Sasuke vs the world

[Lemonadez]

all of this is base on Kisame Trapping Sasuke in the water dome.. Amaterasu don't travel it appears instantly on you.

LoL Really it appear instantly on you?

Sasuke vs [A] -> He cast Amaterasu, it misses it travel through [A] and hitting solid object behind him.
Itachi vs Sasuke -> Itachi cast amaterasu on sasuke, It didn't appear instantly on him, Itachi have to control it to hit sasuke curse wing..

Yea right. Water Solid Mass. Amaterasu doesn't go through it. Before even it hit Kisame, it would hit the water first. Unless u provide a proof that it can go through water and hit the user behind any solid matters. As [A] manage to dodge it..

LoL how on earth you think sasuke not be able to trap from water dome? that water dome alone move fast as long as kisame move and kisame is also fast he clearly easily caught Bee v2 and his cloak form so easily, ur telling sasuke move faster than Bee v2 or Cloak form. Bs he couldn't even take down Bee normal with his own speed alone.

[Prince Sasuke]

Amaterasu ignite at the focus of the user's vision.... It dosen't travel..

Heres a few ways that Sasuke can advoid getting trapped..... by Attack first.. Genjutsu, Amaterasu.... Genjutsu Susanoo arrows.... Genjustu chidori sword to the head.

Stop assuming Sasuke will get caught.

[Lemonadez]

Amaterasu ignite at the focus of the user's vision.... It dosen't travel..

Heres a few ways that Sasuke can advoid getting trapped..... by Attack first.. Genjutsu, Amaterasu.... Genjutsu Susanoo arrows.... Genjustu chidori sword to the head.

Stop assuming Sasuke will get caught.

Im gona lol Genjutsu doesnt work on kisame with 2 chakra on him. Amaterasu lol i doubt sasuke can focus his eye to cast amaterasu first...as it took him a while to cast amaterasu first and kisame can feel chakra and amaterasu uses large amount of chakra, he can tell by it, Kisame who been partner with itachi for a long time and he know itachi MS well.

Then clearly tell us how come Sasuke who focus his vision on [A] and [A] just move it didn't hit [A] at all.? Itachi focus also hit sasuke and sasuke went through the ground, it didnt also hit Sasuke. See what he see infront of him cast amaterasu since a mass of water is infront of kisame, it wont hit kisame to begin with. Just like how [A] got hit by Amaterasu his raiton armor was hit instead of his skin. and there large of water covering kisame body similar to [A] raiton armor that covering his body too.

Here im saying that amaterasu doesnt go through water.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v49/c463/12.html -> See Raikage was hit and able to evade it. You can still see amaterasu in there and amaterasu still on air but look what happen,
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v49/c463/13.html -> it did not stay on the spot where he casted on raikage. It just went goes further than raikage until it hit solid stuff..

See now why amaterasu is useless against water, cuz even if the target is visible in the water, it would still hit the water because infront of Sasuke eyes there a solid mass of water blocking the victim body.. No matter how much he focus his eye, he still wont be able to go through that since its blocking its target. Beside we dont even know if amaterasu can be created inside the water? as there is no proof. All we can see he can create amatersu in the open area.

So in other words it cant affect anything, since there a solid thick mass of water dome that blocking sasuke view which also fused with kisame chakra, I don't see a way how sasuke can see through thick of water dome from outside. We couldn't even see Kisame and Bee from the water dome outside because its too thick. When water is too thick, u cant see whats under it. and we know water jutsu isn't clean like water from faucet.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Amaterasu ignite at the focus of the user's vision.... It dosen't travel..

Heres a few ways that Sasuke can advoid getting trapped..... by Attack first.. Genjutsu, Amaterasu.... Genjutsu Susanoo arrows.... Genjustu chidori sword to the head.

Stop assuming Sasuke will get caught.

The problem with MS jutsus is that they aren't instantaneous, all of them except the skeleton version of Susano'o. Amaterasu need the user to activate his MS, focus chakra on his eye, the eye bleeds, and then it is set off, all the time, for Kisame, to do a single handsing and create the water dome. Genjutsu, as Lemonadez said, is useless thanks to Samehada, and Susano'o arrow too since it would be absorbed, being made of chakra, and Sasuke still needs some seconds to go in the armored form and use the arrows. And if a cloaked Bee couldn't simply evade it, then Sasuke can't too

[Lemonadez]

The problem with MS jutsus is that they aren't instantaneous, all of them except the skeleton version of Susano'o. Amaterasu need the user to activate his MS, focus chakra on his eye, the eye bleeds, and then it is set off, all the time, for Kisame, to do a single handsing and create the water dome. Genjutsu, as Lemonadez said, is useless thanks to Samehada, and Susano'o arrow too since it would be absorbed, being made of chakra, and Sasuke still needs some seconds to go in the armored form and use the arrows. And if a cloaked Bee couldn't simply evade it, then Sasuke can't too

You also forgot to add something.
Kisame can also sense chakra, just like Naruto + Nagato who can sense chakra they can sense Itachi before using amataratsu (cuz it uses large amount of chakra). Kisame knows amaterasu before itachi even use it against jiraiya. Im sure he already know the feeling of amateratsu so that also make it useless. He can just create tsunami so easily before Sasuke can use gather his chakra and cast amaterastu, it only take 1 hand seal for kisame to cast tsunami to block amataretsu before it ignite LoL..


haha Sasuke a Troll to kisame LoL.

