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View Poll Results: Oni vs Sanada

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  • Oni Juujirou

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Thread: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

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    Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Well, I think this could be a good match right now. We knows that Sanada seem to around the same level or higher than #6 with his black aura. Putting in Kishin or PoP will obviously make this match scale 6-0, so let's leave that out.

    How do you think Oni will fare? I don't know if he can return Black Aura. But then Sanada couldn't return 10 ball strike either as far as we know. Do 10 ball reaction time give him enough reaction time to handle black aura?
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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    I've seen no indication that Sanada tries to make impossible shots with black aura, like say hit a ball straight down the middle and then make a 90 degree turn as soon as it crosses the net. So as long as he doesn't do that, the black aura is just an equivalent of a hard to hit 2-ball, and Oni can hit 10-ball easy. X-ball by definition is faster reaction time than an equivalent number of X-turns from black aura because X-ball can hit that many balls at the exact same time, while each turn from the black aura is sequential so it'd give the opponent more time to prepare for it versus the X-ball which hits all X spots at the same time.

    Now it's an open question why doesn't Sanada just do an impossible shot with black aura in the first place.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Maybe he can't swing the racket fast enough to do something like what you described?

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    Maybe he can't swing the racket fast enough to do something like what you described?
    Possibly, and in that case black aura will be quite useless against 10-ball that can easily cover the entire baseline axis.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Yeah, I agree. I can only see it being problematic for Oni if Sanada launches the ball into the sky again, not sure if 10BS would cover that too.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Hmm, those argument all make senses. I wonder if Sanada vs Ohmagari thread would have been a closer match.
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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Oni is shown to be on par with byoudoin even without PoP or Kishin. He destroyed a 3rd court player without any of those even though takei's skills can be called into question. He also destroyed kaji without either of those. Sanada has just begun using black aura. I think Oni can easily return the clutch and fuurinkainzanrai.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Byoudouin got a lot stronger since their first encounter, and Oni did need Kijin at the end of that match or he would've lost. I think it's also very likely that Oni used Kijin against Kaji.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Even so Oni does not need either to beat sanada. It's just worlds apart. We have ohmagari stomping both him and akutsu even if they both weren't exactly playing like a doubles pair. Oni is above ohmagari and could just as easily stomp them both. At this point Sanada is outclassed by oni though after the World Cup this might not be the case.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Wasn't Oni without Kijin as good as Tanegashima (you know, they never lost/won against each other) who destroyed BA! Sanada?

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy View Post
    Wasn't Oni without Kijin as good as Tanegashima (you know, they never lost/won against each other) who destroyed BA! Sanada?
    I used to think this too, but I've changed my mind recently. Primarily because I feel we might be thinking too much into it by applying limiters to Oni when the conversation he had and Tanegashima had was pretty much a blanket statement, but also because what's the next step down from Kijin!Oni? 10BS!Oni - Kintarou played evenly with this guy (and Kaji may have been better) and I do not see Kintarou anywhere near Tanegashima.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    I dunno man. I like Tanegashima but you really think he wouldn't lose against Kijin! Oni? I mean Kintarou being better than pre-Kijin Oni kinda screws this completely, but Tanegashima being as good as people that use interdimensional powers* isn't that much better either.

    *I still don't consider the GS one of them >_>

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    I can't say that I particularly like the idea of it, but after reevaluating the information we have I think it's more likely than not. And he is the No. 2, so it's not completely unbelievable.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    True, but what would you say if it was Duke the one that was on par with Kijin Oni? He's the no. 3 after all.

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    Re: Oni (Without Kishin or PoP) vs Sanada

    I don't know? So far, nothing has implied that he is, so there's no reason to assume it. However, even if it was, we'd have to accept it. That said, at the moment I'd see Duke closer to this Oni/Tanegashima group than the Kaji/Ohmagari group.

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