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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    I didnt. Ive never thought that.
    Yes, you did. When we were talking about the outcome of the 11-20 matches right after they started, you said it'd be impossible for Kawamura to win because he'd be higher ranked than some others. It's in the 56-58 discussion thread iirc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Not for Akutsu > Yukimura. That was Akutsu > Fuji.
    5 balls at once cant be enough to defeat Yukimura otherwise Sanada wouldnt have gained both 5 and BA, Echizen wouldnt have been handed the ability to hit 10 and Kintaro wouldnt have been handed mass clone technique.
    Oh yeah, you agreed to Akutsu > Fuji, my bad.

    Sai did argue Akutsu > Yukimura before as well though (however I can't find anything besides this posted), I guess he can elaborate on that himself if he feels like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Personally, I think people would have preferred having Tokugawa play a full match against another guy from the 1st Court, having a Shuffle match between 6h Court and possibly old 2nd Court, or Fully Showing the Middle Schoolers shuffle against old 2nd Court, Or fully show the matches of the Foreign Expedition challenges one be one and still be just getting towards the end of it, than this.

    Since so far, weve all got excited about something, then BAM! They become fodder and we speed through, and Repeat. Weve had our excitement dashed away a lot so far. Look what 3rd Court amounted to.
    That's your opinion, that's fine and I don't even disagree with it. I also would have liked to see some more shuffle matches etc., however I've also seen people say the opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    A little random... Besides Sanada, Akutsu and Tokugawa.
    Shiraishi is pretty random, I'll admit. Kintarou is there because I think it's fair to say that Duke's a power player and in singles it's usually power vs power and not power vs technique.
    Fuji is there because he didn't have a match yet and if he's playing any of the G10, Tohno feels like the most likely one because of his violent attitude which Fuji usually takes issues with. I could definately see Akaya in his place though.
    Irie because I think it's too early for Ryoma vs Ryoga and we've never seen Irie go all out before, so that'd be a good chance.
    Echizen against Ohmagari because it's the only remaining slot.

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Echizen will play against Ryoga chaos, not Oomagari. also, if Irie played Ryoga, Irie would lose. The most logical character to beat him is Echizen, and I know that Konomi won't make him play against another player who isn't Ryoga.
    Who says that Ryoma vs Ryoga has to happen now? Ryoma can't lose because he's the main character, whereas I would find it odd if Ryoga got introduced just to become fodder.

    So in other words, I expect Ryoga to win his match and stay on the team, and Irie seems like a good opponent to show his strength.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    I'm saying that is lik premonition, everybody or most of the readers predict Echizen playing Ryoga, I don't want that he becomes fodder, he can still rechallenge somebody and get back into the team. If Irie vs Ryoga happens, then Irie has no hope of winning, trust me, even if he goes all out.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    Yes, you did. When we were talking about the outcome of the 11-20 matches right after they started, you said it'd be impossible for Kawamura to win because he'd be higher ranked than some others. It's in the 56-58 discussion thread iirc.
    I still didnt agree to that being a higher rank than someone means they are better than those ranked below them. Only currently is No.s11-20 in that situation. Prior to this, I felt No.s 11-20 were in order of strength.

    But, for only this current moment, can I accept the statement that ranking no. doesnt affect strength.
    Since I doubt Konomi will allow Kawamura, Kabaji and Kenya to stay as 1st Stringers.

    I think it makes no sense for Konomi to create an order of 1-20, but have 4-10 weaker than 11, and 12 weaker than 17-20.
    Its just stupid for No.12 to have no chance against anyone after him besides No.13 & No.16.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    Oh yeah, you agreed to Akutsu > Fuji, my bad.

    Sai did argue Akutsu > Yukimura before as well though (however I can't find anything besides this posted), I guess he can elaborate on that himself if he feels like it.
    We concluded that 5 balls is likely not enough to defeat Yukimura with. Since Konomi handed several power-ups to those he gave the 5 ball power-up to. We still concluded that its likely Akutsu is just below Yukimura, Sanada etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    That's your opinion, that's fine and I don't even disagree with it. I also would have liked to see some more shuffle matches etc., however I've also seen people say the opposite.
    So have I, I think the storyline being ''too slow'' is nonsense. I feel that its a monthly manga so expect things to be slow. However, I personally feel that so many matches could have happened.
    I would have loved to see Migihashi Itarou's Play Style which is said to be Light Rounder or Right Rounder I dont remember. and so many other players that it seems like were needlessly included on that 2nd Stringer Top 20 list.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    Shiraishi is pretty random, I'll admit. Kintarou is there because I think it's fair to say that Duke's a power player and in singles it's usually power vs power and not power vs technique.
    Fuji is there because he didn't have a match yet and if he's playing any of the G10, Tohno feels like the most likely one because of his violent attitude which Fuji usually takes issues with. I could definately see Akaya in his place though.
    Irie because I think it's too early for Ryoma vs Ryoga and we've never seen Irie go all out before, so that'd be a good chance.
    Echizen against Ohmagari because it's the only remaining slot.
    Hmmm... I would be gutted if Kirihara was in Top 10. I feel he should be No.17, with Momoshiro as No.19 and Kaido as No.18.
    Then we could have a Kaido/Momo pair and then a Devil Kaido/Kirihara pair haha.
    Have Yanagi slap Oishi out.
    Unlikely I know but its what Im hoping.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    Who says that Ryoma vs Ryoga has to happen now? Ryoma can't lose because he's the main character, whereas I would find it odd if Ryoga got introduced just to become fodder.

