terms of powers and ability. So how much more broken ability Kubo will come with for new characters. I can imagine Kyoraku's bankai to be like "Simon Says" lmao.

[yumimi]

I actually still hope Ichigo becomes a Captain and develops a "True" Bankai as well as Resureccion

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Only the Vizards had that long to prepare themselves for Aizen. The other captains never had that long, and Aizens alone was extremely powerful add to that his haxxed Kyoka suigetsu.. and you have a formula for total anihilation.

It would be retarded if some of the captains get strong all of a sudden, but we have gotten hint that they have been training for the past 17 months (earth time anyway)

Well we still have to see most of the captaina bankais._. We've only seen Soi Fon's, Unohana's, Byakuya's, Komamura's and Mayuri's so far. lol ans i would be especially interested in kyouraku's and kisuke's (yes, kisuke isn't a captain but his bankai would be very interesting

[danzouismadara]

Well we still have to see most of the captaina bankais._. We've only seen Soi Fon's, Unohana's, Byakuya's, Komamura's and Mayuri's so far. lol ans i would be especially interested in kyouraku's and kisuke's (yes, kisuke isn't a captain but his bankai would be very interesting

um when did we see unohana's bankai??? we only saw her shikai buddy. we've only seen komamura, byakuya, soi fong, toshiro's, mayuri's, kensei's, tosen's, gin's,

[sarutobi_sensei]

We didn't see Unohana's Bankai, we only saw her Shikai. Yeah Minazuki is not a bankai.

Regarding the next arc, it has to be about the Royal Guards and the King. I'm beginning to think that the 13 Captains will end up fighting the Royal Guards because of something the King will order SS to do.

Btw, the Royal Guards didn't interfere in the matter of Aizen when the SS captains were fighting, because it was not their job.

SS Captains job is to maintain order and protect the balance between souls/human/hollow. And they are like the King's foot Soldiers, like pawns. So they are the ones sent out first into the battlefield. Basically, they are the ones that need to fight any threat that decides to go after the Royal Dimension. Then, the RG are only there to protect the king. If SS should fail, the RG would then intervene and decimate the intruder.

I doubt that Aizen would've been able to defeat the weakest of the RG.

Btw, we're finally going to meet Hikifune! She has to be hax if she got promoted

Hiyori will be pleased

Oh btw, it's actually interesting thinking about this now, because 100 years ago, Aizen knew nothing about the Royal Guards and the Royal Dimension. That's probably when he decided to start searching for ways to get stronger and get into the palace to try and slay the king.