Big Mom Pirates

[eefrit]

Why is she "definitely" not as strong as Shanks or Teach? We haven't even seen her lift a finger, let alone fight. That would be similar to me saying Jinbe isn't as strong as the rest of the Shichibukai when he was still locked up in prison. She is a Yonko, she is at the least, as strong as Shanks and Kaido. If she wasn't, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be a Yonko anymore as Kaido or Teach or some other pirate would have taken her out already.

That being said, from what we have seen of her, she can drool her stomach acid and is most likely a giant. She looks to be larger than Moria. Her crew, as most crews we have been seeing from the New World is really diverse. Another walking animal like Bepo, a long leg tribesman, a three eyed hot girl, and a thing with a paper mask on it's face. Pretty weird, but cool all in all.

On another note, I'm also a believer in the Big Mam= Lola's Mom theory. That might come into play during the course of BM and Luffy's battle(cause I highly doubt they are going to meet in the next couple of arcs), because it could be revealed that the reason Big Mam wants the candy is because she is upset over the disappearance of her daughter.

EDIT: Also, did anyone else notice that above the three eyed girl, there was a jelly like substance on the chair although it wasn't anywhere else in the castle?

[Zehahaha]

I like this type of argument when it says : " If X Pirate isn't strong, he would've been taken out by Y pirate ".
That's implying that actually Teach or Kaido or any other pirate wants to bring her down.

As for the " definitely " from my part, I'm sorry, that's just what I felt from here, she's absolutely not in the league of Shanks and WB. There's absolutely no way that someone like her is as strong as these two, I have and will never have any evidence to back up my claim unless Oda shows us a fight opposing these characters, but I know when a character is stronger than another, especially since Oda's style makes it easy to spot it.

The feeling, I wouldn't say intimidation, that WB and Shanks gave were truly something else, I could easily say they're STRONG. Or more precisely, they're at the TOP. They way Oda draws them, they give a vibe different from any character, the only characters so far from whom I felt such a vibe are WB/Shanks/Mihawk/The admirals. The first time I saw them, I was like " Damn, these guys must be top tier ". Crocodile, Doflamingo, Kuma do give such a vibe too, but not to the extent of those six.

It is all from the introduction, and Oda do put an emphasis on that, heck we can even judge the strenght of a character coming from the introduction.

We have not seen Buggy fight when he encountered Luffy first, but I knew he was weak, same with Mr.3, Foxy...

That's why, I say that she's not at the level of WB/Shanks, but BB or Kaido not sure, I still have mixed feeling towards BB as a character.

[eefrit]

Considering how BB is acting as of now, why wouldn't he want to take her down? But anyway, your "definitely" statement is my only real problem. You can believe that she is not as strong as Shanks and the others if you want, that is your opinion, but stating it as if it were a fact when we have seen nothing that says otherwise for both possibilities, kind of peeved me off. You could be right or I could be right, the fact is we just don't know yet. Hell we could possibly never know.

Long story short, I respect your opinion, I just wish you'd give her a chance to prove herself strong or not.

[Zeltrax]

I already posted in one of the thread but anyway,
I think her powers is something related to gluttony..
My prediction is either the glutton glutton fruit or the candy candy fruit..(sounds weird )

I predict that her powers will be something like turning her opponent to candy or food with a touch or with a specific condition.

[eefrit]

I already posted in one of the thread but anyway,
I think her powers is something related to gluttony..
My prediction is either the glutton glutton fruit or the candy candy fruit..(sounds weird )

I predict that her powers will be something like turning her opponent to candy or food with a touch or with a specific condition.

Ahh, the Majin Buu effect, huh? I can't really see it. That would make her fight with Luffy to easy...unless...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4c-Y8diIBE

[nguqua]

Erm...
Erm...

WG main concern is to keep the balance here. WG cannot control all the seas, especially the NW which seems to be quite different from the first part of the GL. Therefore, they cannot take all the Yonkou out.

But as I said, she's strong, but definitely not strong as Shanks or WB... She looks more like Moria style who back at the Thriller Bark was all hype and talk, and got weaker because he decided to become a lazy retard. And that's how Big Mam looked to me.

