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Yeeaaah, I'm going to follow ish3's advice as well.
He must have had a crew at some point. The Grand Line is harrowing enough for beginners, I can't imagine someone being able to take it on alone until they become strong enough. Hell, even Roger and Whitebeard needed a crew to get as far as they did. He might have a crew and just disbanded it after some point in time. If his dream was to become a great swordsman, then he accomplished it early and didn't need a crew any longer.
mihawk having a crew is just speculation, nothing more.
Facts are hes shown to live alone, having a 1 man boat, and has a castle in a country withoud people and manga never mentioned or even hinted at him ever being in a crew. hes just that badass to go where he pleases, alone.
Dutch it's all speculation and theory as what these threads are for. As badass as that sounds no one not even former and current admirals move throughout the world without a crew. At least before they obtained their titles. Every strong man has a following even if he's a lone wolf the right people would follow regardless that's why it's odd especially in a story such as One Piece. That's why I feel at some point his origin and backstory will be necessary. He definitely wasn't the person he is today since birth. Something happen to make him believe in destiny and its turning gears. Whether it be gol d roger or another experience.
Until he was the level he is now there's no way in hell he traveled the grandline let alone the new world on his own. I know it won't be until near the end of the series but I can't wait till we delve more into his character. I could care less about his feats or powers as he already has the strongest swordsman title. At least until Zoro fights him.
if u want 100% facts..
1. Mihawk is the worlds most powerfull swordman
2. shanks got his arm eaten by a fish
3. shanks got 3 scars on his eye by blackbeard.
4. shanks has a big crew/allies and controls many islands and is a younko
5. mihawk is alone, and is warlord title given by government
6. mihawk and shanks were rivals before who had legendary duells.
7. mihawk doesnt consider shanks a rival anymore, now that he lost an arm.
But it's not enough, this manga has gone fourteen times as long as it has been at that chapter, fifteen years have gone by since that moment, the manga has increased in volume, characters, had added a huge amount of plot and world building.
Why should we not be capable of comparing characters if they aren't using the same weapons? What idiocy is this!?
The long bolded sentence is a false equivalence. The popularity of a character doesn't say anything about strength, keep this bullshit out of the discussion.
And considering that you just wrote that those two are not comparable like Shanks and Mihawk, Luffy or Zorro better stay out of this topic, unless you can provide a connection to it.
Coby surpassing Garp until Luffy reaches his PK titles would be really weird and not make sense considering it took Garp decades to reach his prime, just like it took the fighters of Strawats years of their life to reach their current strength.
Did you just admit that you have a huge lack of understanding of this manga? Because posting this says nothing about Shanks capability to rip that Sea Monster apart in the first chapter. It rather ignores that physical sacrifice of Shanks for the one person he though could follow in his captain's footsteps.
3. Shanks confirmed Blackbeard to be a tough fighter, even before he stole the DF. What's your point?
4/5. What does that have to do with anything? Rayleigh swam through the calm belt before rowing there, Shanks would likely be capable of the same. What's your point?
7. What does that say about Shanks being a capable combatant to Mihawk considering he's officially one of the top 4 pirates on the planet? Nothing.
Fact #8: You do not understand how discussions/argumentations work.
Please leave if you have no intention to actually talk, reply or rebut the argumentations provided.
Greatest as in most skilled on earth and likely the strongest as well, but that's not 100% sure. If Blackbeard used swords now and was capable of beating Dracule with help of his powers and sword, he would be the strongest on earth, but not the greatest/magnificent/briliiant/terrific/excellent/admirable one.Quote:
And Since Shanks lost his sword hand, his skill in swordmanship will have decreased, yet he surely wouldn't be weak either, just weaker than with both hands or rather his sword hand. Therefore Mihawk doesn't accept him as a rival anymore, as he is not capable of fighting to 100% as he was before.
Last edited by Schabrak; October 26, 2013 at 09:46 AM.
^ Not always true, I'm very certain that Mihawk wasn't the strongest swordsman of 25 years ago, that title belonged either to Rayleigh or someone else like the old monk who is among the top people controlling the WG. Hawkeye "never actually owns the title strongest swordsman, he merely looks after it for the next generation"!
Mihawk really is the strongest swordman in One piece, thats why he currently has that title.
We dont know for how long he has that title, or how long he will keep it, but right now, he does own the title.
PS: i wouldnt be suprised if Rayleigh was the previous holder of that title
There must be some super strong swordsman who doesn't give a damn about the silly title. I hope Zoro will realize this truth, because I don't like Zoro wastes his remaining life defending this useless title.
Just to add my two cents in this thread/debate;
Being the strongest swordsman doesn't mean he is the strongest in general.
I think what the databook said about Shanks not becoming weaker by loosing an arm (fact) is a hint, about a power we have yet seen (theory). We know he got amazing haki (fact).
What I believe;
Shanks vs. Mihawk,
In a swordsfight between Shanks and Mihawk, Mihawk will win (not an easy fight though).
In a all-out-fight between Shanks and Mihawk, Shanks will win (not an easy fight thouh).
