Sasuke vs the world

[jaymizzo]

Amaterasu was gained at the end of the fight.. Genjutsu was still new to him and barely got to use it once.

True, but Amaterasu doesnt kill you instantly and a Bijuudama does. (forgetting Suigetsu)

[LnDRash]

Yes... and I also remember that if Sasuke didn't cut off that tentacle to save Karin Bee wouldn't have been able to pull off that substitution trick and instead would have burned to death. In other words he was just lucky things turned out into his favor.

[jaymizzo]

Considering Itachi's version was able to take something that destroyed a mountain... Yeah. Makes sense for him to be able to do that. But he does not even need to tank it, just use Amaterasu on 8 tails face when he tries to use it.

It didnt destroy a whole mountain, it destroyed the top of the mountain. A bijuudama from lesser bijuu leveled entire mountains. So yeh...

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Yes... and I also remember that if Sasuke didn't cut off that tentacle to save Karin Bee wouldn't have been able to pull off that substitution trick and instead would have burned to death. In other words he was just lucky things turned out into his favor.

When has Amaterasu burnt someone to death, Raikage took amaterasu like it was nothing. (on the arm ofcourse). Bee throughout that whole fight wasnt planning on fighting but finding a way to get away. Evident by Hachibi telling him off for making him lose his tails because of what he pulled.

[Prince Sasuke]

To be honest, be left for two reasons:
1. Sasuke cam out with Amaterasu, a jutsu bee couldn't handle.
2. Once Amaterasu was used, bee realize that he couldn't kill them(like he said he was)and then decided to escape(from the village and Taka).

Bee was exhausted from transforming and used up most of his chakra and could barely drag himself out of the water... No way be was in 'good' shape.

as for the fight.
Sasuke only lose to
Naruto
Sannins

[xXan]

@jaymizzo

It leveled a mountain look again. Also Kririn was a focused attack directing ALL of its force on a point. Biju bombe spreads its power in a wide area.

Now i would also like to see what mountains are you refering to so we can compare this Sasuke's kirin.

PS. Amaterasu's power depends on if or not its focused.

[Uchiha_Blood]

And again we saw Susano'o penetrated by a wind jutsu by Danzou, even if it was powered by his summon.
I still think that a Bijuudama would be enough to penetrate Susano'o, since it is undeniably on the top 3 of the most powerful jutsu in the manga, with the Shinra Tensei that leveled Konoha and Madara's Meteor.
I dunno, ok Kishi made Susano'o resilient, but resilient enough to completely defend himself by a Bijuu's strongest attack?

And ppl underestimate Kisame too much, the water dome off the bat would put even Sasuke at a disantantage, and Sasuke's only chance would be an istantaneous Amaterasu. Susano'o Arrows, made of chakra, would likely be absorbed, and putting Kisame in a genjutsu, with Samehada that would disrupt his chakra, would be useless.
Inside the water dome, and fused with Samehada, Kisame is almost invincible, unless you're Gai

[Lemonadez]

yea That water dome, sasuke wont be able to breathe after all susanoo is useless inside the water dome, since he's completely inside the water, even if he cast susanoo those water sorrounding susaske will not disappear.

[ninjabot]

The water will burst after Sasuke sets Kisame on fire with Amaterasu, since he's the one keeping it around himself in his shark mode. Take him out, you take out the dome.

And if Samehada can't absorb a C rank katon there's no way it's absorbing Amaterasu. My only concern being whether Kisame decides to spam Suikoudan and make 1000 sharks devour him instead.

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When has Amaterasu burnt someone to death, Raikage took amaterasu like it was nothing. (on the arm ofcourse). Bee throughout that whole fight wasnt planning on fighting but finding a way to get away. Evident by Hachibi telling him off for making him lose his tails because of what he pulled.