I respectfully disagreed. A shichibukai is appointed and relieved of duty by the government. That's why we see someone like Moria still holding the title until the government finally decided to "kick" him out. However, the title of yonkou is not. It's a constant struggle of power. If you are not strong enough than you will lose your title. Being a yonkou in the new world means having lots and lots of powerful enemies who are out to take your head. We can see the example of White Beard having numerous enemies in Impel Down's lowest level.

For Shichibukai, the difference in each individual's power varies greatly. This is because there's no struggle for power between each shichibukai as the titles are given by the WG. However, Yonkou are not appointed by any authority and simply a natural occurences in which great powers begin to draw their boundaries. This requires a fundamental factor in which the powers have to at a equilibrium for the 4 forces to be in balance. If Big Mom is not as strong as the other yonkou, she would have been taken out already or reduced to a level in which her power no longer wields as much influence. This is the simple rule when the powers naturally draw their boundaries and not being monitered by a set system like the Shichibukai.

As for giving the impression of not being powerful for being fat, we can see that Jinbe is fat but very powerful. As for being carefree and vain (obsessed with candies), we learn that the most powerful or potentially powerful people in one piece are carefree and vain, but can turn serious when the situation arises - Garp, Luffy, Shanks.

[xeteboi]

The feeling, I wouldn't say intimidation, that WB and Shanks gave were truly something else, I could easily say they're STRONG. Or more precisely, they're at the TOP. They way Oda draws them, they give a vibe different from any character, the only characters so far from whom I felt such a vibe are WB/Shanks/Mihawk/The admirals. The first time I saw them, I was like " Damn, these guys must be top tier ". Crocodile, Doflamingo, Kuma do give such a vibe too, but not to the extent of those six.

I guess the point of Zehaha here is that BigMom is not as the same feat as WhiteBeared or Shanks and making her the weakest among the Yonkou though that is also my speculation about her..

If Big Mom is not as strong as the other yonkou, she would have been taken out already or reduced to a level in which her power no longer wields as much influence. This is the simple rule when the powers naturally draw their boundaries and not being monitered by a set system like the Shichibukai.

A Yonkou doesnt mean these 4 emperors are equal in power, logically one of them is weaker than the other while another is hightier than the other.. If I rank them with my prediction,.it will be Teach, Shanks, Kaido and Big MOm..

[vagabond87]

Maby she is sugar logia and thats why she loves sweets just like Magellan loved to eat poison. But I remember that on one of movies syrup logia was used...

[Sachsenhesse]

jup the movie with the "ex-admiral" ^^ best movie after strong world so far imho

anyway my thoughts of the power: paramecia sugar sugar no mi(dont know japanese) she can transform every sugar in her body to pure energy, which boost her physical powers to an abnormal status, kinda like gear2x10

we already got a hormonfruit, so it should be possible to transform sugar into energy within a second

[Sakazuki]

For the ones that are saying Big Mom is the weakest of the yonkous, the principle of that group of pirates is that they’re equal somehow, and I interpret this as that their strength is equal.

The only ‘fight’ of yonkous that we have seen so far came from Shanks against Whitebeard and that struggle showed to us how they’re beasts and in equal terms. I can’t expect less from Kaidou and Big Mom.

[Zehahaha]

I respectfully disagreed. A shichibukai is appointed and relieved of duty by the government. That's why we see someone like Moria still holding the title until the government finally decided to "kick" him out. However, the title of yonkou is not. It's a constant struggle of power. If you are not strong enough than you will lose your title. Being a yonkou in the new world means having lots and lots of powerful enemies who are out to take your head. We can see the example of White Beard having numerous enemies in Impel Down's lowest level.

For Shichibukai, the difference in each individual's power varies greatly. This is because there's no struggle for power between each shichibukai as the titles are given by the WG. However, Yonkou are not appointed by any authority and simply a natural occurences in which great powers begin to draw their boundaries. This requires a fundamental factor in which the powers have to at a equilibrium for the 4 forces to be in balance. If Big Mom is not as strong as the other yonkou, she would have been taken out already or reduced to a level in which her power no longer wields as much influence. This is the simple rule when the powers naturally draw their boundaries and not being monitered by a set system like the Shichibukai.

