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View Poll Results: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)...?

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  • Ace's Death

    15 22.73%
  • Gol D. Roger being Ace's father

    9 13.64%
  • Kuma splitting the crew & Luffy being unable to protect a single nakama

    11 16.67%
  • Kuma made Zoro disappear on Sabaody Archipelago

    6 9.09%
  • Shirahoeshi being Poseidon

    6 9.09%
  • Luffy declaring war on a Yonkou

    3 4.55%
  • Luffy - Dragon - Garp

    4 6.06%
  • Duval looking like the image on Sanji's wanted poster

    7 10.61%
  • Robin joining the Strawhats

    4 6.06%
  • Shanks stopping Akainu and saving Cobi in the war

    1 1.52%
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Thread: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    I'm honestly a bit surprised at how many consider Ace's death the most surprising moment of the manga. Basically, the whole war was based around Ace's execution. It's not like Ace dying was completely out of the blue, it was one out of two almost equally likely outcomes.

    Yeah, I guess you could argue that it was shocking because it was the first non-flashback, on-screen death of a major character. Yeah, Luffy fought hard to save him. But I'd hardly call Ace dying a "major plot twist". A plot twist is a turn of the events, when there's a change in the expected outcome or direction the plot is going in. If the arc is about Ace being close to dying, I'd say him being killed off isn't THAT surprising. And definitely more of a regular plot point than a plot twist.

    Hell, I'd say Whitebeard being stabbed in the back by Squardo much more surprising than Ace dying. That was a straight-up twist, nothing had actually indicated that it would happen.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    although i didn't like that part and I wasn't sad there,ace's death was shocking because I really didn't expect him to die.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Quote Originally Posted by Organizized View Post
    I'm honestly a bit surprised at how many consider Ace's death the most surprising moment of the manga. Basically, the whole war was based around Ace's execution. It's not like Ace dying was completely out of the blue, it was one out of two almost equally likely outcomes.

    Yeah, I guess you could argue that it was shocking because it was the first non-flashback, on-screen death of a major character. Yeah, Luffy fought hard to save him. But I'd hardly call Ace dying a "major plot twist". A plot twist is a turn of the events, when there's a change in the expected outcome or direction the plot is going in. If the arc is about Ace being close to dying, I'd say him being killed off isn't THAT surprising. And definitely more of a regular plot point than a plot twist.

    Hell, I'd say Whitebeard being stabbed in the back by Squardo much more surprising than Ace dying. That was a straight-up twist, nothing had actually indicated that it would happen.
    Its true that he was on scaffold for execution, means he had a 50/50 chance. However given the fact that WB would die on that battlefield and the fact the main protagonist Luffy was fighting to save him, I honestly didn't saw that coming. At that time I just couldn't see WB's great sacrifice and Luffy's hard effort to go in vain. Now I wasn't shocked or anything, nor did I make a "wtf face", but I do understand ppl nominating Ace's death.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    those two:

    Kuma splitting the crew & Luffy being unable to protect a single nakama
    Kuma made Zoro disappear on Sabaody Archipelago

    are the same ...

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    No there is a chapter difference :-)

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Quote Originally Posted by zelllogan View Post
    those two:

    Kuma splitting the crew & Luffy being unable to protect a single nakama
    Kuma made Zoro disappear on Sabaody Archipelago

    are the same ...
    Its not the same (for me). While I was suprised as Kuma made Zoro disappear, I wasn't even slightly suprised as he made the rest of the crew disappear. After all the blank speech bubbles with Rayleigh, it was clear that he intended to save the SHs.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Kuma splitting the crew INCLUDES making Zoro disappear. Your event is included in mine. The rest is semantics.

    Oda disbanding the strawhats for more than 100 chapters (I think ?) is for me by far the most surprising thing I read in a manga. Oda took a huge risk at storytelling level. It's not a question about being saved. It's a question about doing a manga about only Luffy & not the strawhats for a huge amount of time
    Last edited by zelllogan; January 26, 2012 at 09:15 AM.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Yes but I don't think those who will vote for that will vote for it for this reason. In fact that would makes it divide in 2 more sensible, one for the twist (a clifhanger) and one for the storytelling (100 chapters). But I doubt people will vote with that in mind anyway

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    It was nominated separately, so it's in the vote separately. surprises/shocks are a very subjective matter anyway, so please respect the nominations and vote for your favorites. =)

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Quote Originally Posted by zelllogan View Post
    Kuma splitting the crew INCLUDES making Zoro disappear. Your event is included in mine. The rest is semantics. [...]
    You don't get my point. The event is divided in two chapters, with two different cliffhanger. While I had a "wtf" reaction on Zoro's disappearance, I did not have a asimilar reaction for the rest of the crew. As Zoro disappeared, we couldn't explain anything. But as Kuma made the rest disappear we could explain ourselves with legit theories.

    It is true that both are linked to one, to be precise Zoro's disappearance is part of the whole crew's, however this award is about "most surprising/shocking moment". If both events can be only considered as one and same, then it deserves no nomination at all in my eyes. Since repeating events/cliffhangers can't be as surprising as the first one.

    Anyway, I can't explain better than this, if u still don't get my point then lets agree to disagree.
    Last edited by BlackHair; January 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM. Reason: changed the quote

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    I think that you don't understand Zellogan either. What surprise him the most, was that Oda separate the strawhat for so long. Kuma event being only the start from this separation

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    You are right indeed. It seems I started writing after his first line and missed his point altogether xD Anyway should be clear for both of us now. As Akainu said the definition of surprising/shocking is entirely subjective. So lets agree to that we have different understanding of that specific event. But to begin with, I voted for Poseidon xD

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    I think the key word being overlooked here is moment, while the separation is a set of moments, Zoro's disappearance is a moment that started a chain of events, I would argue that even Luffy vanishing in the end can be taken as a surprise even if the whole crew went through it all, he is the main character after all.

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    Luffy declaring war to BM . That surprised me and at the same time it pleased me 'cause after their confrontation Luffy's bounty will skyrocket and he's gonna be more infamous than he is

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    Re: Most Surprising/Shocking Moment (Plot Twist)

    No Kuma appearance at thriller bark? I remember APforums went all HOLY S**T when it happened. NO body saw it coming.

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