    So in other words, I expect Ryoga to win his match and stay on the team, and Irie seems like a good opponent to show his strength.
    This idea I love. If it happened then I would take back all my bitching about this being overall a poor storyline.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Spoiler show
    Ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    So have I, I think the storyline being ''too slow'' is nonsense. I feel that its a monthly manga so expect things to be slow. However, I personally feel that so many matches could have happened.
    I would have loved to see Migihashi Itarou's Play Style which is said to be Light Rounder or Right Rounder I dont remember. and so many other players that it seems like were needlessly included on that 2nd Stringer Top 20 list.
    Well, as I said, I agree that there could have or maybe even should have been more matches. I'm kinda on the fence about it mostly because we had skipped matches in PoT too and in hindsight, I didn't really mind that (with one or two exceptions).

    I fear Migihashi won't appear anymore, as much I would have liked to see him. From what I recall he was introduced in the Pair Puris before chapter 50 (I might be wrong, didn't double check), and we've seen that there was apparently quite a change in concept there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    This idea I love. If it happened then I would take back all my bitching about this being overall a poor storyline.
    I'll actually redo this after a convo from last night...

    No. 1 Tokugawa
    No. 2 Yukimura
    No. 3 Irie
    No. 4 Tooyama
    No. 5 Akutsu
    No. 6 Ryoma
    No. 7 Sanada
    No. 8 Fuji

    Some reasoning is in order I guess.
    Tokugawa is set as No. 1, I think we can all agree on that and I also believe he'll beat Byoudouin.

    No. 2-4 are where I believe the HSers (Tanegashima, Irie, Ryoga) to win because they got the most build up out of all the HSers so far and 4-5 actual new characters (Kazuya, Tanegashima, Irie, Ryoga, possibly Oni) that will stay over a longer time seems like a realistic number for SPoT imo. Also I kinda want to interpret Oni as gatekeeper of 5th court being No. 5 as foreshadowing that the gatekeepter of 3rd court will become No. 3.

    Akutsu against Oni is also something strongly hinted at. I'm not sure who would win though, as both have something going for them.

    Kimijima and Tohno seem to be a Doubles pair as well, and as Echizen can't play Doubles, that leaves only the No. 6 spot for him. Sanada is set somewhere and I see Fuji as realistic opponent for Tohno, as I said before, and he's also extremly popular, so I don't think Konomi will drop him.

    So I'd predict this for when the shuffle matches are over:

    No. 1 Tokugawa
    No. 2 Tanegashima
    No. 3 Irie
    No. 4 Ryoga
    No. 5 Oni/Akutsu (not sure)
    No. 6 Ryoma
    No. 7 Sanada
    No. 8 Fuji
    No. 9 Atobe
    No. 10 Niou
    No. 11 Yukimura
    No. 12 Shiraishi
    No. 13 Kirihara
    No. 14 Kintarou
    No. 15 Kikumaru
    No. 16 Oishi
    No. 17 Yanagi
    No. 18 Momoshiro
    No. 19 Kaidoh
    No. 20 Inui

    Top 10 I explained, Tanegashima and Ryoga beat Yukimura and Kintarou to show their strength, those two can keep their original spots though (too strong to be dropped completly).
    I felt like Shiraishi had to be in there somewhere since he got the Vol 7 cover and a Doubles with Akaya seems more likely than Singles imo.
    Niou apparently forfeited his badge and Kikumaru seems like the obvious recepient.
    Kaidoh can beat Kenya somewhere in the middle of the night (would be strange if Momoshiro got a spot but not him) and Inui can take the No. 20 Irie doesn't need anymore.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    I think that if Yukimura plays a G10 that is between numbers 4 and 1, he should lose, and this will be like a sort of lesson for him to improve more and maybe stop using yips when they're useless. I would like to see Akutsu vs Oni with Akutsu finally putting an end to Oni's showtime.

    I think that Sanada will definitely face Shuuji and defeat him. The encounter they had on the previously chapters ad all, I think it's like some sort of premonition or something lol.

    And I think that Kimijima/Tohno will be a doubles pair against Marui/Kite or Shiraishi/Kirihara. i want that Tohno/Kimijima don't lose their spots, and destroy some MS to give them more motivation to improve. Fuji should play against No.6 and win with some crazy new movement to recover from his loss against Tezuka, he has barely been shown on the manga, now is his true moment to appear and to gain a spot in the No.6 position.