As for giving the impression of not being powerful for being fat, we can see that Jinbe is fat but very powerful. As for being carefree and vain (obsessed with candies), we learn that the most powerful or potentially powerful people in one piece are carefree and vain, but can turn serious when the situation arises - Garp, Luffy, Shanks.

Implying that Yonkou do compete against each other...
We know for a fact that WB wanted a family, not fighting against pirate nor islands. Same with Shanks who wanted to have adventures...
Big Mam only interested in candies, shes doesn't seem the type to attack others and mind her business too.

The Yonkou so far didn't show us anything that may suggest that they're in competition, and it does seems that even Kaidou didn't want the status quo to be broken that's why he tried to stop WB back then, if he wanted to kill WB, he would've waited for the war and kill him the way Teach did.

They have territories, and but they mind their business, heck they're not even interested in achieving the title of Pirate King. The only competition is coming from small crews (Supernovas) who are trying to become PK, and BB didn't do anything that suggests he wants to change the status quo too, as he merely took WB's territories, end of story so far.

It will be again Luffy who will trigger change as he will take down Big Mam which will lead to bigger changes, in the same fashion Crocodile's defeat caused.

When there's no intention of actually competing with each other, we cannot say that they're all equal.
Saying that WB is equal to Big Mam is an insult to him (you'll say we don't know that, but that's my opinion based on hints on Manga, remember Sengoku that WB was at the top, he didn't even say the Yonkou, but he said WB).

If they were equal, might as well finish OP after Luffy's will defeat Big Mam, since that would mean he's in the level of WB and Shanks.

[GiantAlienHamster]

I don’t know if Big Mam is really Lola’s mom. Ok, they’re ugly as the devil, but parenthood is a thing that is somewhat relative in One Piece. Whitebeard pirates called their captain “Pops” and even Ace doesn’t called his biological father by the proper way.
Right know, I can’t see Big Mam been Lola’s mother.

If she would be Lola's mom, then that would mean, that some really, really, really unlucky guy once had sex with her. She probably ate the poor fella after that...
Seriously, Lola's mom has to be someone else.


Anyway...
What is the most interesting for me is actually not Big Mam herself, but the masked guy. He is carrying a huge sword with a special design and it's just as huge as Mihawk's which also had a unique design.
Sooo.... could it be, after sooo many years, that this could be the second Supreme Grade Sword (最上大業物 Saijō Ō Wazamono?) we will get to see?

It was said once, that the most famous swords are all in the hands of powerful pirates and pirate-hunters. This guy is a commander of a yonkou. Him having one of the top 12 swords would make sense.

[xeteboi]

Can I ask where did you got that DRAGON SWORD idea..is it just your given name for the 2nd strongest sword?

[Uriel]

Maby she is sugar logia and thats why she loves sweets just like Magellan loved to eat poison. But I remember that on one of movies syrup logia was used...

Paramecia. They both have a Paramecia.

And it's my belief that Big Mom can't be weak. At all. We're in the New World, one of the four that the WG fears and the reason to create Shichibukai to balance the powers. That means She is strong as hell to keep her territory and strong pirates out of her domain.

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Big Mam isn't weak. She didn't even give me an impresion of a weak person. She is a Yonkou. She might not be the strongest. As I see it and as it was stated in the manga Whitebeard was the strongest man in the World at this time, so he was on top individually. But I see other three Yonkou being more or less equal. Also I don't think that the difference between WB and other three Yonkou was that big. Speaking about them we should also take in account that Yonkou's power isn't only his own power, but also a power of his crew.
In my opinion Big Mam looks like a Giant and thus her physical power should be quite considerable. Also I believe she might have a DF power and thus it makes her way stronger. Also She might hyave Haki.

It would be really interesting to see her power, but I don't think Luffy will take her down at this point. It would be at least strange, because for Luffy to take down one of the ten strongest persons in the World would be too fast. I think we'll have several Arcs where Luffy and his crew will grow stronger and maybe getting another crewmember and maybe also Jimbei and then he might have a fight against her.