[Kazu-Sama]

Well, I was expecting massive fights but I always figured it would be Madara/Naruto vs Sasuke, and not Kisame xD

Just to clear up confusion, Naruto can't go into Kyuubi mode and use Kage Bushin in his fight, and nor can he use the Koto Amatsuki eye that Itachi put in him.

Also, I want to ask why someone said Gai would beat Sasuke but not Gai and Lee together?

[LnDRash]

Also, I want to ask why someone said Gai would beat Sasuke but not Gai and Lee together?

Isn't that obvious?

GATTAI!!

[Prince Sasuke]

The problem with MS jutsus is that they aren't instantaneous, all of them except the skeleton version of Susano'o. Amaterasu need the user to activate his MS, focus chakra on his eye, the eye bleeds, and then it is set off, all the time, for Kisame, to do a single handsing and create the water dome. Genjutsu, as Lemonadez said, is useless thanks to Samehada, and Susano'o arrow too since it would be absorbed, being made of chakra, and Sasuke still needs some seconds to go in the armored form and use the arrows. And if a cloaked Bee couldn't simply evade it, then Sasuke can't too

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/477/6 http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/477/7 Didn't seem like it needed alot of prep time. Just cause Kisame have a method of breaking out Genjutsu doesn't make it useless. A split second is all Sasuke would need to Cut kisame head off with Chidori sword,and Genjutsu would give hime that second. As i said for the hundreth time this is all assuming Sasuke will be caught in the water dome in the first place. The hawk can fly much higher then the water dome.

[Rikudou King]

Also, I want to ask why someone said Gai would beat Sasuke but not Gai and Lee together?

Against Gai alone, Sasuke can match his speed and in worst case defend with Susanoo until Gai weakens or he gets him with an arrow/Amaterasu. But against both Gai and Lee, Sasuke can't defend against both their speeds at once and even if he gets one with Susanoo, the aftereffects would leave him open to being blitz by the second. Genjutsu would be useful, but it's very likely that Gai taught Lee how to counter it and they probably can actually pull it off.

[Uchiha_Blood]

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/477/6 http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/477/7 Didn't seem like it needed alot of prep time. Just cause Kisame have a method of breaking out Genjutsu doesn't make it useless. A split second is all Sasuke would need to Cut kisame head off with Chidori sword,and Genjutsu would give hime that second. As i said for the hundreth time this is all assuming Sasuke will be caught in the water dome in the first place. The hawk can fly much higher then the water dome.

He had already the Ms, he had to close his eyes, focus, then use Amaterasu. Kisame set the water dome in an istant, to the point where even Killer Bee couldn't evade it. And the hawk has yet to show a speed superior to Killer Bee, expecially in a dome made of water

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Against Gai alone, Sasuke can match his speed and in worst case defend with Susanoo until Gai weakens or he gets him with an arrow/Amaterasu. But against both Gai and Lee, Sasuke can't defend against both their speeds at once and even if he gets one with Susanoo, the aftereffects would leave him open to being blitz by the second. Genjutsu would be useful, but it's very likely that Gai taught Lee how to counter it and they probably can actually pull it off.

He was saying that he didn't understand why ppl likely voted/sayed that Gai alone could beat Sasuke while Gai and Lee would not

[Prince Sasuke]

He had already the Ms, he had to close his eyes, focus, then use Amaterasu. Kisame set the water dome in an istant, to the point where even Killer Bee couldn't evade it. And the hawk has yet to show a speed superior to Killer Bee, expecially in a dome made of water

Your definitely over exaggeration The prep time (if you want to call it that) Of MS. Sasuke ativates MS with a blink of the eye,He closes his eye then fire Amaterasu... that take one whole secod, not minutes like your claiming. Sasuke don't need to be faster then bee in a dome of water, cause no one have any gave a reasonable answer oh how Sasuke will be caught.

[Lemonadez]

Against Gai alone, Sasuke can match his speed and in worst case defend with Susanoo until Gai weakens or he gets him with an arrow/Amaterasu. But against both Gai and Lee, Sasuke can't defend against both their speeds at once and even if he gets one with Susanoo, the aftereffects would leave him open to being blitz by the second. Genjutsu would be useful, but it's very likely that Gai taught Lee how to counter it and they probably can actually pull it off.