Raikage wasn't actually touched by said flames though, was he? It was his armor burning, not his flesh. Not to mention he has a pain threshhold greater than the average shinobi, considering he chopped his hand off without flinching. And Bee didn't decide to find a way to get away until after he had already screwed himself out of a victory. Evident by Hachibi not mentioning Bee's "plan" until AFTER the fact. If it were as obvious as you're implying he would've warned him prior to the fight even beginning. He never once played the voice of descent.

[Lemonadez]

The water will burst after Sasuke sets Kisame on fire with Amaterasu, since he's the one keeping it around himself in his shark mode. Take him out, you take out the dome.

And if Samehada can't absorb a C rank katon there's no way it's absorbing Amaterasu. My only concern being whether Kisame decides to spam Suikoudan and make 1000 sharks devour him instead.

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Raikage wasn't actually touched by said flames though, was he? It was his armor burning, not his flesh. Not to mention he has a pain threshhold greater than the average shinobi, considering he chopped his hand off without flinching. And Bee didn't decide to find a way to get away until after he had already screwed himself out of a victory. Evident by Hachibi not mentioning Bee's "plan" until AFTER the fact. If it were as obvious as you're implying he would've warned him prior to the fight even beginning. He never once played the voice of descent.

That is samaheda, we are talking about FUSE kisame, also kisame fused body suck every attack and he move faster than Bee v2 in water dome. I don't see how Amaterasu will hit Kisame if there a lot of water blocking his path? amaterasu isn't instant kill and it doesn't spread all over the body. If Sasuke amaterasu couldn't even hit [A] while Bee v2 form speed are same level as [A] and Fused kisame inside water dome move faster than Bee v2. Good luck with your ameterasu, he will suck susanoo chakra with just a simple touch.

Do you know how to swim? Why dont u try go under the swimming pool and open your eyes and say amaterasu, let see if u can last that long LOL.

Also how can u know that katon will work inside the water dome? katon required inhaling. he will just suck all those water and drown his ass.

[Prince Sasuke]

Why do you make up so much stuff? Please show me where the manga states that bee level2 is equal to A speed. Amaterasu would definitely cook Kisame fast enough for him to drop the water done.... That's if sasuke ever got caught in it in the first place. Sasuke could just fly on is hawk and snipe Kisame from a distance.

[Lemonadez]

Why do you make up so much stuff? Please show me where the manga states that bee level2 is equal to A speed. Amaterasu would definitely cook Kisame fast enough for him to drop the water done.... That's if sasuke ever got caught in it in the first place. Sasuke could just fly on is hawk and snipe Kisame from a distance.

LoL i dont make up stuff, because we saw that water dome is too big than sasuke can escape from.. and Kisame able to produce a massive water wave and even bigger than Biju. I don't see sasuke can fly that fast with his hawk, his hawk is too small compare to a biju size, and kisame tsunami alone would wtf pwned sasuke, I bet u didnt know sasuke cant swim.

LoL when A and Bee fought, A had his raiton armor on which grant him speed over Bee, and Bee isn't using any hachibi chakra. Lariat is also base on movement speed, the more speed you produce the more impact on the body. Clearly Bee won against [A] with his lightning armor on. <- don't deny [A] is not using speed. If you deny that, I could say same thing for Naruto that if naruto enter in SM mode, he did not use senjutsu chakra to create his normal rasengan against 3rd Raikage, that pwn his Raiton armor.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c470/15.html <- look how close kisame against Bee.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c470/16.html <- Look how fast Kisame reaction against Bee and his raiton knife got owned. If sasuke get hit by that it would drain his chakra, Sasuke doesn't poses biju chakra. He wont last longer to kisame.

Seriously even Sasuke with his sharingan against Bee with no hachibi at all, he got owned in close combat. Look how close Bee against Kisame, kisame clearly owned Bee in close combat.