An Admiral vs. Mihawk,
From what i've seen, admirals are monsters. But there are some people who can give them a fight and come up on top of it (Rayleigh, Marco, WB).
Even amongst the admirals there seems to be a power diffrence (Akainu seems to be at the top). I can't see alot of people beating him tbh.
So I say, Mihawk can fight them equally or beat or get beaten by them. But he is def up there power wise.
An Yonkou vs. Mihawk,
First off, I think the title goes to the most powerful pirate. So I think it's pretty similiar to the admiral case. But we have to little information on them, so I don't really know.. I can only go with my gut feeling on this one, to debate this also pretty useless as we haven't seen Shanks (since he became a yonkou), Kaidou or Big Mom fight.
An Shichibukai vs. Mihawk,
Can't really see any of them beating him. After what I've seen in the marineford arc and punk hazzard/dressrosa arc.
Oh I forgot, power =/= strength.
Last edited by ikuroi; October 30, 2013 at 07:45 AM.
In a all-out-fight between shanks and mihawk, shanks will still lose, even with his monster haki.
Thats how strong mihawk is, and why he has the title of strongest swordsman, and also why hes the ultimate goal for zoro ever since the beginning.
It aint shanks that zoro wants to beat, its mihawk.
Sure Shanks hes very strong and is a younko and is very respected, however he still will lose from mihawk combat wise 1 on 1.
Story wise Mihawk should be as strong or stronger then most of the younko, because hes zoro's final goal.
Besides, being the strongest swordsman, means he is the strongest swordman, including shanks.
It doesnt mean hes the strongest overall though, i agree on that.
As for people who think shanks isnt a swordman, should explain their own theory why he isnt a swordman anymore?
Its not like he ate a devilfruit, and haki can be imbued into swords.
Reason why im sure why hes a swordman.
1. Shanks flag contain sword
2. Shanks in one piece games, is a swordman
3. Shanks is Always seen with a sword
4. shanks clashed with WB with a sword
5. Shanks blocked magma fist, with a sword.
6. Shanks was mihawks former rival.
Last edited by DutchPhoenix; October 30, 2013 at 08:24 AM.
This debate is pointless. There are those that have decided that the title given to Mihawk is somehow the most meaningful thing to ever have been put forth, and apparently nothing is going t dissuade them from spurious conclusions. These claims obviously have to wilfully disregard his showings and how he has compared to others, WB captains in particular. This also requires some to ignore the greater context of the manga. Suffice it to say, Mihawk holds the title of the strongest swordsman, but from what we've seen, that title means very little when he hasn't put much behind it.
So in an all-out-fight(brawl) he will still loose? Why? Last time I READ the manga strongest swordsman =/= strongest person.Quote:
We haven't seen Shanks fight yet, just defend. SO if you base all his abilty based on that. Go ahead.
Don't see your point.Quote:
No you're wrong. That's no indications for him beating or being stronger than most of the yonkous. Zoro is aiming for the swordsman top, not the seat of the strongest person.Quote:
Well if Shanks only fights with swords.. which we don't know. We haven't seen him fight, only defend with his sword. Until I or we see him fight we can't make that conclusion.Quote:
I'm not denying he can fight with swords, but who says that's all he amounts to? Or that he hasn't eaten a fruit? Your just to hasty with your assumptions.Quote:
Whitebeard fought with his bisentō but he fought much without. So there isn't any room for fighters to be able to fight with a weapon and their body or ability (by your logic)? Like WB or Rayleigh?
1. Pirate flags, usually contain bones or swords. It's just a typical pirate flag. Which might give away that he fights with swords.. or sword or with more than just that perhaps?Quote:
2. Non-canon, next please.
3. WB is always seen with a bisentō, doesnt make him a pure spear/naginata fighter. No?
4. True, and whitebeard with a bisentō.
5. I guess it's a smarter choice than stopping it with a haki imbued fist?
6. Guess that makes him a very good swordsman.
To be honest, im astonished.. that people claim that Shanks is a pure swordsman after we've seen him so little. For example I don't think Roger only fought with a sword just because we've seen him with a sword. Same goes for WB, Rayleigh, Smoker etc etc
Last edited by ikuroi; October 30, 2013 at 01:13 PM.
Similar to the new one just popped up and joined BB crew, that jailer, anyway you misunderstood my post. It's the truth about the tittle which Zoro wants, but great people like Shanks doesnt give a damn about being one of the Yonkou, he only wants adventures, rums, ales etc....
Most tittles are given by people who admire strong fighters, nobody has any copy right owning them.
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I think both Roger and BB used hand guns somewhere (can't remember the chapter #)
From my point of view only, in term of pure sword skills then Mihawk >>> Shanks but when it comes to haki then it's the other way around, because I don't think Hawkeye could beat Shanks in general. If Mihawk is hyper strong then why did he join shichibukai? Truly a strong person don't work for any organization but himself. If Hawkeye >> all Yonkou in 1-1 battle then why the WG didn't ask him to erase all of them with some help from the admirals for cleaning up Yonkou's crew members and alliances?
Last edited by MBVC; October 30, 2013 at 03:46 PM.