I don't get it how can sasuke match Gai speed, when Gai normal body speed is worth 5 pts and his strength is 5 pts too in databook.

Where Uchiha sasuke normal speed are only on 3-4.5. I also don't see sasuke can increase his speed with any of his jutsu, while gai gates can increase double amount for each gates..

Yea right, genjutsu doesnt work on Gai either, how on earth he will manage to hit sasuke with that. Gai knew about. Speed of Amaterasu + Susanoo wont hit gai easily, since Gai can also attack from Mid Range.. and if lee get caught in genjutsu Gai could easily touch or hit Lee with his punch alone it would wake him up..

Gai Speed + Strength + Stamina = all 5 pts. where Sasuke Speed + strength + Stamina = Low Pool against Gai, Sasuke using all his MS technique will just drain him out Sasuke will run out of stamina before Gai does.

And we have no proof that Susanoo can block energy. Gai Daytime Tiger isn't a chakra attack. its heat energy and it cause massive aoe impact . we can only see susanoo block jutsu that use chakra and physical attack, no Idea if Susanoo can block Heat engery..If Susanoo can block Sun itself prolly yeah :P

[Rikudou King]

He was saying that he didn't understand why ppl likely voted/sayed that Gai alone could beat Sasuke while Gai and Lee would not

I know, I was explaining my own reasoning for why I though that.

I don't get it how can sasuke match Gai speed, when Gai normal body speed is worth 5 pts and his strength is 5 pts too in databook.

Where Uchiha sasuke normal speed are only on 3-4.5. I also don't see sasuke can increase his speed with any of his jutsu, while gai gates can increase double amount for each gates..

Yea right, genjutsu doesnt work on Gai either, how on earth he will manage to hit sasuke with that. Gai knew about. Speed of Amaterasu + Susanoo wont hit gai easily, since Gai can also attack from Mid Range.. and if lee get caught in genjutsu Gai could easily touch or hit Lee with his punch alone it would wake him up..

Gai Speed + Strength + Stamina = all 5 pts. where Sasuke Speed + strength + Stamina = Low Pool against Gai, Sasuke using all his MS technique will just drain him out Sasuke will run out of stamina before Gai does.

And we have no proof that Susanoo can block energy. Gai Daytime Tiger isn't a chakra attack. its heat energy and it cause massive aoe impact . we can only see susanoo block jutsu that use chakra and physical attack, no Idea if Susanoo can block Heat engery..If Susanoo can block Sun itself prolly yeah :P

Sasuke was able to manage against regular Ee and Itachi, both of who are as fast as Gai. He wouldn't have much trouble against someone who lacked their reflexes. Both Amaterasu and the arrows are incredibly fast, requiring the defender to have forewarning in order to dodge. Gai avoiding looking at Sasuke would work against him in this situation, since he wouldn't be able to see the attack coming. And we have seen Sasuke can use multiple MS techniques in an extended battle without tiring out, while Gai will become tired within a while after opening the gates.

There's no reason Susanoo wouldn't be able to block that attack, since chakra is still a type of energy.

[Lemonadez]

I know, I was explaining my own reasoning for why I though that.

Sasuke was able to manage against regular Ee and Itachi, both of who are as fast as Gai. He wouldn't have much trouble against someone who lacked their reflexes. Both Amaterasu and the arrows are incredibly fast, requiring the defender to have forewarning in order to dodge. Gai avoiding looking at Sasuke would work against him in this situation, since he wouldn't be able to see the attack coming. And we have seen Sasuke can use multiple MS techniques in an extended battle without tiring out, while Gai will become tired within a while after opening the gates.

There's no reason Susanoo wouldn't be able to block that attack, since chakra is still a type of energy.

1.) It was stated that his 7 Gate attack isn't a chakra..So we have no info wether it can go through..Heat energy isn't type of chakra. It stated there that chakra is based Physical & Spiritual energy to form a chakra.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra

2.) Regular [A]? The moment battle start between Sasuke and [A], Sasuke can't keep up with his speed. and sasuke cant keep up with Itachi, only reason Sasuke manage hitting Itachi when Itachi uses MS abilities that give fatigue over his body and Itachi also have low stamina. Even if u look at the fight before Itachi start using MS. Sasuke couldn't keep up with his speed. This is only Normal speed of Itachi, but using jutsu also lower ur stamina with low stamina ur body start decreasing speed,strength & chakra...

[Rikudou King]

1) Energy is still energy. Juts because it's not the same type doesn't mean it wouldn't be bound by the same rules.

2) Sasuke kept up with Ee up until he used shunshin. And Sasuke did keep up with Itachi just fine before he began to use his MS and be effected by it. He even surprised Itachi a few times.