Look how fast Kisame using Samaheda drain the entire 4 tail chakra cloak. <- even sasuke body doesn't have enough 4 tail chakra.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c471/2.html - 7 tail cloaking is fast. if [Bee alone with no cloak can keep up to [A] with his raiton armor]. I don't see your point here that Sasuke is faster than kisame.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c471/4.html -> See how fast Bee in his 7 tail and still Sameha can eat a chakra up to 6 tail worth. <- 1 graze on sasuke he's instant drain and sasuke doesnt have any idea against Samaheda.


http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c471/15.html -> See look how big is that wave, They are in the forest with big trees.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c471/16.html -> lol I don't see sasuke capable of escaping a large scale forest that filled with water dome.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c472/2.html -> See those summon pet + that ninja, run out of breathe so easily.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c472/3.html -> I still don't see Sasuke hawk can fly around, since Kisame can make his water dome float itself and move on its own and see how fast v2 Bee is moving.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c472/8.html -> Look the moment Bee is back on cloak form, he couldn't breathe that long anymore. Even cloak form dont protect them from under water.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c472/11.html -> still dont see sasuke can hide, Kisame can sense chakra if he's fused with samaheda.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c473/2.html -> lol even that close and it travel faster than sasuke chidori sword LOL Kisame able to dodge that

Water dome, no way he can target with his amaterasu he move + water dome move along with him its big lol.

Sasuke isn't fast compare to Kisame, even Gai had to use gates to match kisame speed alone :P.

[Prince Sasuke]

Yes you did. You can't prove the bee level 2 is as fast as E. You automatically assume the that Sasuke will be caught in the water dome when he has a hawk that can fly high above the dome. you have a lot of Manga scans but none of them proves bee is on the same level of E in the speed department.

Everything else you mention has nothing to do with my debate,so its no point in responding.

[Uchiha_Blood]

A cloaked Bee couldn't do nothing to even hope to evade the dome, and, other than being used quite fast, here we see here how big it is, so Sasuke evading it, while a cloaked Bee couldn't, isn't that believable imho.

Can Amaterasu travel underwater? We don't know how Amaterasu do against water:
being a chakra-made water, and with Amaterasu nature to burn whatever it touches, I doubt that it would travel in it, only setting in burning the water near Sasuke, thus being useless. Amaterasu don't travel though things, it simply burns everything that has a somewhat solid mass, and chakra infused water, I believe, has a solid mass. Add to that the fact that Sasuke, like everyone underwater, would be quite slow, and all Kisame would have to do is outspeeding him and hitting him from Sharingan's blind spot, thus winning even before Sasuke goes out of breath.

Knowing how Amaterasu works, being Itachi's partner, would force Kisame to swim out of Sasuke's eyesight, thus not being in range of Amaterasu

[Lemonadez]

Yea that what im trying to say Amaterasu can't travel through water. As it always hit solid object and kisame sorrounded by large amount of mass water his amaterasu will just hit outside the water because we all saw amaterasu doesnt go through. We saw it that when 4th Raikage dodge amaterasu it didn't stay instead it hit the one behind raikage. even tho his target was raikage.

Like when Sasuke fought Itachi, Amaterasu didn't go through the ground *when sasuke made a hole*...
On top of that, Susanoo arrow is useless too it isn't fast once it goes inside the water. Like when u shoot a gun in under the water, you can see the bullet where it goes, but when u shoot it on the air, u cant see the bullet..

Kisame > Sasuke.
If cloak biju cant breathe under water, even susanoo wont be able to (since they are vulnerable under their feet).. It only take 1 touch from kisame and that susanoo chakra is pretty much done for...

Im gona laugh so hard if that hawk can actually escape from water dome. That dome alone is too big and it also move while kisame move, knowing how fast kisame move. Hawk will eventually get caught and inside of the water hawk cant swim.

Kisame knew about Ameterasu + Tsukoyomi. Don't see sasuke winning against this one..Sasuke also doesn't have any idea of kisame abilities.

[Prince Sasuke]

all of this is base on Kisame Trapping Sasuke in the water dome.. Amaterasu don't travel it appears instantly on you.