    Finally, after the matches, the list should be like this:

    No.1 Tokugawa
    No.2 Sanada
    No.3 Duke
    No.4 Ryoma
    No.5 Akutsu/Oni
    No.6 Fuji
    No.7 Kimijima
    No. 8 Tohno
    No.9 Atobe
    No.10 Niou
    No.11 Yukimura
    No.12 Kawamura
    No.13 Gin
    No.14 Kintarou
    No. 15 Kikumaru
    No. 16 Oishi
    No.17 Yanagi/Inui
    No.18 Kaidou
    No.19 Momo
    No.20 Irie
    Last edited by LetalHawk; January 01, 2012 at 06:46 AM.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Byoudouin being out of 1st stringer at the end is pretty bs if it actually happened, though. Why isn't he at least no 20?
    Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    Byoudouin being out of 1st stringer at the end is pretty bs if it actually happened, though. Why isn't he at least no 20?
    To be honest, this whole U-17 Camp has barely any organization, makes little sense, no longer having any hints prior to actual events and such, and a randomly weak plotline at time due to big events happening within the turn of a page.

    Most things that have taken place so far are 'BS' for example Kabaji as a 1st Stringer.

    To the extent that it is no longer 'BS' but part of PoT. And PoT is awesomeness therefore it all becomes awesomeness.

    To be honest, its easily possible for Konomi to have it that Byoudouin was so injured he cant play tennis for a few months. and BAM! he's out of the line-up.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Muuri-san must be amazing dirty guy !! he habitually skipped practice and hide his full abilities for 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kantou View Post
    Muuri-san must be amazing dirty guy !! he habitually skipped practice and hide his full abilities for 3 years.
    I wouldnt say he hid his abilities as such, as he states he was annoyed by the Demon 3 of rikkai so chances are Singles wise he couldnt match them and is a tier below Yanagi and is likely to be the only guy in his year who was part of that Nationals team.

    Its not a hidden ablities plotline like Yamato Yuudai which I must say was fantastic.

    We only know he well above Kenya's tier as he apparently wiped him but likely below Yanagi.

    And remember, Muuri always had the luxury of skipping practice, if he wasnt picked, Yagyuu, Niou, Kirihara, Marui and Jackal are their who all know how to play Singles pretty well since Yanagi didnt even seem annoyed at all that he skipped practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    And remember, Muuri always had the luxury of skipping practice, if he wasnt picked, Yagyuu, Niou, Kirihara, Marui and Jackal are their who all know how to play Singles pretty well since Yanagi didnt even seem annoyed at all that he skipped practice.
    Random trivia, but according to FET, during the previous year, Yagyuu was the only one of him, Niou, Akaya, Marui, Jackal who had a regular spot.

    Mouri was introduced as super doubles specialist though, so I think it's not too farfetched to say that he played doubles in Rikkai as well.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by chaosmaster1991 View Post
    Random trivia, but according to FET, during the previous year, Yagyuu was the only one of him, Niou, Akaya, Marui, Jackal who had a regular spot.

    Mouri was introduced as super doubles specialist though, so I think it's not too farfetched to say that he played doubles in Rikkai as well.
    Yeah, Chitose stated he wiped Kenya, so its likely that like Yanagi, Niou and Yagyuu, Muuri played both Singles and Doubles.
    Since nobody in Rikkai strictly played singles besides Yukimura.
    And Sanada and Yanagi paired up in the Regional Semifinals. So I know its likely that everyone played both Singles and Doubles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airgrimes View Post
    Yeah, Chitose stated he wiped Kenya, so its likely that like Yanagi, Niou and Yagyuu, Muuri played both Singles and Doubles.
    Since nobody in Rikkai strictly played singles besides Yukimura.
    And Sanada and Yanagi paired up in the Regional Semifinals. So I know its likely that everyone played both Singles and Doubles.
    What it's sure is that Muuri is below Yanagi, Sanada and Yukimura. If he isn't at his level, then I would say Niou is above him too, like Atobe. The problem of the upcoming match is Ochi and how much Muuri improved in a year.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    What it's sure is that Muuri is below Yanagi, Sanada and Yukimura. If he isn't at his level, then I would say Niou is above him too, like Atobe. The problem of the upcoming match is Ochi and how much Muuri improved in a year.
    Letal, that's the past though. At this point, Mouri's probably a capable singles player. The only reason a lot of people lost to Renji anyway is that he had data on them. Niou is a better singles player than Renji and he has the potential to beat better players.

    Still, this is doubles, not singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    Letal, that's the past though. At this point, Mouri's probably a capable singles player. The only reason a lot of people lost to Renji anyway is that he had data on them. Niou is a better singles player than Renji and he has the potential to beat better players.
    To be honest that thought has always been on my mind after Niou VS Fuji that Yanagi is likely not stronger than Niou and that if Yagyuu is on Niou's level, Yanagi is technically Rikkai's 5th strongest. But then I remember that Yanagi is far more hyped up, so Ive never been able to make a confident judgement.

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    Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 69 and 70 Discussion/Predictions

    Yeah, he must improved a lot during a year, like Yamato did.

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